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Message no. 1
From: "L-Soft list server at LISTPROC.ITRIBE.NET (1.8c) (by way of
Subject: David's Aqualogy
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:36:18 -0600
My first idea for a project for the NAGTTW was to write up something
on an aquology. I wanted to do an aqualogy that had been built by a
consortium of smaller "private" aqualogies. By this I mean people
that had figured out how to survive on/in the ocean got together to
create one free community. But, I couldn't figure out how to build
it and the idea died.

Then someone on ShadowRN asked a question about oil rigs. I followed
up and found out that oil rigs are either permanent when placed in
shallow water, or floating when placed in deep water. With the
advent of cold fusion, power grids, and electric battery technology
there isn't much of a demand for oil in SR. So what would the oil
companies do with their off-shore rigs? They can't sink them because
of the environmental backlash. So, I figure they would sell them
(and in some rare cases just abandon them).

Along come individuals, families, and groups of people that want to
get away from it all. They acquire these rigs and move onto them.
Viola, little aqualogies all over the world. Then one of them gets
the bright idea to pull some of these rigs together and moor them to
a permanent shallow-water rig and create a floating city. Of course,
things don't quite work out the way they planned (you'll see in the article).

Anyway, what do you think? And, I've got one more problem to
overcome. Where do I put this thing? I'm looking for a current oil
field in shallow international waters in an area that is less
affected by storms and earthquakes than normal.

-David
--
"ghay'cha'! nachwIjDq betleH tu'lu'!"
Message no. 2
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: David's Aqualogy
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:24:24 -0700
> My first idea for a project for the NAGTTW was to write up something
> on an aquology. I wanted to do an aqualogy that had been built by a
> consortium of smaller "private" aqualogies. By this I mean people
> that had figured out how to survive on/in the ocean got together to
> create one free community. But, I couldn't figure out how to build
> it and the idea died.

I like the idea, myself. Will be glad to help out (with my minimal
resources). I do seem to recall some /very/ general floorplans
appearing in an ancient issue of the Dragon (back in the 60-80 issue
range) for a Top Secret (tm? r? c?) adventure.

> Then someone on ShadowRN asked a question about oil rigs. I followed
> up and found out that oil rigs are either permanent when placed in
> shallow water, or floating when placed in deep water. With the
> advent of cold fusion, power grids, and electric battery technology
> there isn't much of a demand for oil in SR. So what would the oil
> companies do with their off-shore rigs? They can't sink them because
> of the environmental backlash. So, I figure they would sell them
> (and in some rare cases just abandon them).

Oil rigs generally aren't made for living comfortably, but shack the
drilling gear and you open up considerable space. (How big are the
holding tanks, anyway? You could probably clean one up and use that.)

There might be corporate interests involved, though (Shiawase or
Gaeatronics, since they tend to be the enviro companies). Possibly also
municipalities - isn't Japan supposed to have a "City in the Bay"
planned?

> Along come individuals, families, and groups of people that want to
> get away from it all. They acquire these rigs and move onto them.
> Viola, little aqualogies all over the world. Then one of them gets
> the bright idea to pull some of these rigs together and moor them to
> a permanent shallow-water rig and create a floating city. Of course,
> things don't quite work out the way they planned (you'll see in the > article).

Can't stand the suspense :)

> Anyway, what do you think? And, I've got one more problem to
> overcome. Where do I put this thing? I'm looking for a current oil
> field in shallow international waters in an area that is less
> affected by storms and earthquakes than normal.

A tough nut. Shallow international waters seems like a contradiction.
Hmm. Gulf of Aden? Oman? Arctic shelf, perhaps? (Brr!)


Parallel thought: Wasn't there a floating colony of sorts in Snow
Crash? (And Waterworld) -- I'm trying to think of something else you
might use as a basis.
Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: David's Aqualogy
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:14:39 +0100
L-Soft list server at LISTPRO said on 11:36/11 Jun 97...

> Then someone on ShadowRN asked a question about oil rigs. I followed
> up and found out that oil rigs are either permanent when placed in
> shallow water, or floating when placed in deep water. With the
> advent of cold fusion, power grids, and electric battery technology
> there isn't much of a demand for oil in SR. So what would the oil
> companies do with their off-shore rigs? They can't sink them because
> of the environmental backlash. So, I figure they would sell them
> (and in some rare cases just abandon them).

Sounds plausible to me. Look at all the fuss around the Brent Spar, for
example (although with the North Sea being basically a toxic wasteland,
erm, wastesea, I doubt anyone would care if somebody dumped an empty oil
rig into it).

> Along come individuals, families, and groups of people that want to
> get away from it all. They acquire these rigs and move onto them.
> Viola, little aqualogies all over the world. Then one of them gets
> the bright idea to pull some of these rigs together and moor them to
> a permanent shallow-water rig and create a floating city.

