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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 15:40:04 -0600
After giving some thought on the best way to approach editing this
monstrosity (over 600k of raw data!), I'm going to be doing something
that some might not like.

I think I'l going to edit it in MicroSoft Word for Macintosh. This will
give me a much better ability to do good formatting, and also do Fonting
and other things that simply cannot be accomplished with the limitations.

Now, I know that some people cannot use MS Word formats (they can pretty
easily be converted from Mac to DOS/Windoze), but that is much easier
that using something like TeX or WordPerfect for Dos.

Also, I believe that the the document can also be converted from W4Mac to
PostScript, which will make it pretty universal in terms of useability.

Comments appreciated.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
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Message no. 2
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 14:49:07 -0700
yes
I don't have a computer!!!!!!!!!!!

I would appreciate just a nice simple .txt file that I could send to the
printers late one night a come in the next day to find a worker who fainted upon
seeing the amount of paper used.



BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!
Daniel Waisley + SCA - March of Ered Sul - Flagstaff AZ
DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU + Nau fencing club.
"Nightfox" + Brotherhood of the Cryptic Demesne -household
BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!
GE - d+(-) -p+@ c++(++++) !L u(--) e+(*) m+ s+/ !n+(-) h* f+ g+ w+++ t+ r+ y+
"infinity = zero" - Daniel Waisley "Nightfox"
BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!
Message no. 3
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 16:18:49 -0600
On Sun, 12 Dec 1993, Nightfox wrote:

> yes
> I don't have a computer!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I would appreciate just a nice simple .txt file that I could send to the
> printers late one night a come in the next day to find a worker who fainted upon
> seeing the amount of paper used.

Here's the problem, with Text, you are limited to about 65-70 columns of
text (to allow for binding). You cannot underline or bold or ANYTHING. It
is A LOT of work to do ASCII formatting, espicially since most of the
submissions were formatted for 80 columns.

By doing it in W4Mac, I can make it look spiffy. Add fonts, underlying,
bolding, etc.

Most places have Word-for-{platform} available and will be able to print
it without any problems. MacWrite, Wordperfect for DOS/Windoze I know
will import the files.

Also, I can then dump it to PostScript, which is universally compatible
with pretty much every system out there. Hell, if you don't have
PostScript available, you can get GhostScript, which is GNU software, and
convert the postscript to a file that can be printed on ANY printer, and
includes Fonting and other formatting stuff.

PostScript is the best way to distribute this to everyone because it is
not bound by the limitations of ASCII, nor is it platform dependent.
I'll be using Word simply because it is an easy program to format in.

As for Nightfox's probem, you will still be able to print this. If you
don't have Word, you can check to see if you can use the postscript
file. If not, you can FTP Ghostscript, which I know is available for
Unix and Mac, and also probably DOS, which will give you a file that can
be printed to any printer.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
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Message no. 4
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 15:28:37 -0700
>Here's the problem, with Text, you are limited to about 65-70 columns of
>text (to allow for binding). You cannot underline or bold or ANYTHING. It
>is A LOT of work to do ASCII formatting, espicially since most of the
>submissions were formatted for 80 columns.

Binding what binding? I'll probably just leave all the computer papers
connected like I did with NAGEE 1-4


>Also, I can then dump it to PostScript, which is universally compatible
>with pretty much every system out there. Hell, if you don't have
>PostScript available, you can get GhostScript, which is GNU software, and
>convert the postscript to a file that can be printed on ANY printer, and
>includes Fonting and other formatting stuff.

JUST WHAT IS POSTSCRIPT!!!!!

>
>PostScript is the best way to distribute this to everyone because it is
>not bound by the limitations of ASCII, nor is it platform dependent.
>I'll be using Word simply because it is an easy program to format in.
>
>As for Nightfox's probem, you will still be able to print this. If you
>don't have Word, you can check to see if you can use the postscript
>file. If not, you can FTP Ghostscript, which I know is available for
>Unix and Mac, and also probably DOS, which will give you a file that can
>be printed to any printer.

And for those of us on a VAX?!?!?!?!
Message no. 5
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 16:41:46 -0600
On Sun, 12 Dec 1993, Nightfox wrote:

> Binding what binding? I'll probably just leave all the computer papers
> connected like I did with NAGEE 1-4

Yes, but, it is considered 'good form' to allow .75 inch for persons to
bind it. With .25 inch on the other side, suddenly we are at 70
columns. Furthermore, ASCII doesn't like formatting page-breaks and stuff.

> JUST WHAT IS POSTSCRIPT!!!!!

It's a printing language. It takes and turns text and pictures and
everything into a series of simple commands that is then recognized by
various printers or programs. Ghostscript recognizes the commands and
turns them into a series of universal commands for dot-matrix printers.

> And for those of us on a VAX?!?!?!?!

I don't know if GhostScript is available for VAX (maybe). It also won't
work on standard line/chain printers, only on Laser's and Dot-matrix
printers. If your school has Mac's available, I'm sure that I can make
the Rich-Text format (sort of a postscript wannabe) available as well.
Once you get it to a mac, you'll be able to print it.

