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Message no. 1
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 20:08:45 -0500
[Posted to both ShadowRN and NERPS, but I'd like to keep the discussion
on the NERPS list so we don't bother anybody who isn't interested.]

It looks like a NERPS project relating to Dragons would be quite
popular, either as a collection of legends, info, etc. or as an all-out
campaign.
I'm worried, though -- it's clear that everybody would like to
/see/ this book, but who will /write/ it? This will be a lot of work, and
can't be done in the same type of relatively disorganized fashion as the
Shadowlore books -- everything has to be internally consistent.
So -- who out there can promise that, barring sudden death or
dismemberment, they absolutely /will/ write a sizable chunk of this book?

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Message no. 2
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 10:05:02 -0500
On Sun, 5 Mar 1995, Gurth wrote:

> >[Posted to both ShadowRN and NERPS, but I'd like to keep the discussion
> >on the NERPS list so we don't bother anybody who isn't interested.]
>
> Replied to JD Falk directly as I'm not on NERPS :)

Replying cc: NERPS (you know, you can always join for a few days,
Gurth. *grin*) so I'll leave all the original text in.

> > I'm worried, though -- it's clear that everybody would like to
> >/see/ this book, but who will /write/ it? This will be a lot of work, and
> >can't be done in the same type of relatively disorganized fashion as the
> >Shadowlore books -- everything has to be internally consistent.
>
> What you need is an editor who can _make_ the ramblings consistent. (I'm not
> really volunteering to do this, mind you, though I might if I have nothing
> better to do :) In that way, lots of people can write bits on different
> dragons, and the editor should make it all fit together -- altering the text
> if necessary, especially if two (or more) things contradict...

Well, I think that's supposed to be my job...but if this is
anything like the Psionics write-up, we could argue about it for months
and only come up with about ten pages of stuff that everybody agrees on.
One interesting possibility is to /allow/ contradictions, and
include a forward to the effect of "This is all hear-say. Some of it may
well have been planted by members of the Dragon species themselves.
Much is correct -- but don't stake your life on it, chummer."
In this way, we could leave space for minor contradictions and
confusing elements, and even completely leave out things that should've
been written but weren't.

> > So -- who out there can promise that, barring sudden death or
> >dismemberment, they absolutely /will/ write a sizable chunk of this book?
>
> It would be good to practice my writing skills...

Cool. That's three....

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Message no. 3
From: The Wyrm Ouroboros <oroboros@******.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 13:57:43 -0800
> > > So -- who out there can promise that, barring sudden death or
> > >dismemberment, they absolutely /will/ write a sizable chunk of this book?
> >
> > It would be good to practice my writing skills...
>
> Cool. That's three....

Count me in as four.


--
Ouroboros
The (Dead) Wyrm of the .Net
Message no. 4
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:06:05 +0100
> > I have a strong suspicion that there's lots of info about dragons (and
> > elves) that FASA are keeping under their hats.
> [...]
>
> Someone (Dr. Doom I think) mentioned that Tom Dowd wrote an article in
> Dragon Magazine #199 about dragons in SR. I have not been able to get
> this particular issue to confirm or deny it. If it is in fact true, it
> would be a great place to start. We sould also take this thread (back?)
> to the Nerps list...

I still have a transcript some dude did back then, unfortunatelly its
just the stats and no plot *shrug* I'll post it tomorrow.

--
"Believe in Angels." -- The Crow

GCS d>- H s+: !g p? !au a- w+ v-(?) C+++ UA++S++L+>++++ P-- (aren't we all?)
L+>+++ 3 E--- N+ K W(+)(---) M-- !V(--) -po+(---) Y+ t++ 5+ !j(-) R+++(--)
!G tv(++) b++ D+ B- e+ u++(-) h*(+) f+ r- n!(----) y?
Message no. 5
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:28:18 +0100
> > It would be good to practice my writing skills...
>
> Cool. That's three....

I would like to be the fourth, but I have some reservations as I dont know
what my programm for the next couple o'months will look like.

