| From: | NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com |
|---|---|
| Subject: | Atlantis |
| Date: | Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:53:13 -0500 |
Subject: RE: Atlantis
> > TXe TXe mI(like MIstery) ne(like NEcklace)
>
> That's mystery, but anyway...:)
(*K thwaps Doc' with a bloody corpse from the lair of Don Carnage!!! *)
> Unfortunately, that's still confusing. "Txe" is not
> really a common sound in English.
>
> Is it "tZEE" (soft t), "Tzee" (hard t), "zee" (silent
> t), or something else?
"Tzeh" actually would come a lot closer to an englishman's translation
"tzi" (short 'i')
"meh" (sort of like "may", the month of the calendar)
"nee" (long 'e').
> > But let me check im not sure of the tzi part.
> Please do. :)
Gotcha in 4 parts...
> > > And I've just started wondering what, exactly,
> "tzitzimine" translates to in English.
> >
> > there is not translation as far as I know
And you would be correct. It does not possess a singularly worded
translation.
> > TZITZIMITL-"Demonic Night Creatures"
> >
> > Singular as tzitzimine. Supernatural beings
> collectively as four they lived in the night sky and
> were a threat to men during an eclipse(*36) and most
> nights in general. Myth has a legend that they were
> once stars and were cast out be become lords in the
> dark underworld.
And you can probably see no fewer than three comparable myths found in
Indo-European backgrounds as well. Lucifer's being cast out of Heaven to
begin with. the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse (which actually derives
partially from the 4 Arch Angels, which in turn comes from other sources
such as the "4 Storms" in Asian developments). And I could go on and on and
on...
>It was thought that the tzitzimitl
> were the creatures who would initiate the final
> destruction of the Mexica world and universe. Depicted
> in codex Magliabechiano, recto 76, as a skeleton with
> a rattlesnake for a penis and earrings of a human hand
> and necklace of human hearts and hands. The hair is
> unkempt and are generally considered female.
>
> Hang on - female skeletons with dicks? :)
No, female in form and appearance only, not in process or function. And the
philosophical implications of the appearance go way beyond what Ahuizotl has
provided as well. And, just to help clarify further, the image might be
declared as feminine, but there are no mentions further of any procreative
powers possessed by them. They are in fact more along the lines of a
androgenous hermaphrodite, having in possession the mutated sexual organs of
both male and female beings.
> Do you mean the Tzitzimitl are considered female, or
> something else?
See above.
> > > Can anyone fill me in?
> >
> > did this help?
>
> Still leaves some questions, but yeah, it helped.
>
> Btw, as Al pointed out to me, that skeleton image is a
> shocker. :)
More than you could ever imagine. I've seen one artists renderings of them
when I lived in Arizona ... absolutely stunning work from the guy ... only
two things were wrong with them, neither of which did I understand at the
time. He had given them wings along the lines of a bat, when in fact the
representations of a wings I have since found afterwards is that any time
they appear with wings, they are vast like the eagle's but black like the
crows/ravens. Most of the time, they are in some kind of sarape'/scarf that
seems to come from a darkness unknown.
The other thing was, he did them on black velvet ...... (shudders)
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