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Message no. 1
From: Logan Graves <logan1@*****.INTERCOM.NET>
Subject: BBB or BABY ??
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:43:53 -0400
Hiyas,

I had an interesting ICQ chat with AdamJ today which drifted in to the
realm of NERPS (but unfortunately its all stored on my work compy, so
I'll have to regurgitate the conversation from memory...):


After a bit of discussion about NERPS publishing styles, HTML, & such,
we came to the topic of:

"WHICH RULES WOULD NERPS USE: the BBB or the BABY?"

Especially with the constraint of wanting to release "EdgeRunners2" with
as much quality & haste as possible.

The point/counterpoint went something like this:

PT: "SR2, with an SR3 conversion paragraph," would have mass-appeal to
more of our internet followers Right Now, most of whom won't have a copy
SR3 for quite a while, if ever. So they could use the product 'right
out of the box,' as it were. (Not to mention the fact that many of the
NERPS developers won't have SR3 for a while, either.)

CTR-PT: "SR3, with an SR2 conversion paragraph," on the other hand,
would appeal to the curiosity of the NERPS followers. It would be one
of the first tangible products using SR3's char-gen rules & could be
promoted as such. Also this would add to the book's staying power (&
save us having to convert-and-re-release it at some later time). Plus
Adam added that he believed most of the NERPS developers are planning to
get SR3 (eventually...)


The SR3 format seemed the better choice, but what of those "NERPS
developers, sans BABY" (of which I'm one - Grrr!) ?

One suggestion would be to assign someone to fulltime "conversion
duty." That way, those of us less-fortunate heathens could continue to
create & submit SR2-formatted characters to ER2 unhindered.

I'm sure there was more to it then just this, but the mind numbs...

Comments? Critíques? Flames?

--Fenris

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these little rendezvous _always_ have to be in
exotic locales? I mean, just *once* wouldn't
you like to sit down at a "Denny's" and plan an
assassination over a "French Slam" breakfast?
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Message no. 2
From: Doktor Paolo Falko <Falco@****.IT>
Subject: Re: BBB or BABY ??
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:27:07 +0200
0:43, 14 Aug 98,, Logan Graves writes:

> "WHICH RULES WOULD NERPS USE: the BBB or the BABY?"
>
> Especially with the constraint of wanting to release "EdgeRunners2" with
> as much quality & haste as possible.

No problem whatsoever, methinks.
We are all shadowrunnily nerdish enough to buy SR3 when it comes out,
AND dont' forget that NERPS projects tend to last a looong time, so
SR3 will be out before _any_ NERPS book is out.

Thus, I vote for having stats for all books straight in SR3 format.
Ah, and compile a list of guidelines for conversions, if they're not
in SR3, so that people can translate the stats for SR2 if they want
to.

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Message no. 3
From: Steven Goodman <chromblaster@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: BBB or BABY ??
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 02:48:48 PDT
Heya!

[SR3 or SR2?]

I think it would be best to do Edge Runners 2 in SR2 format:
We certainly don't want newly generated SR3 characters without
background and real life to be in this book, do we? We want (N)PCs all
you gamers out there have used and reused and loved and hated; people
with their own lives and ambitions...
I suggest we could even add some political groups (I'm thinking of this
extreme-right-wing politican with connections to Humanis Policlub my
runners got to know lately...), powerful media guys, criminal leaders
and so on...
In the end we'd have a book with the subtitle: "Who's Who In Seattle"

what do you think?


Greetings

Chrome

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Message no. 4
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: BBB or BABY ??
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:03:50 +1000
> I think it would be best to do Edge Runners 2 in SR2 format:
> We certainly don't want newly generated SR3 characters without
> background and real life to be in this book, do we? We want (N)PCs all
> you gamers out there have used and reused and loved and hated; people
> with their own lives and ambitions...

Okay. Well, for a start, who says the characters have to be in SR2
format? I know of no reason why the NPCs have to be 'old'. In addition,
it's irrelevant when the character was created; we want this production
to be accessible to the 'newbies' to Shadowrun, those who only have SR3.
Those more experienced with Shadowrun will better be able to handle
converting the printed characters to SR2 standards if that's what they
want in their games; it's a bit harsh to expect a newbie to SR to be
able to convert the stats as well.