--
"Believe in Angels." -- The Crow

GCS d>- H s+: !g p? !au a- w+ v-(?) C+++ UA++S++L+>++++ P-- (aren't we all?)
L+>+++ 3 E--- N+ K W(+)(---) M-- !V(--) -po+(---) Y+ t++ 5+ !j(-) R+++(--)
!G tv(++) b++ D+ B- e+ u++(-) h*(+) f+ r- n!(----) y?
Message no. 6
From: "Sean \"Epicanis\" Clark" <dubiousu@******.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:19:13 -0800
> It looks like a NERPS project relating to Dragons would be quite
> popular, either as a collection of legends, info, etc. or as an all-out
> campaign.
> I'm worried, though -- it's clear that everybody would like to
> /see/ this book, but who will /write/ it? This will be a lot of work, and
> can't be done in the same type of relatively disorganized fashion as the
> Shadowlore books -- everything has to be internally consistent.
> So -- who out there can promise that, barring sudden death or
> dismemberment, they absolutely /will/ write a sizable chunk of this book?
>
Depending on exactly what the final "aspect" of dragon lore the book
would be based on, I'd write some of it.
Message no. 7
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:51:37 -0600
On Sat, 4 Mar 1995, J.D. Falk wrote:

> It looks like a NERPS project relating to Dragons would be quite
> popular, either as a collection of legends, info, etc. or as an all-out
> campaign.
> I'm worried, though -- it's clear that everybody would like to
> /see/ this book, but who will /write/ it? This will be a lot of work, and
> can't be done in the same type of relatively disorganized fashion as the
> Shadowlore books -- everything has to be internally consistent.

I've been meaning to make this posting, but finals are this week, and I
was pretty much out of action last week with studying.

THINGS THAT SHOULD BE IN NERPS DRAGONLORE

Dragon Physiology. How do they fly? How do they breathe fire? Is it
natural or magic or both or neither.
Roundtable Discussion with Five CEO Wyrms
Dragons and the 'Net. Why are they so intrigued?
etc etc etc

The physiology aspect was once that might be interesting. There was a
book I read a long time ago that kind tried to explain it, and it sorta
made sense.
Dragons eat calcium (usually limestone or cattle)
Calcium, interacting with stomach acids creates hydrogen
Hydrogen is boyent, providing lift
Belching out hyrdrogen decreases lift
A bio-electrical gland in the mouth can ignite the
belched gas, thus breathing fire


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Message no. 8
From: "Sean \"Epicanis\" Clark" <dubiousu@******.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:46:50 -0800
On Sat, 11 Mar 1995, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> I've been meaning to make this posting, but finals are this week, and I
> was pretty much out of action last week with studying.
>
> THINGS THAT SHOULD BE IN NERPS DRAGONLORE
>
> Dragon Physiology. How do they fly? How do they breathe fire? Is it
> natural or magic or both or neither.
> Roundtable Discussion with Five CEO Wyrms
> Dragons and the 'Net. Why are they so intrigued?
> etc etc etc
>
> The physiology aspect was once that might be interesting. There was a
> book I read a long time ago that kind tried to explain it, and it sorta
> made sense.
> Dragons eat calcium (usually limestone or cattle)
> Calcium, interacting with stomach acids creates hydrogen
> Hydrogen is boyent, providing lift
> Belching out hyrdrogen decreases lift
> A bio-electrical gland in the mouth can ignite the
> belched gas, thus breathing fire
>
I vaguely remember that book, but don't remember which one it was...

Wouldn't a dragon look awfully bloated if it was pumped up with
hydrogen? And what happens when some clown gets his greasy cyber-palms
on some armor-piercing incendiary rounds? Although "A Dragon Named
Hindenburg" would make a good name for something...

I vote magic as the cause of most of the incredible abilities. AFter
all, if they were scientifically explainable with "normal" science,
dragons would have been flying around before the Awakening.

Perhaps dragons who do breathe fire (I seem to recall that not all of
them do) have some sort of innate magical/genetic "affinity" for certain
types of elemental fire magic (and perhaps should have bonuses in the
case of full mage-dragons.)

Besides, I thought a dragon ate (as the punchline goes) "Whatever it
wants"...
Message no. 9
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 19:57:37 +0100
> The physiology aspect was once that might be interesting. There was a
> book I read a long time ago that kind tried to explain it, and it sorta
> made sense.
> Dragons eat calcium (usually limestone or cattle)
> Calcium, interacting with stomach acids creates hydrogen
> Hydrogen is boyent, providing lift
> Belching out hyrdrogen decreases lift
> A bio-electrical gland in the mouth can ignite the
> belched gas, thus breathing fire

You mean "The Flight of Dragons" its a cartoon. Great moovie one
of the best I have ever seen, James Earls Jones "plays" in it he
does Omadawn the red wizard :) BTW I have it on tape, I could
make a transcript.

