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Message no. 1
From: Doctor Doom <JCH8169@***.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Techno-Shamans = CyberPsi?
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 18:26:12 -0500
From a message so far back, that I cannot remember the author ... also, because
of accidental deletion of the original:

> Folks, we got beat out. I think that FASA's stealing our ideas.

> Denver sourcebook has some nasty stuff. Techno-shamans. Sounds
>like CyberPsi to me. It even includes, from a 2 page section in the player's
>book, the WorldMind. Now, I'm beginning to think that we're going to have
>to do some major coordination.


Not true. At the very first mention of the phrase "techno-shaman" juxtaposed
to references to upcoming FASA material I immediately sought an telephonic
audience with the Dark Lord entreating him to explain this apparent violation
of a central Commandment of ShadowRun, which has heretofore been observed and
kept most holy, /id est/:

"Thou shalt not mix thy Magic and the Matrix."

What he then began to elucidate upon was that a (seemingly) radical new
approach to technomancing ... it should be pointed out that the following
(admittedly sketchy) explanation is only apparent to readers of the pertinent
regulations in upcoming products, it shall remain a mystery to the actual
inhabitants of the ShadowRun milieu for some time to come.

On the face of it, the anecdote and testimony appear at once fantastic,
disquieting, and awe-inspiring:

Magic, never before possible in Virtual Reality, actually being wielded
effectively by technomancers?

Spirits of computer systems?

A Worldmind phenomena similar to the metaphysical Astral Plane?

Is it actually possible?

NO.

According to my notes from the conversation, the process involves (roughly
speaking, it is probable that he did not relate the entire procedure) an
ASIST rig with an incredibly high-end Reality Filter which permits a manner
of interaction betwixt the technomancer's mind and the Matrix on a level
heretofore unachieved.

In fact, this Reality Filter is such a quantum leap (or so it appeared from the
description) in sophistication, that the Virtual Reality is so compelling a
depiction that practitioners of this new method of technomancing are convinced
they have bridged the gap betwixt Metaphysics and Technology.

THIS IS NOT TRUE.

The /brute fact/ of the matter is that it does NOT constitute Magic within the
Matrix, despite deceptive appearances. It is a technologically-based system,
and as such, no non-technological constructs may come of it, despite how
convincing the resulting Virtual illusions are.

However, this achievement must be muted with the implication by the Dark Lord
that the net effect, the final result of this so-called "decking without a
deck" may be of the equivalent, if slightly more flashy, potency.

I reiterate at this juncture is that this fact is only to the Game Master and
players who read the rules; the differentiation is NOT clear to the
inhabitants of the ShadowRun milieu.

Consequently, while these avant guarde (and gravely deceived) technomancers
shall proudly proclaim they have succeeded in the marriage of Magic and Matrix,
scientists and metaphysicists will vehemently and indignantly claim that Magic
may not function in conjunction with the Matrix, as it is neither alive or even
real.



Colonel Count von Hohenzollern und von Doom, DMSc, DSc, PhD.

Doom Technologies & Weapon Systems -- Dark Thought Publications
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Message no. 2
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@***.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Techno-Shamans = CyberPsi?
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:50:47 -0500
(I was the original author of that post, BTW.)

Well, that's one problem solved. Makes sense, at least sortof.
Everyone just THINKS it's magic

Well, there's still a problem with that. We know that Earthdawn and
SR are the same, right? Well, part of Earthdawn is that everyone's
perceptions become reality.

In other words, there is a chance that magic in the matrix WILL happen
in SR now.

Scary thought. And definitely not one to share with the players.

Tim Skirvin | "They didn't die for nothing, they died to bring
tskirvin@***.uiuc.edu| us Pepsi!" -- Mr Sutton on "Glory"
Message no. 3
From: Doctor Doom <jch8169@*******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Techno-Shamans = CyberPsi?
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 13:59:52 -0500
Von Herrn Skirvin:

> (I was the original author of that post, BTW.)

My apologies. As I stated previously, it was accidentally deleted

> Well, that's one problem solved. Makes sense, at least sortof.
>Everyone just THINKS it's magic

Not everyone. The practitioners claim as such ... some may do so with
conviction, others maybe less so. The magical theoreticians as well as
computer shall vehemently deny any such assertions. There shall be
widely and violently conflicting beliefs.

Further than that, merely because there is some confusion, or at least
conflicting viewpoints on the issue does not indicate that this phenomena
is generally accepted as metaphysical manipulation on the 'net.
Eventually someone shall lay the truth bare. When this occurs, a large
section of the believing populace shall drop by the wayside.


> Well, there's still a problem with that. We know that Earthdawn and
>SR are the same, right? Well, part of Earthdawn is that everyone's
>perceptions become reality.

> In other words, there is a chance that magic in the matrix WILL happen
>in SR now.

Once again, incorrect. Perceptions, when it comes to metaphysics, do
/affect/ and can /mold/ reality, especially in the far more mana-rich
environment of Earthdawn; however, there are limits to what belief has
demonstrated capable of altering ... the infusion of metaphysical
energies in to the equation merely widens the realms of possibility, it
does not make the patently impossible true.

As the Dark Lord on High stated at the time, as per my notes, until a
virtual quantum leap in biotechnology is achieved, until there are
genuine organic circuits and computer networks are legitimately living
constructs, there shall be NO magic within the Matrix.


Colonel Count von Hohenzollern und von Doom, DMSc, DSc, PhD.

Doom Technologies & Weapon Systems -- Dark Thought Publications
>>> Working on solutions best left in the dark.
<<<
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Message no. 4
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Techno-Shamans = CyberPsi?
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 16:40:54 -0700
> Tim Skirvin >tskirvin@***.uiuc.edu
> Well, that's one problem solved. Makes sense, at least sortof.
>Everyone just THINKS it's magic

I agree - it does make sense. Magic and Matrix don't mix.

> Well, there's still a problem with that. We know that Earthdawn and
>SR are the same, right? Well, part of Earthdawn is that everyone's
>perceptions become reality.

Sounds a lot like Mage: The Ascension.

> In other words, there is a chance that magic in the matrix WILL happen
>in SR now.

not for a while atleast, and still I doubt it, unless FASA goes the way of
describing tech as being Magic with rules that mundanes can understand like
White Wolf did in MAGE.

Nightfox

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Message no. 5
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@***.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Techno-Shamans = CyberPsi?
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 00:05:36 -0500
> My apologies. As I stated previously, it was accidentally deleted

Don't worry about it. I only mentioned it for posterity (?)

> Once again, incorrect. Perceptions, when it comes to metaphysics,
> do

That there's a CHANCE? No, I'm not wrong on that.

Still, I can't see our DLoH doing it...

> energies in to the equation merely widens the realms of
> possibility, it does not make the patently impossible true.

Not yet. Not necessarily.

(I'm actually becoming more and more in favor of the "Mage the
Ascension" theory, where magic was CAUSED by popular opinion. Biggest trigger
was the Great Ghost Dance. Then again, who knows...)

Tim Skirvin | "They didn't die for nothing, they died to bring
tskirvin@***.uiuc.edu| us Pepsi!" -- Mr Sutton on "Glory"

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