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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: A (perhaps) better description of cyberpsionics
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 14:43:06 +0100
This is an attempt to better describe my original vision of
'cyberpsionics'. I very well might not make any sense here either.

-------------

First, in order to have cyberpsionics and make it both realistic and
feasible, there are a few things that must be assumed.

1) plugging via datajack makes your brain suseptible to energies
emmitted from the matrix (ie, this is what can cause Black ICe
to turn your brain into pate'.)
2) You are able to interject energies from your mind into the
matrix (much of it is reprocessed by a deck, but even just a
datajack will allow you to talk to another person by just
thinking)
3) Psionics is the ability to take energies emitting from your
brain and manipulate them into a useful (and different) form
(ie, this is how you can create telekinetic abilites or
telepathic abilities.)
4) Unlike magic, Psionics is not necessarily the antithesis of
magic.

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If the above are assumed to be true, and at the very least #1 and #2 have
ample evidence to show they are true, then 'cyberpsionics' becomes a very
simple reality.

If you remember my original posting, I posted of a Psionic who was able
to use his cyberpsionic ability to read the mind of the (person) target,
much like he would be able to do telepathically in person. Another
example I gave was the ability to sieze control of the decker's mind and
prevent them from logging out or doing anything (helpful for guaranteeing
that the cops have somebody to find when a Trace-and-Report is issued).
The final example was the ability to read the headware memory of the
target decker.

All of these, in some form or another, are available as telepathic
abilities. The matrix versions (a seperate dicipline) gives you the
ability to carry out these abilities using the matrix as a medium for the
transference of these psionic energies.

Psionic powers can ONLY effect other people in the matrix. You cannot
psionically attack ICe. You cannot psionically manipulate data. You can
only mess with real minds (we are ignoring the question of AIs, as they
do not officially exist).

The only protection (so far, we can add more) that a target decker has
against a psionic attack is their decker hardening, signal routers (from
Shadowlore I), and willpower. This signifies that a psionic attack, at
the same time it can't attack rpgrams, cannot be stopped by them either.
Hardening is in reality a series of filters and such and remove
impurities from the signal (and thus will defend against a psionic
attack).

All this is possible because the Psi has the ability to manipulate and
transmit is own mental powers. A person with these abilites can
manipulate his transmissions into a pattern that is compatible with the
matrix.

This does not seem far-fetched when you consider that these same types of
psionics can defy gravity, reshape their own body, see places many miles
away, and predict, with a certain amount of accuracy, the future.

At least at the beginning, a Psi will need to have a deck to be able to
enter the matrix (or they can run naked if you still allow that). A Psi,
in any case, will have to be hooked up to the matrix. I believe that an
initiate ability to allow one to run naked via telepathy is realistic (ie,
you are locked in your cell by Evil Bad Guy{tm}, and you remotely enter
the matrix and pick the lock :-) Of course, this isn't without proper
penalties.

There is fictional precedence for these kind of abilities.




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Message no. 2
From: the holy Entombed <rasputin@***.UMD.EDU>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of cyberpsionics
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 17:08:10 -0400
On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:


> 4) Unlike magic, Psionics is not necessarily the antithesis of
> magic.

Yeah, it's always bugged me that magic is the antithesis of magic in this
game. I keep writing to Dowd about it, but I never get any response...
=^)

> This does not seem far-fetched when you consider that these same types of
> psionics can defy gravity, reshape their own body, see places many miles
> away, and predict, with a certain amount of accuracy, the future.
>
> At least at the beginning, a Psi will need to have a deck to be able to
> enter the matrix (or they can run naked if you still allow that). A Psi,
> in any case, will have to be hooked up to the matrix. I believe that an
> initiate ability to allow one to run naked via telepathy is realistic (ie,
> you are locked in your cell by Evil Bad Guy{tm}, and you remotely enter
> the matrix and pick the lock :-) Of course, this isn't without proper
> penalties.

Fantastic!

The whole concept makes sense. That write-up was worth the wait.

Now... what disciplines?

Heh... imagine, you're outside some guy's house, and you want him to come
outside so you two can... talk. You simply project via telepathy and
screw with his cable reception. He calls the Cable people, they tell him
he's nuts, that there's no problem, and to go f*ck himself. He goes out
to check the connections, and...


the holy Entombed
Message no. 3
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of cyberpsionics
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 16:13:10 +0100
On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, the holy Entombed wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:
>
>
> > 4) Unlike magic, Psionics is not necessarily the antithesis of
> > magic.
>
> Yeah, it's always bugged me that magic is the antithesis of magic in this
> game. I keep writing to Dowd about it, but I never get any response...

