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Message no. 1
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Vorlon
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 13:33:19 -0700
Just what did happen with Vorlon?

Nightfox
Missed all the excitement again

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Message no. 2
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vorlon
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 16:20:05 -0500
> Just what did happen with Vorlon?

Some people, general anti-internet people, decided that vorlon
was a "security risk", in the sense that it could run things that could
be really bad.

They proceeded to shut it down without letting FL get to the stuff
for several days. In other words, they confiscated his machine.

FL thinks it was illegal. Probably was. I think a lawsuit might
help with a precedent...

-------------Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@********.uni.uiuc.edu-------------
"He's NOT a gibbering idiot - he's cured of gibbering, he's just an
idiot now." -- Jane, "Waiting for God"
Message no. 3
From: the holy Entombed <rasputin@***.UMD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vorlon
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 02:05:48 -0400
On Sat, 3 Sep 1994, Tim Skirvin wrote:

> > Just what did happen with Vorlon?
>
>
> They proceeded to shut it down without letting FL get to the stuff
> for several days. In other words, they confiscated his machine.
>
> FL thinks it was illegal. Probably was. I think a lawsuit might
> help with a precedent...

Unfortunately, I don't think a lawsuit with a decent chance of winning
could ever be launched given what's known.

They told him it was a "security" matter. Even if someone ordered the
disconnection because he didn't appreciate the fact homosexual-topic lists
were being run from it (and, IMHO, that's exactly why), that someone
wasn't stupid enuff to make that known (like that high school principal
down south that tried to ban this past year's prom because he wanted to
try to stamp out "interracial couples" from attending).

The school, as most, if not all do, has the right to do what they want
with their ports. If they want you off, and they haven't shown extreme
prejudice or bigotry in their position, then you're SOL. FL was
successfully shafted by someone, but seems to be getting back on top, if
not higher.

Bet that "someone" isn't exactly laughing anymore...


--the holy Entombed--
rasputin@***.umd.edu
Rasputin the Doom-ed Out

PS- (non-SR) I have a Compaq Presario 800 CDS with an internal 14.4/14.4
modem, but I can't seem to hit on the right initialization string to play
Doom over a modem serial link. Can anyone help? The code for a generic
14.4 doesn't work, and the manual doesn't list a manufacturer. Thanks in
advance...
Message no. 4
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vorlon
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 13:55:00 -0500
On Sun, 4 Sep 1994, the holy Entombed wrote:

> The school, as most, if not all do, has the right to do what they want
> with their ports. If they want you off, and they haven't shown extreme
> prejudice or bigotry in their position, then you're SOL. FL was
> successfully shafted by someone, but seems to be getting back on top, if
> not higher.

As I understand, this is only partially correct. The school is providing
a service to its customers (the students) and is an agent of the State
(Minnesota). Therefore, arbitrary restrictions on resources can violate
the student<->university "contract" that is in force for admitted
students (there is a supreme court case about this). In addition, the
mission statement of the university requires equal and maximal access to
ALL students.

Unfortunately, I lack the FUNDS to institute a court case.

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Message no. 5
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vorlon
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 17:23:11 -0500
> Unfortunately, I lack the FUNDS to institute a court case.

As I said, maybe we should try to get a good precedent out of this
one. There have to be some organizations to help fund this if need be...

-------------Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@********.uni.uiuc.edu-------------
"He's NOT a gibbering idiot - he's cured of gibbering, he's just an
idiot now." -- Jane, "Waiting for God"
Message no. 6
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: Vorlon
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 19:01:23 -0400
On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, Tim Skirvin wrote:

> > Unfortunately, I lack the FUNDS to institute a court case.
>
> As I said, maybe we should try to get a good precedent out of this
> one. There have to be some organizations to help fund this if need be...
>
Check out the Electronic Frontier Foundation...they already do
things like this.
Message no. 7
From: John Moeller <John.Moeller@*.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vorlon
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 23:18:00 -0600
On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, Tim Skirvin wrote:
> As I said, maybe we should try to get a good precedent out of this
> one. There have to be some organizations to help fund this if need be...

Doesn't the EFF do that kind of thing?

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Message no. 8
From: Doctor Doom <jch8169@*******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vorlon
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 01:46:36 -0500
Von dem disenfranchised Fearless Leader (who formerly said, "Ni!"):

> Unfortunately, I lack the FUNDS to institute a court case.

Aye, there's the rub.

". . . with liberty and justice for all (who possess the funds to pursue it)"

Still and even so, even were you to have contemporary access to such
resources as such an endeavor would dictate, there is the temporal element
of the American judiciary to consider: In all probability, were you to
engage in such an enterprise, it would prove to be of such prodigious
duration that you probably have would have long since gradated by the
time in which judgment was delivered. The regrettable consequence being
that it would be of little service to you personally ... tho' there is the
principle to consider.


Colonel Count von Hohenzollern und von Doom, DMSc, DSc, PhD.

Doom Technologies & Weapon Systems -- Dark Thought Publications
>>> Working on solutions best left in the dark.
<<<
[ Doctor Doom : jch8169@*******.tamu.edu ]
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"Wounds inflicted by the sword heal more easily than those inflicted by the
tongue."
-- Cardinal Richelieu

Message no. 9
From: the holy Entombed <rasputin@***.UMD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vorlon
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:38:35 -0400
On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Doctor Doom wrote:

> [...] In all probability, were you to
> engage in such an enterprise, it would prove to be of such prodigious
> duration that you probably have would have long since gradated by the
> time in which judgment was delivered. The regrettable consequence being
> that it would be of little service to you personally ... tho' there is the
> principle to consider.

You bet. Consider it, and it will only take a few seconds.

You're right, they're wrong.

The only satisfaction that counts is that which you count yourself.
You don't need two or three years and a chance that a guy in a black robe
will make all the thousands you spent worth it in telling you what you
already know. One
way or another, you'll be back on top. It may be a different hill, but
you'll be king again.

--E--
the
holy Looking for boards with DOOM stuff! (WADs, patches, etc...)
Entombed >>> rasputin@***.umd.edu <<<
Message no. 10
From: Jay Baxter <jbaxter@***.ECE.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Vorlon
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:13:53 -0500
(clap clap clap)

here here.

i am in complete agreement with the holy Entombed. let it go. you're
in the right, they're most likely in the wrong. but you have to
measure it by the amount of "good" that will be done by the time all
this is over. if you get involved in a draw-out legal battle, that's
hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars you won't have to spend
running a new list or furthering your political views, or playing
shadowrun, or just sleeping in late.

fight the BIG battles. leave the small one for experience.

-jay

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