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Message no. 1
From: Steven Ratkovich <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Chicago questions and Cleveland answers...
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:15:38 -0500
Hoi chummers... Just a few questions for ya...

Now, I wanted to get some ideas from ya'll before I get to work and see what
I have that'll need modified...

The way I see it, when Chicago fell to teh bugs, most of the major corps
(and a few of teh smaller) lost their center of power in the mid-east UCAS.
they had to go somewhere... They lost a lot of assets, but many of the
corps managed to get some of their staff, equipment, and whatnot out of the
CZ before it was sealed off... In fact, it certainly seemed taht some of
them knew what was coming.

In our game, our characters were based in Chicago, and then managed t get
out about a year after Bug City hit. We've since moved the game to
Cleveland (where we live), and have started working up stats and stuff for
the city, hence my volunteering to do it.

Now, in our game, we've moved the corps, shipping industry, and everything
to Cleveland, since it's the next largest city in the Mid West, and also has
access to the Great Lakes. This has revitalized what was a very lagging city.

I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on this, regardless if you know the
area or not... How do you feel about the Corps moving like that? Does it
make sense? What, if anything (or everything), do you think needs changed...?

Thanks aghead of time for the input...:)
Message no. 2
From: olafur gunnarsson <olafurg@******.IS>
Subject: Re: Chicago questions and Cleveland answers...
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:22:38 GMT
Chicago Cleveland Switch

Go to it More info on the world the more gaming area we have.
-Olafur Gunnarsson/Smudge/Madbyron-
Message no. 3
From: Jens Hage <jhage@**.COM>
Subject: Re: Chicago questions and Cleveland answers...
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:26:26 -0500
On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Steven Ratkovich wrote:

> Hoi chummers... Just a few questions for ya...
>
> Now, I wanted to get some ideas from ya'll before I get to work and see what
> I have that'll need modified...
>
> The way I see it, when Chicago fell to teh bugs, most of the major corps
> (and a few of teh smaller) lost their center of power in the mid-east UCAS.
> they had to go somewhere... They lost a lot of assets, but many of the
> corps managed to get some of their staff, equipment, and whatnot out of the
> CZ before it was sealed off... In fact, it certainly seemed taht some of
> them knew what was coming.
>
> In our game, our characters were based in Chicago, and then managed t get
> out about a year after Bug City hit. We've since moved the game to
> Cleveland (where we live), and have started working up stats and stuff for
> the city, hence my volunteering to do it.

Well, I'm cool. My area (Minneapolis/St. Paul) has a real sordid history
about organized crime, so I'm planning on having M/SP be a Mafia held
city after they left Chicago.

> Now, in our game, we've moved the corps, shipping industry, and everything
> to Cleveland, since it's the next largest city in the Mid West, and also has
> access to the Great Lakes. This has revitalized what was a very lagging city.
>
> I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on this, regardless if you know the
> area or not... How do you feel about the Corps moving like that? Does it
> make sense? What, if anything (or everything), do you think needs changed...?

Some to Cleveland, but Milwaukee and M/Sp (though less to M/Sp) should get
some as well.

Jens "St. Paul pusher" Hage
Message no. 4
From: Steven Ratkovich <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Chicago questions and Cleveland answers...
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:44:20 -0500
>Well, I'm cool. My area (Minneapolis/St. Paul) has a real sordid history
>about organized crime, so I'm planning on having M/SP be a Mafia held
>city after they left Chicago.
>
Sounds good... Maybe we can collaborate something between there and here
with the Mafia... There is a strong Italian presence here in Cleveland, in
RL, so we figured that would carry over to 2058, hence, a strong Mafia
presence... Maybe the Cleve Family and the Minn Families are working
together to keep the Yaks outta the Mid East? :)
Message no. 5
From: Marty <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Chicago questions and Cleveland answers...
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:47:25 +1000
> Now, in our game, we've moved the corps, shipping industry, and everything
> to Cleveland, since it's the next largest city in the Mid West, and also has
> access to the Great Lakes. This has revitalized what was a very lagging city.
>
> I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on this, regardless if you know the
> area or not... How do you feel about the Corps moving like that? Does it
> make sense? What, if anything (or everything), do you think needs changed...?
>
Sounds like an excellent idea. Very plausible.
Message no. 6
From: Paolo Marcucci <paolo@*********.IT>
Subject: Re: Chicago questions and Cleveland answers...
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:51:37 +0200
Steven Ratkovich wrote:

> Sounds good... Maybe we can collaborate something between there and here
> with the Mafia... There is a strong Italian presence here in Cleveland, in
> RL, so we figured that would carry over to 2058, hence, a strong Mafia
> presence... Maybe the Cleve Family and the Minn Families are working
> together to keep the Yaks outta the Mid East? :)

Well, the italian presence and the mafia are not directly related... but
I agree that if it isn't italian, it isn't original mafia (tm) :)

BTW, if anyone read shadows of the underworld, is the book talking about
organized crime? and how?