Uh, I meant:

4) Unlike magic, Psionics is not necessarily the antithesis of
tech.

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Message no. 4
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of cyberpsionics
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 16:26:05 +0100
On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, the holy Entombed wrote:

> Now... what disciplines?

You mean abilities.... :-)

Well, and this is without much thought:
Telepathy (talk to them directly)
Statistics (make them reveal to you all their deck stats and
current programs in memory, much easier than other
abilities like _Manipulate_ or _Mind Scan_)
Mind Scan (read their mind)
Memory Dump (dump their headware memory, you can copy it to
yours for later reading)
Increase (matrix) Reaction (make you fight better, sustained)
Suppress (make target unable to function, sustained)
Manipulate (classic mind control, make THEM attack that mean
black ICe)
Hypnotize (implant a post-hypnotic suggestion :-)
Edit Mind (remove/rewite memories on the target)

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Message no. 5
From: Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of cyberpsionics
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 18:18:24 -0400
On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> First, in order to have cyberpsionics and make it both realistic and
> feasible, there are a few things that must be assumed.
>
> 1) plugging via datajack makes your brain suseptible to energies
> emmitted from the matrix (ie, this is what can cause Black ICe
> to turn your brain into pate'.)

Your deck creates sensory output from the information that it has
recieved from the Matrix. This sensory input can be altered by outside
influences (i.e. Black Ice) so as to cause you harm. No problem here.

> 2) You are able to interject energies from your mind into the
> matrix (much of it is reprocessed by a deck, but even just a
> datajack will allow you to talk to another person by just
> thinking)

You are able to create sensory output that is translated by you deck and
transmitted on to the Matrix. You must have a deck to transmit or
recieve any useful information. You can't use an ethernet card without
some form of processor running it. The same (IMHO) applies to a
datajack. You must have some form of processor to recieve and transmit
data whether it be an external deck or a c3.

> 3) Psionics is the ability to take energies emitting from your
> brain and manipulate them into a useful (and different) form
> (ie, this is how you can create telekinetic abilites or
> telepathic abilities.)
> 4) Unlike magic, Psionics is not necessarily the antithesis of
> magic.

Perhaps you meant 'Unlike magic, Psionics is not necessarily the
antithesis of technology.' ;-)

While not the antithesis, it is (IMHO) orthogonal. One doesn't
necessarily affect the other in any meaningful way.

> If you remember my original posting, I posted of a Psionic who was able
> to use his cyberpsionic ability to read the mind of the (person) target,
> much like he would be able to do telepathically in person. Another
> example I gave was the ability to sieze control of the decker's mind and
> prevent them from logging out or doing anything (helpful for guaranteeing
> that the cops have somebody to find when a Trace-and-Report is issued).

IF the PSI could determine the physical location of th etarget decker and
IF the decker was within the range of his powers, then I would agree that
the above were possible. BUT, I do not believe that the Matrix
propogates the mental energies that allow Psionicists to do their thing.

> The final example was the ability to read the headware memory of the
> target decker.

IF the decker had some facility to browse his own headware memory, then I
would agree that you could make him read it with you psionically looking
over his shoulder. However, if the decker does not have such a facility
(He has an archive that he can write to and read from with his deck, but
he can't do anything with that memory without his deck.) then that
headware is unreadable. I am of the opinion that memory is like a big
sheet of paper. You need a pen to write to it and you need light to read
from it. Having the paper does not mean you have the facilities to
manipulate what is on the paper and those facilities do not come standard.

> All of these, in some form or another, are available as telepathic
> abilities. The matrix versions (a seperate dicipline) gives you the
> ability to carry out these abilities using the matrix as a medium for the
> transference of these psionic energies.

This is the point that I can't conceed. It just doesn't make logical
sense. The matrix is a logical construct. You cannot affect it as you
would the real world. It just doesn't work that way. This is the same
reason magic doesn't work in the Matrix. There is nothing for the magic
to affect.

> Psionic powers can ONLY effect other people in the matrix. You cannot
> psionically attack ICe. You cannot psionically manipulate data. You can
> only mess with real minds (we are ignoring the question of AIs, as they
> do not officially exist).

Which is an argument against being able to read headware memory. That is
just data. Unless the target decker has some way to manipulate it
himself this is off limits.