--
"Believe in Angels." -- The Crow

GCS d>- H s+: !g p? !au a- w+ v-(?) C+++ UA++S++L+>++++ P-- (aren't we all?)
L+>+++ 3 E--- N+ K W(+)(---) M-- !V(--) -po+(---) Y+ t++ 5+ !j(-) R+++(--)
!G tv(++) b++ D+ B- e+ u++(-) h*(+) f+ r- n!(----) y?
Message no. 10
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 13:14:11 -0600
On Sun, 12 Mar 1995, Jani Fikouras wrote:

> > The physiology aspect was once that might be interesting. There was a
> > book I read a long time ago that kind tried to explain it, and it sorta
> > made sense.
> > Dragons eat calcium (usually limestone or cattle)
> > Calcium, interacting with stomach acids creates hydrogen
> > Hydrogen is boyent, providing lift
> > Belching out hyrdrogen decreases lift
> > A bio-electrical gland in the mouth can ignite the
> > belched gas, thus breathing fire
>
> You mean "The Flight of Dragons" its a cartoon. Great moovie one
> of the best I have ever seen, James Earls Jones "plays" in it he
> does Omadawn the red wizard :) BTW I have it on tape, I could
> make a transcript.

Flight of Dragons, the cartoon movie, was a made-for-tv production based
on the children's book Flight of Dragons, and also on much on the adult
book _The Dragon and the George_, in which most of the more technical
aspects, and actually most of the plot was taken.

_The Dragon and the George_ was the book I was talking about.

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Message no. 11
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 13:18:20 -0600
On Sat, 11 Mar 1995, Sean "Epicanis" Clark wrote:

> I vaguely remember that book, but don't remember which one it was...

See previous message...

> Wouldn't a dragon look awfully bloated if it was pumped up with
> hydrogen? And what happens when some clown gets his greasy cyber-palms
> on some armor-piercing incendiary rounds? Although "A Dragon Named
> Hindenburg" would make a good name for something...

1) Every representation I've ever seen had dragons getting HUGE prior to
breathign fire or taking off (like they were taking a deep breath).

2) Human bazooka's are relatively recent evolutionary trait, and there
would have been no time for it to have been selected against.

> I vote magic as the cause of most of the incredible abilities. AFter
> all, if they were scientifically explainable with "normal" science,
> dragons would have been flying around before the Awakening.

Who says they wern't flying around? I have an innate problem with the
totally magic explaination. It just seems so artificial.

> Perhaps dragons who do breathe fire (I seem to recall that not all of
> them do) have some sort of innate magical/genetic "affinity" for certain
> types of elemental fire magic (and perhaps should have bonuses in the
> case of full mage-dragons.)

Thos dragon's that don't breathe fire don't have that bio-electricity
gland. Seems to work...

> Besides, I thought a dragon ate (as the punchline goes) "Whatever it
> wants"...

Of course, but it's calcium and other hydrogen-producing things that make
the fire...

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Message no. 12
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 20:41:45 +0100
> Flight of Dragons, the cartoon movie, was a made-for-tv production based
> on the children's book Flight of Dragons, and also on much on the adult
> book _The Dragon and the George_, in which most of the more technical
> aspects, and actually most of the plot was taken.
>
> _The Dragon and the George_ was the book I was talking about.

Yep, the thing is the book has nothing to do with the movie, except
for the characters names and stuff. I must say that I found the movie
much better - its like the fairytale to end all fairytales :)

--
"Believe in Angels." -- The Crow

GCS d>- H s+: !g p? !au a- w+ v-(?) C+++ UA++S++L+>++++ P-- (aren't we all?)
L+>+++ 3 E--- N+ K W(+)(---) M-- !V(--) -po+(---) Y+ t++ 5+ !j(-) R+++(--)
!G tv(++) b++ D+ B- e+ u++(-) h*(+) f+ r- n!(----) y?
Message no. 13
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 20:54:29 +0100
> 1) Every representation I've ever seen had dragons getting HUGE prior to
> breathign fire or taking off (like they were taking a deep breath).

I agree, it makes them look far more realistic.

> 2) Human bazooka's are relatively recent evolutionary trait, and there
> would have been no time for it to have been selected against.

:)

> Who says they wern't flying around? I have an innate problem with the
> totally magic explaination. It just seems so artificial.

I agree and for what its worth I too like the calcium-hydrogen
explanation very much. But how do you explain the flame projection, I
mean FASA clasifies it as the same ability elementals and many other
paranormal animal have...
As for dragons eating habits, I hate to be picky here, but hydrogen
comes actually from the stomach acids, so any "metal" containing
"chemical" (pardon my terminology) should do.