Yes, I know this crimps a lot of people, but for me to edit up an ASCII
file will take MANY more hours of time and headaches and will result in a
document that looks pretty shitty, in general.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
\ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
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Message no. 6
From: Neal A Porter <nap@*****.PHYSICS.SWIN.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 12:26:35 +1100
>I don't know if GhostScript is available for VAX (maybe). It also won't
>work on standard line/chain printers, only on Laser's and Dot-matrix
>printers. If your school has Mac's available, I'm sure that I can make
>the Rich-Text format (sort of a postscript wannabe) available as well.
>Once you get it to a mac, you'll be able to print it.
>
>Yes, I know this crimps a lot of people, but for me to edit up an ASCII
>file will take MANY more hours of time and headaches and will result in a
>document that looks pretty shitty, in general.
>
>____ Robert A. Hayden


Please, Please, grovel, grovel, crawl, crawl...... etc When you make
the Nerps available could you include a Rich Text format as well.
My department doesn't have access to a postscript printer, and the
conversion software takes up a major slice of processing.

Adeus.
Message no. 7
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 19:32:14 -0600
On Mon, 13 Dec 1993, Neal A Porter wrote:

> Please, Please, grovel, grovel, crawl, crawl...... etc When you make
> the Nerps available could you include a Rich Text format as well.
> My department doesn't have access to a postscript printer, and the
> conversion software takes up a major slice of processing.

Ok, unless I dont' knwo what I am talking about, I will make the
following formats available:
MS Word
PostScript
Rich Text Format

I will also have MS Word dump the file to ASCII, but I'm not going to do
any editing on it and in general it will look pretty crappy, but it will
also be available.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
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Message no. 8
From: Loki <jek5313@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 23:30:23 -0600
Hate to be a bastard, but your proposal for formatting sounds incredibly like
my idea that you rejected out of hand. Coincidence?



Dark Thought Publications & Doom Technologies, Inc.
>>> Working on solutions best left in the dark.
Message no. 9
From: Loki <jek5313@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 23:32:15 -0600
>From Word he can format the hell out of the thing, then dump it to RTF, text,
or Postscript, such as he likes, so that everyone can have a copy they can play
with. Happy trails. . .



Dark Thought Publications & Doom Technologies, Inc.
>>> Working on solutions best left in the dark.
Message no. 10
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 23:39:04 -0600
On Sun, 12 Dec 1993, Loki wrote:

> Hate to be a bastard, but your proposal for formatting sounds incredibly like
> my idea that you rejected out of hand. Coincidence?

Yes, I rejected your proposal to help out before. But that was before I
was doing this for a grade. Because this project now represets about 1/2
of 9 credits for this next quarter, it behooves me to do it well from the
start, instead of putzing around with intermediate steps.

I didn't mean to slight you, just that the situation changed.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
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Message no. 11
From: Paolo Marcucci <marcucci@***.TS.ASTRO.IT>
Subject: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 09:11:44 MET
>
> After giving some thought on the best way to approach editing this
> monstrosity (over 600k of raw data!), I'm going to be doing something
> that some might not like.
>
> I think I'l going to edit it in MicroSoft Word for Macintosh. This will
> give me a much better ability to do good formatting, and also do Fonting
> and other things that simply cannot be accomplished with the limitations.
>
> Now, I know that some people cannot use MS Word formats (they can pretty
> easily be converted from Mac to DOS/Windoze), but that is much easier
> that using something like TeX or WordPerfect for Dos.
>
> Also, I believe that the the document can also be converted from W4Mac to
> PostScript, which will make it pretty universal in terms of useability.
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
> ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
> \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
> \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle
> \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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> n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)
>
>
Ok. That's the way to go.

BTW, have someone used Hypercard to keep track of SR stuff ? (contacts,
NPCs, weapons...)

--
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marcucci@***.trieste.it Ph. +39-40-3199215 Fax: +39-40-309418
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Message no. 12
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@***.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 13:06:13 -0500
If you send me a copy (FTP would be best, but I can handle UUCP on
a friends' account if you warn me first) I can translate it to AmiPro for
Windows, which will translate layout, fonts where possible, and so forth
into an MS-Windows environment. Then it can be exported to Windows Write
(pretty much universal, every Windows user has it), MS-Word for Windows,
WordPerfect for Windows, WordPerfect for DOS (though it'll lose the
fonts), and more.
BTW, I have a lot of desktop publishing experience, so you can
trust me to do it up right...or at least as well as you did. =^>

"I may be as bad as the worst /--------------------\
but, thank God, | J.D. Falk |
I am as good as the best." | jdfalk@***.gwu.edu |
-Walt Whitman \--------------------/
Message no. 13
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@***.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Update on NERPS: ShadowLore
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 13:14:40 -0500
On Sun, 12 Dec 1993, Nightfox wrote:

[stuff deleted]
> JUST WHAT IS POSTSCRIPT!!!!!
PostScript is a virtually universal "language" which allows just
about any computer to send high-quality documents to laser printers and
such. Also, PostScript files can be saved to disk for later printing,
'porting to other computers for printing, and so forth.

[quote deleted]
> And for those of us on a VAX?!?!?!?!
Relax, chummer, all these problems can be solved. Our most
esteemed listowner, the great Robert A. Hayden, can assuredly send you a
badly-formatted ASCII version without any extra work.

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