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Message no. 1
From: owl@********.COM
Subject: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 21:12:11 -0500
Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet?

We'll promote it to 50 search engines and indexes for $85
and complete the job in 2 business days. Satisfaction is
guaranteed!

If you have a great product, but are not getting many inquiries from
your Web site, you may not be adequately listed on the Web's search
engines and indexes.

Millions of viewers daily use these facilities to find the products
and services they are looking for. But if your site is not listed, no
one will see it.

Listings on most of these services are free. However, locating and
filling out the forms required to get a listing can take several days,
and most people just don't have the time to do it.

That is why we offer a web site promotion service.

WHAT'S THE DEAL?

We will submit your site to 50 indexes and search engines for $85. We
will accept the return of this E-mail, with the form below filled out,
as an order. We will bill you upon completion of the promotion. Our
terms are net 15 days from date of invoice. Satisfaction guaranteed!

HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE?

Generally, we complete the submissions within 48 hours of
receiving your order. It can take any individual search engine or
index up to three weeks to process your submission, although most are
much faster.

WHAT SEARCH ENGINES AND INDEXES ARE INCLUDED IN THE
PROMOTION?

The list changes from time to time. This is our current list:

Abaweb!, All Business Network, Alta Vista, Big Yellow, BizWeb, BizWiz,
Brian's Revised Internet Yellow Pages, Central Source Yellow Pages,
E!Net Galaxy, Enterpreneurs on the Web, Excite, Homecom's Global
Village, I-Network, I-Systems Spiral Business Directory, Infoseek,
Inktomi, Innovator's Network Yellow Pages, Internet Addressbook Yellow
Pages, Internet Mall, ISP Internet Yellow Pages, Jumpcity, Jumper Hot
Links, Linkmaster, Lycos, Magellan-McKinley Yellow Pages, NCSA What's
New, Net-Happenings, NetMall, New Virtual Yellow Pages, NTG's List,
OnLine's WWWeb Index, Open Market's Commercial Sites Index, Open Text
Web Index, Rex, Spider's Pick of the Day, Starting Point, The Source,
URL Tree, Web Central, Web Venture Hotlist, Webcrawler, Websurf, World
Wide Yellow Pages, Worldwide Announce Archive, WWW Business Yellow
Pages, WWW Worm, YelloWWWeb.


HOW WILL I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE PROMOTED MY SITE?

When we have completed the promotion, we will send you an HTML
file as an attachment to your E-mail bill. Save this file to your
disk, and view it through your Web browser. It provides links to the
search engine we submitted your site to, plus any comments we received
from them when we did it.

ARE THERE ANY GUARANTEES?

We do not require prepayment. Your satisfaction is guaranteed or
you don't pay the bill.

WHO IS OWL'S EYE PRODUCTIONS?

We are a web site promotion company located at:

Owl's Eye Productions, Inc.
260 E. Main Street
Brewster, NY 10509
Phone: (914) 278-4933
Fax: (914) 278-4507
Email: owl@********.com


HOW DO I ORDER?

The easiest way to order is by e-mail. Just hit the REPLY button on
your e-mail program and fill out the following information. (This
information will be posted to the search engines/indexes):

Your name:
Company Name:
Address:
City: State/Prov: Zip/Postal Code:
Telephone:
Fax:
Email address:
URL: http://
Site Title:
Description (about 25 words):
Key words, separated by spaces:

If billing a different address, please complete the following:

Addressee:
Company Name:
Address:
City: State/Prov: Zip/Postal Code:
Telephone:
Fax:
Email address:

We will bill via Email. (6N27)

Terms: By returning this document via Email, you agree as follows:
You have the authority to purchase this service on behalf of your
company. Terms are net 15 days. Accounts sent to collections will
be liable for collection costs. You agree to protect and indemnify
Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. in any claim for libel, copyright
violations, plagiarism, or privacy and other suits or claims based on
the content or subject matter of your site.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

When we receive your order, we will input the information into
our system, and send you a proof.

After we process any corrections, we will run your promotion, capturing
any comments from search engines as we go. We will incorporate these
into an HTML-formatted report to you, which we will attach to
your bill.
===Web Promotions=====Press Releases=====Link Exchanges=========
Owl's Eye Productions, Inc.
260 E. Main Street
Brewster, NY 10509
Ph: 914-278-4933 Fx: 914-278-4507 E-mail: owlseye@********.com
Message no. 2
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 21:47:00 -0500
Ummm, what the HELL was that SPAM?