Have you read Snow Crash? There's something very similar in that ,except
built around an aircraft carrier. Replace that by a supertanker "acquired"
somewhere in the Far East (happens all the time with smaller ships IRL) or
a floating oil rig that was abandonned by the owning corp, and you've got
a seaborne community like you suggest.

> Anyway, what do you think? And, I've got one more problem to
> overcome. Where do I put this thing? I'm looking for a current oil
> field in shallow international waters in an area that is less
> affected by storms and earthquakes than normal.

The only oil fields in sea that I know of are in the North Sea, and you're
hard pressed to find international waters there, AFAIK. IMHO it wouldn't
have to be in international waters, though. Some abandonned oil rig
somewhere not too far from the shore would work equally well, provided the
owning corp doesn't care about the rig any longer.

> "ghay'cha'! nachwIjDq betleH tu'lu'!"

What language is this, David? Klingon or something?

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Message no. 4
From: david christopher stephens <tfn5150@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: David's Aqualogy
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:19:12 -0400
what about this?
a true aqualogy...one on the floor...not the surface of the ocean
after all it's extra-territorial..who own the sea floor 100 milles off
the coast?...does anyone have any input on the technology of this?
im sure it would be a corp venture...but it intrugues me as a g/m
knowlege is power
Entropy


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Message no. 5
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: David's Aqualogy
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:47:19 -0600
david christopher stephens wrote:
) what about this?
)a true aqualogy...one on the floor...not the surface of the ocean
)after all it's extra-territorial..who own the sea floor 100 milles off
)the coast?...does anyone have any input on the technology of this?
)im sure it would be a corp venture...but it intrugues me as a g/m
) knowlege is power
) Entropy

It's a cool idea. But I didn't feel it was enough for NAGTTW. I
figured a corporation would sponser a research facility on the ocean
floor, but not a community or a city. And even if they did it would
be pretty much restricted to employees (citizens?) of the
corporation. I just couldn't see a bunch of regular people pulling
it off. All IMHO :)

Anyway, that's why I'm going with the oil platform city. All of the
material is available to the average Joe, minimal technical expertise
is required, and a half dozen rigs, plus extra floatables, to support
a large community. And it would be a free, unconstrained community,
which would make it ripe for all sorts of intrigue :)

BTW, Gurth, my last sig was in fact Klingon :) (A batleth instead of an axe.)

-David
--
"ahh, kamisama! watashi no atama ni ono ga arimasu!"
Message no. 6
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: David's Aqualogy
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:45:17 +0000
> My first idea for a project for the NAGTTW was to write up something
> on an aquology. I wanted to do an aqualogy that had been built by a
> consortium of smaller "private" aqualogies. By this I mean people
> that had figured out how to survive on/in the ocean got together to
> create one free community. But, I couldn't figure out how to build
> it and the idea died.
There's something in Germany, but that's in a swamp near Hamburg.
But in another Novel (I think it was from John Shirley) I read
something abut a big Raftlike construct from Styrofoam and similar
Components just outside the 12 mile zone of Europe.

> Then someone on ShadowRN asked a question about oil rigs. I followed
> up and found out that oil rigs are either permanent when placed in
> shallow water, or floating when placed in deep water. With the
> advent of cold fusion, power grids, and electric battery technology
> there isn't much of a demand for oil in SR. So what would the oil
> companies do with their off-shore rigs? They can't sink them because
> of the environmental backlash. So, I figure they would sell them
> (and in some rare cases just abandon them).
In some SR Novel they blew up that kind of rig, because there hab
been an AI on it, not hooked to the matrix but quite powerful, if i
could only remember the title...

> Along come individuals, families, and groups of people that want to
> get away from it all. They acquire these rigs and move onto them.
> Viola, little aqualogies all over the world. Then one of them gets
> the bright idea to pull some of these rigs together and moor them to
> a permanent shallow-water rig and create a floating city. Of course,
> things don't quite work out the way they planned (you'll see in the article).
Why shallow water, its much better to be out of jurisdiction of some
countries and the floating rigs are for open sea use.
They are hooked to the ground by lon cables and about 100m above the
surface, so they should be prette secure apart from toxic elementals
or tsunamis.

> Anyway, what do you think? And, I've got one more problem to
> overcome. Where do I put this thing? I'm looking for a current oil
> field in shallow international waters in an area that is less
> affected by storms and earthquakes than normal.

North Sea or the Gulf, there are the most shallow water rigs. Mostly
produced by Germany and GB.
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Message no. 7
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.ADELPHI.EDU>
Subject: Re: David's Aqualogy
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:24:07 -0400
[SNIP]

Go for it, just remember that if it's underwater it's limited in size. I
don't have the book right now but Dunkelzahn left a prize for the frist to
do it, so unless your group is going to claim it, which is the reason for
the hook in Secrets, keep it small. Gotta keep with the published material. :)


Sasquatch

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