> The only protection (so far, we can add more) that a target decker has
> against a psionic attack is their decker hardening, signal routers (from
> Shadowlore I), and willpower. This signifies that a psionic attack, at
> the same time it can't attack rpgrams, cannot be stopped by them either.
> Hardening is in reality a series of filters and such and remove
> impurities from the signal (and thus will defend against a psionic
> attack).

Hardening only filters in the rudimentary way that a surge protector
does. You don't get shocked by the overload that the Black Ice
generates. However, hardening does not protect against actual data
content. You need some sort of software for that. Fuses don't protect
you from viruses.

> All this is possible because the Psi has the ability to manipulate and
> transmit is own mental powers. A person with these abilites can
> manipulate his transmissions into a pattern that is compatible with the
> matrix.

Unless you can give a definite reason for this or at least a rudimentary
technobabble explanation, this is something that I can't accept. It is
not a given, it is the result of the proof.

> This does not seem far-fetched when you consider that these same types of
> psionics can defy gravity, reshape their own body, see places many miles
> away, and predict, with a certain amount of accuracy, the future.

These powers allow you to affect physical reality. The Matrix is not
physical reality. It is an electronic construct. It does not propogate
the necessary energies to allow what you are proposing.

> At least at the beginning, a Psi will need to have a deck to be able to
> enter the matrix (or they can run naked if you still allow that). A Psi,
> in any case, will have to be hooked up to the matrix. I believe that an
> initiate ability to allow one to run naked via telepathy is realistic (ie,
> you are locked in your cell by Evil Bad Guy{tm}, and you remotely enter
> the matrix and pick the lock :-) Of course, this isn't without proper
> penalties.

Now, this is something that I again must take umbrage with. Unless the
PSI has some form of processor to interface with, he cannot affect teh
Matrix in any meaningful way and, even with such an interface, he would
not be able to affect the lock, a non-sentient portion of the Matrix.

> There is fictional precedence for these kind of abilities.

I want a rational explanation, not fictional precedence. If there is a
fictionally precedent rational explanation... ;-)

Nothing personal, Robert, but I just don't see how the concept of a
MatrixPSI is realistic(tm). I can't see how the phase-inducers with
accept the inverse particle flux, if you know what I mean.

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with them as an ant has with us. We know. We've tried and we've learned
that we can either stay out from underfoot or be stepped on."
-- G'Kar, "Mind War"
Message no. 6
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of cyberpsionics
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 18:19:24 +0100
On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, Dylan Northrup ripped into me by writing:

> IF the PSI could determine the physical location of th etarget decker and
> IF the decker was within the range of his powers, then I would agree that
> the above were possible. BUT, I do not believe that the Matrix
> propogates the mental energies that allow Psionicists to do their thing.

Well, that is basically where we break down then. It is my belief that
a suitably trained PSI would be able to produce energies that are
compatible with propogation over the net.

> IF the decker had some facility to browse his own headware memory, then I
> would agree that you could make him read it with you psionically looking
> over his shoulder.

That's kinda what I meant. I assumed (in restrospect, incorrectly) that
all deckers would have access to their own memory.

> This is the point that I can't conceed. It just doesn't make logical
> sense. The matrix is a logical construct. You cannot affect it as you
> would the real world. It just doesn't work that way. This is the same
> reason magic doesn't work in the Matrix. There is nothing for the magic
> to affect.

Please remember that at no time is the PSI energies really effecting the
matrix, since it doesn't exist. What we are doing is sending energies
out (much like a deck does) that are targeted at a certain matrix
manifestation and end up effecting the person controlling that virtual
manifestation. Much like Blaster ICe or my Attack 10 utility.

> Which is an argument against being able to read headware memory. That is
> just data. Unless the target decker has some way to manipulate it
> himself this is off limits.

See above.

> Hardening only filters in the rudimentary way that a surge protector
> does. You don't get shocked by the overload that the Black Ice
> generates. However, hardening does not protect against actual data
> content. You need some sort of software for that. Fuses don't protect
> you from viruses.

I understood that Hardening was more like performing error correction on
incoming packets, to remove things that aren't supopsed to be there.

> Unless you can give a definite reason for this or at least a rudimentary
> technobabble explanation, this is something that I can't accept. It is
> not a given, it is the result of the proof.

I'm not sure what you are looking for, here.