--
"Believe in Angels." -- The Crow

GCS d>- H s+: !g p? !au a- w+ v-(?) C+++ UA++S++L+>++++ P-- (aren't we all?)
L+>+++ 3 E--- N+ K W(+)(---) M-- !V(--) -po+(---) Y+ t++ 5+ !j(-) R+++(--)
!G tv(++) b++ D+ B- e+ u++(-) h*(+) f+ r- n!(----) y?
Message no. 14
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 08:43:00 -0600
On Sun, 12 Mar 1995, Jani Fikouras wrote:

> I agree and for what its worth I too like the calcium-hydrogen
> explanation very much. But how do you explain the flame projection, I
> mean FASA clasifies it as the same ability elementals and many other
> paranormal animal have...

Uh . . how about . . . FASA's WRONG!? :-)
I'm not sure, as I can't remember the exact wording from the RN book.
Can somebody excerpt it here for comment?

> As for dragons eating habits, I hate to be picky here, but hydrogen
> comes actually from the stomach acids, so any "metal" containing
> "chemical" (pardon my terminology) should do.

I don't know anything abotu chemical reactions. This is the one I saw in
the book. If other ones work, then kool

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Message no. 15
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 11:22:18 -0500
On Mon, 13 Mar 1995, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Uh . . how about . . . FASA's WRONG!? :-)
> I'm not sure, as I can't remember the exact wording from the RN book.
> Can somebody excerpt it here for comment?

No, FASA's never wrong -- Dunklezahn fooled them. It'll cost
hundreds of lives to get this book out, and not even Shadowland will be
able to keep it online for long...only an ancient, slow, non-VR-capable
file server called Cerebus will have even the slightest chance of keeping
the file accessable. *grin*

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Message no. 16
From: David 'Vanyel' Ramsden <PH93122@****.SCI.PORT.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:28:37 GMT
>> The physiology aspect was once that might be interesting.
>> There was a
> > book I read a long time ago that kind tried to explain it, and it sorta
> > made sense.
> > Dragons eat calcium (usually limestone or cattle)
> > Calcium, interacting with stomach acids creates hydrogen
> > Hydrogen is boyent, providing lift
> > Belching out hyrdrogen decreases lift
> > A bio-electrical gland in the mouth can ignite the
> > belched gas, thus breathing fire
>
> You mean "The Flight of Dragons" its a cartoon. Great moovie one
> of the best I have ever seen, James Earls Jones "plays" in it he
> does Omadawn the red wizard :) BTW I have it on tape, I could
> make a transcript.
>
It was a book to, by Peter S. Beagle...he wrote The Last Unicorn
too, aswell as a few others.



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Message no. 17
From: "Sean \"Epicanis\" Clark" <dubiousu@******.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 12:45:22 -0800
On Sun, 12 Mar 1995, Robert A. Hayden wrote:
>
> > Wouldn't a dragon look awfully bloated if it was pumped up with
> > hydrogen? And what happens when some clown gets his greasy cyber-palms
> > on some armor-piercing incendiary rounds? Although "A Dragon Named
> > Hindenburg" would make a good name for something...
>
> 1) Every representation I've ever seen had dragons getting HUGE prior to
> breathign fire or taking off (like they were taking a deep breath).
>
> 2) Human bazooka's are relatively recent evolutionary trait, and there
> would have been no time for it to have been selected against.

Also see previous message...(the one about ending up with incredibly
vulnerable dragons)>

> > I vote magic as the cause of most of the incredible abilities. AFter
> > all, if they were scientifically explainable with "normal" science,
> > dragons would have been flying around before the Awakening.
>
> Who says they wern't flying around? I have an innate problem with the
> totally magic explaination. It just seems so artificial.

Keeping in mind that in SR, "magic" is also scientific, it's just a new
branch. You WOULDN'T actually just say "it's magic" and leave it at that
in an SR "technical" text (like the what's-his-name guide to paranormal
critters) - you'd probably explain the "technical" aspects of the magic.

Hmmm...one possibility - "Eastern" medicine claims that "life"
("Pranya?"
or Chi) is generated via Breath. Perhaps the intake of breath merely
serves to "charge" the dragon who is about to magically generate some
potent fire (and perhaps the fire is only being produced, not directed -
the breath "blows" the fire from the mouth as it is being created).

