From:	Manolis Skoulikas great_worm@*****.com
Subject:	A Van that is also a Boat that is also a Submarine...
Date:	Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:41:59 +0300

Alfredo B Alves wrote:
> But couldn't the other vehicle do the same?
>
> Yes, but not an enemy missile :P~
>

I think the ECCM test is made by the vehicle, not the missile.

> > In any case, you would get 3 successes an dthe other guy would get
> > 4,5.
> > Still no go IMO.
>
> On average yes, with a top of the line missile. That doesn't mean all
> hope is loss ... Missiles don't have karma pool ;) On average with one
> reroll, it goes from 3 vrs 4.5 to 5.5 vrs 4.5. :P~
>

I alwyas give the other guys rerolls equal to their professional rating.
So in a relatively competitive game, you stand tol lose your life or
alot of your day's rerolls! :)
I go for the rerolls all the time.:)

> Now, I'd say that the "average" missile will be Int 4 or 5. In which
> case, with ECM 4, you're on even ground with the missile.
>

To counter 1 or two successes (assuming Sig 4 or 5). Maybe it's not
worth the money.

> What you need to to beware of is the guided missile (as opposed to fir
> and forget). Those buggers, I believe, use the vehivles sensors instead
> of their own ... 18 dice? Ha! APC with milspec gear's probably got 12
> dice of sensors, 12 of ECCM to negate your ECM, and 13 dice to divide
> between sensors and ECCM. (Maybe 18 Sensor plus 19 ECCM? You might want
> to get a head start on kissing your ass goodbye ;) )
>

OK!Opposite to what people around here may think I am not that nasty!
Most of the time.... :)

> However, that's the MILITARY. You shouldn't be facing the military. Most
> likely, you'll be facing no worse than top of the line security grade
> forces (even if they call themselves a military). I can't think of many
> world powers from the Caribbean. ;)
>
Aztlan
Gunderson
Corp sponsored pirates
CAS/Ares covert ops

need I go on? :)

the wiz