From:	Philip Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject:	The ED/SR Connection
Date:	Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:02:14 +0100

on 20/6/00 10:42 pm, Yiannakos at yiannako@*******.edu wrote:

> Phil Smith wrote:
>
>> Acording to ED there are legends which state that Elves, Dwarfs, Orks,
>> Trolls and Humans are based from the same species; just as in SR. The other
>> Name Giver races (Obsidimen T'scrang and Windlings) are all just smart
>> critters, so they will just appear when magic levels get high enough. It is
>> a bit of an assumption to say that they would all speak Dwarven and Windling
>> but not a huge leap of imagination.
>
> I guess what I'm saying is that elves and dwarves were not born knowing
> Sperethiel and Throalic (I don't think,) and Orks and Trolls didn't
> suddenly learn their respective 4th world languages when they
> goblinized, so why would sprites/windlings know anything other than the
> language they knew previous to awakening (or their parents'
> language(s))? If the sprites we're seeing in Europe are in fact
> windlings that have been in hibernation/stasis since the 4th world, than
> of course they would only speak windling and Throalic, but I don't see
> that as being the case.
>

I think we're argueing the case for the same point here, as I see it
Sperithiel just appeared in the awakening (having found no information
contrary to this, this is what I think happened). So when Windlings come
out of hybernation they will speak the languages they spoke before; that was
my original statement.

>>>> Obsidimen are just dull and I'm glad that SR does not have them.
>>>
>>> Why do you feel this way? (just curious. reply off-list if you prefer.)
>>
>> Personal preferance; I like to play smart, stylish and ultimatly weedy
>> characters and big lumps of rock don't seem to lend themselves to that
>> image.
>
> I disagree, but this isn't the place to argue about it. I'll just let it
> go. :-)

You disagree on the kind of characters I like to play? no offence but I
think I would be the better judge out of the two of us :)>

> I do agree, however that as much as I do like Obsidimen, I don't think
> they'd fit into Shadowrun very well. Maybe if they were really, really
> rare... (as in not PCs, you maybe find a handful guarding Dunk's lair in
> Germany or something like that.) 'Course I wish we saw trolls only that
> often or less...
>

I would stretch the same to T'scarng as well; they just don't fit into my
view of the SR world. I just don't like playing non-human based characters;
metahumans are essentially big/pointy-eared/short/tusked humans but
Obsidimen, T'scrang, Shapeshifters ect are just too big a roleplaying
challenge to try to cope with. Other people may find them fun and I wish
them luck, but I just don't like playing things I don't have much of a
comprehension of.

>> Phil
>
> Agree to disagree?

Sure, not entirely sure where we're disagreeing on but sure :)>

> ---Dave ('s not here man)

Phil