> These powers allow you to affect physical reality. The Matrix is not
> physical reality. It is an electronic construct. It does not propogate
> the necessary energies to allow what you are proposing.

I never said the matrix was a physical reality (beyond the wires that
make it up). I said that, essentially, you can project those powers over
these wires to a target.

> Now, this is something that I again must take umbrage with. Unless the
> PSI has some form of processor to interface with, he cannot affect teh
> Matrix in any meaningful way and, even with such an interface, he would
> not be able to affect the lock, a non-sentient portion of the Matrix.

You have a point. It doesn't though, have to be any more complicated
than a datajack with a feedback loop.

> I want a rational explanation, not fictional precedence. If there is a
> fictionally precedent rational explanation... ;-)

I've given you as rational an explaination as is possible. What I have
said is totally consistent with the explainations of magic, astral space,
spirits, etc, and is internally consistent with the Psionics rules we've
discussed.

> Nothing personal, Robert, but I just don't see how the concept of a
> MatrixPSI is realistic(tm).

It's just as realistic as dragons, trolls, orcs, magic, etc. And, as
always, if you don't like it, you don't ahve to use it.

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Message no. 7
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of Cyberpsionics
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 21:44:45 -0400
On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, the holy Entombed wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:
>
> > 4) Unlike magic, Psionics is not necessarily the antithesis of
> > magic.
>
> Yeah, it's always bugged me that magic is the antithesis of magic in this
> game. I keep writing to Dowd about it, but I never get any response...
> =^)

It must be a Zen thing.

> > This does not seem far-fetched when you consider that these same types of
> > psionics can defy gravity, reshape their own body, see places many miles
> > away, and predict, with a certain amount of accuracy, the future.
. . .
>
> The whole concept makes sense. That write-up was worth the wait.
>
> Now... what disciplines?

The main discipline is Cyberpsionics, but (as I see it) you'd
then utilize _other_ disciplines (usually Telepathy IMHO) to acheive the
desired effect.

> Heh... imagine, you're outside some guy's house, and you want him to come
> outside so you two can... talk. You simply project via telepathy and
> screw with his cable reception. He calls the Cable people, they tell him
> he's nuts, that there's no problem, and to go f*ck himself. He goes out
> to check the connections, and...

He, he...I'll have to try that some time! (BTW, for the info of
the rest of y'all, the cable lines run through a small closet accessable
from the porch of his apartment (about five feet off the ground); the
closet is never locked.)

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Message no. 8
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of Cyberpsionics
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 21:45:50 -0400
On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, the holy Entombed wrote:
>
> > Now... what disciplines?
>
> You mean abilities.... :-)
>
> Well, and this is without much thought:
> Telepathy (talk to them directly)
> Statistics (make them reveal to you all their deck stats and
> current programs in memory, much easier than other
> abilities like _Manipulate_ or _Mind Scan_)
> Mind Scan (read their mind)
> Memory Dump (dump their headware memory, you can copy it to
> yours for later reading)
> Increase (matrix) Reaction (make you fight better, sustained)
> Suppress (make target unable to function, sustained)
> Manipulate (classic mind control, make THEM attack that mean
> black ICe)
> Hypnotize (implant a post-hypnotic suggestion :-)
> Edit Mind (remove/rewite memories on the target)
>
Telepathy, Mind Scan, Manipulate, Hypnotize, and Edit Mind would
all be abilities in the Telepathy discipline. It makes sense that an
expert in Cyberpsionics would use those, of course -- but would it really
be any different than contacting another mind line-of-sight, or whatever,
and using the same powers?

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Message no. 9
From: Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of cyberpsionics
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 1994 01:13:46 -0400
On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, Dylan Northrup ripped into me by writing:

Well, I forgot to go to my tact classes this week. :-) Really, I'm sorry
it sounded so harsh, but I tried to make the criticism constructive.
Sorry if I came off the wrong way.

> > IF the PSI could determine the physical location of th etarget decker and
> > IF the decker was within the range of his powers, then I would agree that
> > the above were possible. BUT, I do not believe that the Matrix
> > propogates the mental energies that allow Psionicists to do their thing.
>
> Well, that is basically where we break down then. It is my belief that
> a suitably trained PSI would be able to produce energies that are
> compatible with propogation over the net.

In which case he would be a form of electrokinetic (or photokinetic). I
begin to understand. In such a paradigm, th edecker would be able to
modulate the energy so that it would be able to propogate along the
Matrix, but how would the energy be demodulated? It seems that the
run-of-the-mill deck would not really be up to the task. Or are we
assuming that with training somes the ability to make someone else's deck
do a bit more than it's designer intended?