Bull
Message no. 3
From: Richard Jury <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 19:42:24 -0700
At 21:12 11/29/96 -0500, you wrote:
> Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet?

<Snipped tons of ad spam>

Does this list have the same advertising policy as ShadowRN? Owl, you may
have yourself a court date in the near future.

Fro
Message no. 4
From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 16:43:06 +1100
Who's putting ads on the NERPS list?

Shaman
Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 12:36:57 +0100
owl@********.com said on 21:12/29 Nov 96...

> Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet?
>
> We'll promote it to 50 search engines and indexes for $85
> and complete the job in 2 business days. Satisfaction is
> guaranteed!

I think Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. placed an advertisement...

[Quote from the NERPS mailing list FAQ, part B:]

2. Mailing List Advertising Policy

This policy is intended to fight mailing-list "spamming."

The Shadowrun mailing lists accept commercial advertising for payment. We
offer a fee waiver if you can show us the cancelled check for a $1,000
(U.S.) or more donation to the Electronic Frontier Foundation. One donation
per advertisement, please. If you don't wish to donate, simply post your
advertisement to the list, and the operator of the mailing lists will bill
$1,999 (U.S). The list operator will donate this amount, minus the expense
of collecting it, to EFF. Please note that the lists are distributed
automatically -- messages are generally not read or checked in any way
before they are distributed.

By the act of posting your advertisement you agree to accept responsibility
for the fee, you agree to indemnify the mailing-list operator against any
legal claims from you or others in connection with your advertisement, and
you agree to pay any legal and business expenses incurred in collecting
late payment. Our liability to you is limited to a good-faith effort to
deliver your message.

Reduced rates and/or waiver of fee are available for Shadowrun-related and
selected other topics of advertisements. You must consult the mailing-list
operator in advance of posting for any reduction or fee waiver.

[end quote]


Richard Jury said on 19:42/29 Nov 96...

> <Snipped tons of ad spam>
>
> Does this list have the same advertising policy as ShadowRN? Owl, you
> may have yourself a court date in the near future.

Yes, it does, as you can see above. I'm wonderwing now if we can and/or
should try and take steps against them, because I don't really like seeing
these kinds of ads...

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
And so am I.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 6
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:10:08 -0700
Gurth wrote:
|
|Richard Jury said on 19:42/29 Nov 96...
|
|> <Snipped tons of ad spam>
|>
|> Does this list have the same advertising policy as ShadowRN? Owl, you
|> may have yourself a court date in the near future.
|
|Yes, it does, as you can see above. I'm wonderwing now if we can and/or
|should try and take steps against them, because I don't really like seeing
|these kinds of ads...

I think we should. Anyone out there a lawyer in RL?

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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Message no. 7
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:13:45 -0500
>Yes, it does, as you can see above. I'm wonderwing now if we can and/or
>should try and take steps against them, because I don't really like seeing
>these kinds of ads...
>
If at all possible and it has a resonable chance of success.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

If you have to ask then it's probably classified.
Which means that I have to follow protocol.
But if you ask nicely I might forget that you asked.
Then again maybe not.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Document Classified
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Message no. 8
From: Wes Nicholson <wes@********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:51:23 +1100
>
>Richard Jury said on 19:42/29 Nov 96...
>
>> <Snipped tons of ad spam>
>>
>> Does this list have the same advertising policy as ShadowRN? Owl, you
>> may have yourself a court date in the near future.
>
>Yes, it does, as you can see above. I'm wonderwing now if we can and/or
>should try and take steps against them, because I don't really like seeing
>these kinds of ads...
>
>--
>Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
> And so am I.
> -> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
>-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-
>
Go get 'em, Gurth! I'm with you


Wes
Message no. 9
From: "Paolo Falco, Explorer" <Falco@****.IT>
Subject: Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:29:29 +0000
2 Dec 96, 19:51, on the downward time curve to Armageddon, Wes
Nicholson said:

> >> <Snipped tons of ad spam>
> >>
> >> Does this list have the same advertising policy as ShadowRN?
> >> Owl, you may have yourself a court date in the near future.
> >
> >Yes, it does, as you can see above. I'm wonderwing now if we can
> >and/or should try and take steps against them, because I don't
> >really like seeing these kinds of ads...