> > Perhaps dragons who do breathe fire (I seem to recall that not all of
> > them do) have some sort of innate magical/genetic "affinity" for
certain
> > types of elemental fire magic (and perhaps should have bonuses in the
> > case of full mage-dragons.)
>
> Thos dragon's that don't breathe fire don't have that bio-electricity
> gland. Seems to work...
>
> > Besides, I thought a dragon ate (as the punchline goes) "Whatever it
> > wants"...
>
> Of course, but it's calcium and other hydrogen-producing things that make
> the fire...

It's a personal preference for me, obviously, but I tend to dislike
attempts to "normalize" or explain paranormal abilities with
"real-world"
sciences (at least, not without getting it to "real-world" sciences via
magical sciences).

The "elemental affinity" thing might explain the "Amazing Burrowing
Dragon" in Wales (mentioned in the Welsh section of the London book.) -
that dragon has an "Earth" affinity (or "talent" or whatever you want
to
call it.)

I tend to think of dragons as personifications of natural forces having
incredible power within their specialty. Again, a personal preference.
Message no. 18
From: Louis Barrera <lbarrera@****.NASA.GOV>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS? -Reply
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 13:49:41 -0700
Excerpt from SRII, all copy rights belonging to FASA et al. On the
dragons (and dracoforms) ability to flame project:

[With this power one can project flames, often in the form of a fiery
breath. Damage code of (essense)L.

A being can sustain this attack, but will suffer Drain in the same way a
magician does, as (essense)S. When the attack is sustained the effect
covers a number of sq. meters equal to its essense.]

Sounds like a magic-based ability to me.
Message no. 19
From: Paul Finch <pfinch@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 20:57:14 -0700
Hey you all! Why dont we make sure that we can do other paranormal
critter stuff, also. I would be willing to write up some short stories
on a big game critter hunter and some of his exploits?

What do you all think of this? Maybe call it Dragons and other
beasties. Someone else flash the title up some and Ill do it if you will
have me.

Edge

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Message no. 20
From: Mark Steedman <RSMS@******.EEE.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS? -Reply
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:36:57 GMT
Louis Barrera

writes
> Excerpt from SRII, all copy rights belonging to FASA et al. On the
> dragons (and dracoforms) ability to flame project:
>
> [With this power one can project flames, often in the form of a fiery
> breath. Damage code of (essense)L.
>
> A being can sustain this attack, but will suffer Drain in the same way a
> magician does, as (essense)S. When the attack is sustained the effect
> covers a number of sq. meters equal to its essense.]
>
> Sounds like a magic-based ability to me.
>

And for those still on a purely hydrogen based explanation try the
'Paranormal Animals of Europe' (Copyright FASA) version which gives
dragons :
Damage : (Essense)M or L vs veichicular targets with the stage
down
range : (Essense * Essense) Meters, thats 144 for great dragons
area affect option gets bigger as well but i cannot remember the
figure. obviosly use whatever version you like but thats a gout of
flame around 3 times the length of the Dragon, and it ought to scare
the life out of anything/ anybody in the vicinity. (besides setting
it alight)

Again the explanation comes to magic though as someone suggested the
dragons breath may well be used to aim the flames.
Message no. 21
From: Sean Holland <sholland@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 10:32:42 -0800
Well why don't we include all of these various theories in the
Dragonlore NERPS? After all, Dragons are mysterious, lots of theories
(wacky and otherwise) should be out there about them. A lot of
shadowtalk could be about how (and why) these theories are bunk from
personal experience.
-Sean
Message no. 22
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS?
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 20:24:29 -0500
On Mon, 13 Mar 1995, Paul Finch wrote:

> Hey you all! Why dont we make sure that we can do other paranormal
> critter stuff, also. I would be willing to write up some short stories
> on a big game critter hunter and some of his exploits?

Great idea -- I was hoping to find a way to generalize the topic a
bit more, and include more people and more information. Let's do it.

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Message no. 23
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: DRAGONS AS NEXT NERPS? -Reply
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:51:33 +0100
> Excerpt from SRII, all copy rights belonging to FASA et al. On the
> dragons (and dracoforms) ability to flame project:
>
> [With this power one can project flames, often in the form of a fiery
> breath. Damage code of (essense)L.
>
> A being can sustain this attack, but will suffer Drain in the same way a
> magician does, as (essense)S. When the attack is sustained the effect
> covers a number of sq. meters equal to its essense.]
>
> Sounds like a magic-based ability to me.

Yeah or a "normal" ability conviniently formulated in a way that
suggests a magical explanation. As I have already pointed out scinetics
in the year 205x would have very litle data to work on and would probably
be inclined to find a blanket explanation to cover all "flame projection"
phenomena. Preferably one that has something to do with magic :) then
let the magic-types sort it out :)

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