From:	Ahuizotl cuellare@*******.net.mx
Subject:	tzitzimine
Date:	Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:26:28 -0500

> > NOOO where you get this idea from?
>
> Hey, I'm the one who parades around in the Pedantic
> Wo(Man) costume...;)

Ok I´m very impress.

>
> > Well, I've always wondered how one would pronounce
> "tzitzimine".
> >
> > TXe TXe mI(like MIstery) ne(like NEcklace)
>
> That's mystery, but anyway...:)

The sound of the mi si like the my in mystery :-P

> Unfortunately, that's still confusing. "Txe" is not
> really a common sound in English.
>
> Is it "tZEE" (soft t), "Tzee" (hard t), "zee" (silent
> t), or something else?

It´s a hard t with the zi part as sea (Ocean)

> > But let me check im not sure of the tzi part.
>
> Please do. :)

I hope this work :-)

> > > And I've just started wondering what, exactly,
> "tzitzimine" translates to in English.
> >
> > there is not translation as far as I know
> >
> > TZITZIMITL-"Demonic Night Creatures"
> >
> > Singular as tzitzimine. Supernatural beings
> collectively as four they lived in the night sky and
> were a threat to men during an eclipse(*36) and most
> nights in general. Myth has a legend that they were
> once stars and were cast out be become lords in the
> dark underworld. It was thought that the tzitzimitl
> were the creatures who would initiate the final
> destruction of the Mexica world and universe. Depicted
> in codex Magliabechiano, recto 76, as a skeleton with
> a rattlesnake for a penis and earrings of a human hand
> and necklace of human hearts and hands. The hair is
> unkempt and are generally considered female.
>
> Hang on - female skeletons with dicks? :)

a rattlesnake one but yes they have it.

> Do you mean the Tzitzimitl are considered female, or
> something else?

female in most of the cultures and androginus in some central states but
they give it other name. Some time ago there was the doudt because some
times the translations wasnt very accurate but most of the antropologies are
in the female version.
>
> Still leaves some questions, but yeah, it helped.

What questions do you have?

>
> Btw, as Al pointed out to me, that skeleton image is a
> shocker. :)

Its a horror isnt it?

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