> I suggest we could even add some political groups (I'm thinking of this
> extreme-right-wing politican with connections to Humanis Policlub my
> runners got to know lately...), powerful media guys, criminal leaders
> and so on...

The individual NPCs fit just fine in this book - that's exactly what
it's designed for, after all, but not the groups. The groups should
be covered by NERPS: Gangs or NERPS: Corporations, or (as AdamJ
suggested in IRC) NERPS: Organisations, a mixture of both Gangs and
Corps, with any other organisations/groups thrown in for good measure!

> In the end we'd have a book with the subtitle: "Who's Who In Seattle"

NOOOOOOOOOO! Sorry... I am just SO sick of the Seattle-centric approach
to things. Apart from anything else, the shadow community in any given
city is going to be -relatively- small. A book like this would expand in
to a ridiculous degree.

Let's give the writers of each piece freedom to place their characters
and groups where they wish, yes? Makes more sense to me...

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 5
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: BBB or BABY ??
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:25:44 -0400
>> I think it would be best to do Edge Runners 2 in SR2 format:
>> We certainly don't want newly generated SR3 characters without
>> background and real life to be in this book, do we? We want (N)PCs all
>> you gamers out there have used and reused and loved and hated; people
>> with their own lives and ambitions...
>
>Okay. Well, for a start, who says the characters have to be in SR2
>format? I know of no reason why the NPCs have to be 'old'. In addition,
>it's irrelevant when the character was created; we want this production
>to be accessible to the 'newbies' to Shadowrun, those who only have SR3.
>Those more experienced with Shadowrun will better be able to handle
>converting the printed characters to SR2 standards if that's what they
>want in their games; it's a bit harsh to expect a newbie to SR to be
>able to convert the stats as well.

I agree with Lady J. Ever hear of SOTA in SR? Well in RL SR SOTA just
upgraded.
Adapt or die. ;-)

>> In the end we'd have a book with the subtitle: "Who's Who In Seattle"
>
>NOOOOOOOOOO! Sorry... I am just SO sick of the Seattle-centric approach
>to things. Apart from anything else, the shadow community in any given
>city is going to be -relatively- small. A book like this would expand in
>to a ridiculous degree.

Definately, especially since the direction the game is taking of late is
decidedly more global.
Since D's Will, runners have been going after a bigger slice of the pie, and
engaging in runs more complicated than knocking over the local Stuffer
Shack.
Put your NPC's wherever you want, Seattle, or Sydney.

Steven A. Tinner
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Message no. 6
From: Steven Goodman <chromblaster@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: BBB or BABY ??
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 05:06:47 PDT
Hi!

>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:57:03 +0200
>From: Mikael Farstrand and Lady J
>Subject: SV: BBB or BABY ??

>>>["Who's Who In Seattle"]
>>[Noooooooo... (more global)]
>
>Well then.... How about a subtitle like
> "Who's Who In The Shadows"
>
>It's global _and_ has the famous Who's who...... Just a thought
>
>SorroW
>
I can agree to that, "Who's Who In The Shadows" is good and global.
But I still think that you can't just take the big players alone: Most
of the big players are big because they've got some sort of organisation
backing them up, so you'll have to add data on the organisation, too.

And about the format you're right: For newbies it's better to have the
stats in SR3... What I meant was: It's a lot more fun to have people in
"WWITS" who have really been used in a game and not only created but
never used. And so most of the chars to enter "WWITS" will have to be
converted from SR2 to SR3, right?


greetings

Chrome

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: BBB or BABY ??
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:54:51 +0100
Logan Graves said on 0:43/14 Aug 98,...

> "WHICH RULES WOULD NERPS USE: the BBB or the BABY?"
[snip]
> CTR-PT: "SR3, with an SR2 conversion paragraph,"

This is my suggestion. Even if you don't own SR3 when you write
an article, it's easy enough for the editor (i.e. me) to change
things like page references over to the 3rd edition rulebook.
Game rules that are different for 2nd and 3rd edition could be
adjusted when the article is posted to the list.

> The SR3 format seemed the better choice, but what of those "NERPS
> developers, sans BABY" (of which I'm one - Grrr!) ?

I have one! I have one! :) But any 3rd edition rulebook would do,
really. In a year's time or so, I think we can expect all SR-players
except for Spike to own the 3rd edition rules anyway.

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