Bye, Paolo
Message no. 7
From: Steven Ratkovich <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Chicago questions and Cleveland answers...
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:41:43 -0500
>Steven Ratkovich wrote:
>
>> Sounds good... Maybe we can collaborate something between there and here
>> with the Mafia... There is a strong Italian presence here in Cleveland, in
>> RL, so we figured that would carry over to 2058, hence, a strong Mafia
>> presence... Maybe the Cleve Family and the Minn Families are working
>> together to keep the Yaks outta the Mid East? :)
>
>Well, the italian presence and the mafia are not directly related... but
>I agree that if it isn't italian, it isn't original mafia (tm) :)
>
Well, you're right, they aren't necessarily related, but, ummm...
<cough>... I, ummm, know for a fact it does exist in cleveland... My last
name, Ratkovich, is my Step-Fathers last name... I myself am 3/4 Italian...
Ummmm, but we won't go into this any further...

>BTW, if anyone read shadows of the underworld, is the book talking about
>organized crime? and how?
>
I believe so, but I haven't been allowed to read it yet as my GM wants to
run some of the stuff from it... <sigh> the perils of being a player AND a
GM... I can't read the stuff I need to...:)

>Bye, Paolo
>
Steven "Presutti" Ratkovich



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Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Chicago questions and Cleveland answers...
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:01:02 +0100
Paolo Marcucci said on 8:51/11 Oct 96...

> BTW, if anyone read shadows of the underworld, is the book talking about
> organized crime? and how?

I believe it's just a collection of adventures, like Super Tuesday. There
was a review on ShadowGM a few months ago.

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Message no. 9
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Chicago questions and Cleveland answers...
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 13:58:31 +0100
In article <199610121002.MAA04396@**********.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.NL> writes
>Paolo Marcucci said on 8:51/11 Oct 96...
>
>> BTW, if anyone read shadows of the underworld, is the book talking about
>> organized crime? and how?
>
>I believe it's just a collection of adventures, like Super Tuesday. There
>was a review on ShadowGM a few months ago.

Blurb from the back of the book:-

Shadows of the Underworld is a collection of five Shadowrun adventurs
set against the chaos of the United Canadian and American States
Presidential election of 2057. The runners get entangled with
everything from political agents to fanatical cults, from a gun fight
ont he top of New York's most famous building to the secret world of
Oakland's metahuman underground.

Aside from dealing with corruption, it has nothing to do with Mafia,
Yakuza, Triads or Seoulpa. Hope that clears the picture up a bit.
Hey, am I the only one with a copy around here. :)

Pete
--
Pete Sims
Civilisation advances by extending the number of important operations which we
can perform without thinking about them.
Message no. 10
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Chicago questions and Cleveland answers...
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:26:41 +0100
In article <199610121002.MAA04396@**********.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.NL> writes
>I believe it's just a collection of adventures, like Super Tuesday. There
>was a review on ShadowGM a few months ago.

This is the second time I've seen you mention this ShadowGM, anymore
details on it Gurth, like an address perchance? :)

When I joined Shadowrn etc. at the beginning of the year, I was under
the impression the list had closed down. If not, can I have some
details about it - please <beg, grovel> :)

Pete
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Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 11
From: Faux Pas <fauxpas@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Chicago questions and Cleveland answers...
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:03:07 -0500
At 12:01 PM 10/12/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Paolo Marcucci said on 8:51/11 Oct 96...
>
>> BTW, if anyone read shadows of the underworld, is the book talking about
>> organized crime? and how?
>
>I believe it's just a collection of adventures, like Super Tuesday. There
>was a review on ShadowGM a few months ago.

That was my review. Basically it's five runs: Excelsior and C.O.D. are
really good. Excelsior is like Die Hard in 2057, C.O.D. has the runners sit
on an art object for two days (neat plot twists). Dead Run is decent
(athough the final battle assumes that the runners won't actually attack
anything and listen to someone who has screwed them over while a battle is
raging around them). Double Dipping reads as a good run where the runners
find that a simple kidnapping job has many complications for the runners (it
also has negative karma awards meaning you can earn anywhere from -4 to 7
karma points for the adventure). Two Solitudes rated pretty low for me - a
lot of legwork trying to find a runaway, and if the runners don't get an
obscene number of successes while trying to find a certain clue, they can't
finish the run.

The only "Underworld" in SotU is the Underground or resistance in San
Francisco. SotU purports to be a book of adventures that focuses on the
effect of the presidential election on the streets. However, Two Solitudes
has nothing to do with the effects of the UCAS 2057 presidential election.

-Thomas Deeny
the Cartoonist at large is on the web at www2.cy-net.net/~fauxpas

"Larry Niven was dead wrong."
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together).

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