> I understood that Hardening was more like performing error correction on
> incoming packets, to remove things that aren't supopsed to be there.

Well, whether you use hardening or some form of software protection (my
preference) I agree that very shortly there will be countermeasures in
place to reduce a PSI's effectiveness in the Matrix.

> > Unless you can give a definite reason for this or at least a rudimentary
> > technobabble explanation, this is something that I can't accept. It is
> > not a given, it is the result of the proof.
>
> I'm not sure what you are looking for, here.

I think I gave myself part of it with the photokinetic/electrokinetic
explanation above. I am still not comfortable enough with what I have
heard and been able to rationalize to myself to fully accept it though.
I am trying for understanding.

> > Now, this is something that I again must take umbrage with. Unless the
> > PSI has some form of processor to interface with, he cannot affect teh
> > Matrix in any meaningful way and, even with such an interface, he would
> > not be able to affect the lock, a non-sentient portion of the Matrix.
>
> You have a point. It doesn't though, have to be any more complicated
> than a datajack with a feedback loop.

I think I misunderstood part of your original post. I thought you were
peoposing that the PSI would be able to jack in with no physical
connection to the Matrix.

> It's just as realistic as dragons, trolls, orcs, magic, etc. And, as
> always, if you don't like it, you don't ahve to use it.

However, I *would* like to use it *IF* I can justify and rationalise it to
myself.

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doesn't it?"
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Message no. 10
From: Darth Vader <j07c@***.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of cyberpsionics
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 1994 17:54:01 +0100
> > This does not seem far-fetched when you consider that these same types of
> > psionics can defy gravity, reshape their own body, see places many miles
> > away, and predict, with a certain amount of accuracy, the future.
> >
> > At least at the beginning, a Psi will need to have a deck to be able to
> > enter the matrix (or they can run naked if you still allow that). A Psi,
> > in any case, will have to be hooked up to the matrix. I believe that an
> > initiate ability to allow one to run naked via telepathy is realistic (ie,
> > you are locked in your cell by Evil Bad Guy{tm}, and you remotely enter
> > the matrix and pick the lock :-) Of course, this isn't without proper
> > penalties.

The whole thing would be far more believable(realistik if you want)
as well as impressive if done with PK (telekinesis).

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Message no. 11
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of Cyberpsionics
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 1994 12:38:26 +0100
On Sat, 23 Jul 1994, J.D. Falk wrote:

> Telepathy, Mind Scan, Manipulate, Hypnotize, and Edit Mind would
> all be abilities in the Telepathy discipline. It makes sense that an
> expert in Cyberpsionics would use those, of course -- but would it really
> be any different than contacting another mind line-of-sight, or whatever,
> and using the same powers?

Well, it depends if you want cyberpsi to be a seperate dicipline (which I
think is better).

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Message no. 12
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of cyberpsionics
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 1994 12:49:16 +0100
On Sun, 24 Jul 1994, Dylan Northrup wrote:

> > You have a point. It doesn't though, have to be any more complicated
> > than a datajack with a feedback loop.
>
> I think I misunderstood part of your original post. I thought you were
> peoposing that the PSI would be able to jack in with no physical
> connection to the Matrix.

I was. A PSI with a meta-power would be able to telepathically connect
to a computer interface. As for inturrpretation, a loop back (ie, a cord
from the PSI sections of his brain to the datajack) would work just fine,
and gives us something to require a PSI to chuck essence into.

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Message no. 13
From: Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: A (perhaps) better description of cyberpsionics
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 13:37:55 -0400
On Sun, 24 Jul 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jul 1994, Dylan Northrup wrote:
>
> > I think I misunderstood part of your original post. I thought you were
> > peoposing that the PSI would be able to jack in with no physical
> > connection to the Matrix.
>
> I was. A PSI with a meta-power would be able to telepathically connect
> to a computer interface. As for inturrpretation, a loop back (ie, a cord
> from the PSI sections of his brain to the datajack) would work just fine,
> and gives us something to require a PSI to chuck essence into.

Well, it sounds like you want to have a simplified processing unit with a
transmitter/reciever for establishing a remote connection to a machine
(similair to a satellite link). I think this is a bit more than your
average datajack would be able to do. Sounds like a stripped C3 actually.

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