> Go get 'em, Gurth! I'm with you

What about staring to send him TONS of mail? If he isn't writing from
an anon account, let's send him multiple copies of our windows swap
files! :)

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Message no. 10
From: owl@********.COM
Subject: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:18:35 -0400
Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet?

We'll promote it to 50 search engines and indexes for $85
and complete the job in 2 business days. Satisfaction is
guaranteed!

If you have a great product, but are not getting many inquiries from
your Web site, you may not be adequately listed on the Web's search
engines and indexes.

Millions of viewers daily use these facilities to find the products
and services they are looking for. But if your site is not listed, no
one will see it.

Listings on most of these services are free. However, locating and
filling out the forms required to get a listing can take several days,
and most people just don't have the time to do it.

That is why we offer a web site promotion service.

WHAT'S THE DEAL?

We will submit your site to 50 indexes and search engines for $85. We
will accept the return of this E-mail, with the form below filled out,
as an order. We will bill you upon completion of the promotion. Our
terms are net 15 days from date of invoice. Satisfaction guaranteed!

HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE?

Generally, we complete the submissions within 48 hours of
receiving your order. It can take any individual search engine or
index up to three weeks to process your submission, although most are
much faster.

WHAT SEARCH ENGINES AND INDEXES ARE INCLUDED IN THE
PROMOTION?

The list changes from time to time. This is our current list:

Abaweb!, Alta Vista, Been There, BizWeb, Central Source Yellow Pages,
Enterpreneurs on the Web, Excite, Four11, Galaxy, I-Network I-Systems
Spiral Business Directory, I-World Web Pointer, Infoseek, Inktomi,
Innovator's Network Yellow Pages, Internet Mall, Jayde Online Directory,
Jumpcity, Jumper Hot Links, Linkmaster, Lycos, Magellan, Mega Mall,
Net-Happenings, Net Navigator, Net Mall, NTG's List, NYNEX Big Yellow,
One World Plaza, OnLine's WWWeb Index, Rex, Starting Point, Truenorth,
URL Tree, Virtual Lynx, Web Point, WebCentral, Web Venture Hotlist,
Webcrawler, Websurf, Win Mag/NetGuide Hotspots, WhatUSeek, Worldwide
Announce Archive, WWW Business Yellow Pages, World Wide Yellow Pages,
WWW Worm, YelloWWWeb.


HOW WILL I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE PROMOTED MY SITE?

When we have completed the promotion, we will send you an HTML
file as an attachment to your E-mail bill. Save this file to your
disk, and view it through your Web browser. It provides links to the
search engine we submitted your site to, plus any comments we received
from them when we did it.

ARE THERE ANY GUARANTEES?

We do not require prepayment. Your satisfaction is guaranteed or
you don't pay the bill.

WHO IS OWL'S EYE PRODUCTIONS?

We are a web site promotion company located at:

Owl's Eye Productions, Inc.
260 E. Main Street
Brewster, NY 10509
Phone: (914) 278-4933
Fax: (914) 278-4507
Email: owl@********.com


HOW DO I ORDER?

The easiest way to order is by e-mail. Just hit the REPLY button on
your e-mail program and fill out the following information. (This
information will be posted to the search engines/indexes):

Your name:
Company Name:
Address:
City: State/Prov: Zip/Postal Code:
Telephone:
Fax:
Email address:
URL: http://
Site Title:
Description (about 25 words):
Key words (maximum of 25, in descending order of importance):

Proofs (Where shall we e-mail proofs):

If billing a different address, please complete the following:

Addressee:
Company Name:
Address:
City: State/Prov: Zip/Postal Code:
Telephone:
Fax:
Email address:

We will bill via Email. (7421)

Terms: By returning this document via Email, you agree as follows:
You have the authority to purchase this service on behalf of your
company. Terms are net 15 days. Accounts sent to collections will
be liable for collection costs. You agree to protect and indemnify
Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. in any claim for libel, copyright
violations, plagiarism, or privacy and other suits or claims based on
the content or subject matter of your site.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

When we receive your order, we will input the information into
our system, and send you a proof.

After we process any corrections, we will run your promotion, capturing
any comments from search engines as we go. We will incorporate these
into an HTML-formatted report to you, which we will attach to
your bill.
===Web Promotions=====Press Releases=====Link Exchanges=========
Owl's Eye Productions, Inc.
260 E. Main Street
Brewster, NY 10509
Ph: 914-278-4933 Fx: 914-278-4507 E-mail: owlseye@********.com

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