Back to the main page

Mailing List Logs for ShadowRN

Message no. 1
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: India in 2058 (was Re: (Fwd) Re: RE> RE: New project!)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:23:50 +0100
David Buehrer said on 17:47/29 Sep 96...

> Japan currently has a very well armed defense force (almost everything
> purchased from the US),

Erm... A *lot* of the military equipment the Japanese use right now is
self-designed, three generations of MBT included. Okay, they use M1 steel
helmets, but who doesn't? :)

> which for all practical purposes is an army except by name.

Like in Israel ;)

> |What about INDIA?
>
> VITAS. It was devestating for high density population areas with poor
> sanitary conditions. Combine India's population density, their lack of
> sanitary sewage handling, and a couple monsoons and... Not much left
> of India after that.

So David, would you like to write about India? *grin* Most of the major
cities would probably have bought the farm, but small, outlying villages
would likely have survived -- and that's where all the traditions remain
in use. So India would probably have a caste system (they have today, but
the government wants it done away with AFAIK).

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
If I had it my way I'd hear you say that it's okay.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version 3.1:
GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+ PE
Y PGP- t(+) 5+ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Message no. 2
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: India in 2058 (was Re: (Fwd) Re: RE> RE: New project!)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 07:11:06 -0600 (MDT)
Gurth wrote:
|
|David Buehrer said on 17:47/29 Sep 96...
|
|> Japan currently has a very well armed defense force (almost everything
|> purchased from the US),
|
|Erm... A *lot* of the military equipment the Japanese use right now is
|self-designed, three generations of MBT included. Okay, they use M1 steel
|helmets, but who doesn't? :)

Oops. I based my statement on a Tom Clancy novel. My fault.

|> |What about INDIA?
|>
|> VITAS. It was devestating for high density population areas with poor
|> sanitary conditions. Combine India's population density, their lack of
|> sanitary sewage handling, and a couple monsoons and... Not much left
|> of India after that.
|
|So David, would you like to write about India? *grin* Most of the major
|cities would probably have bought the farm, but small, outlying villages
|would likely have survived -- and that's where all the traditions remain
|in use. So India would probably have a caste system (they have today, but
|the government wants it done away with AFAIK).

India... india... <gahk> I'll think about it.

BTW, speaking of VITAS, which parts of the world would have
been really screwed by it, and which ones do you think
would have recovered? IMHO, deciding factors should
include: whether or not a country's society stick close to
eachother (enhancing transmission, but also enhancing
recovery) or the family units stay away from eachother
(reducing transmission, but leading to government
breakdown); water and sewage treatment; medical resources
(not just technology, but the ability to get it to the
people).

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm~~~~
Message no. 3
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: India in 2058 (was Re: (Fwd) Re: RE> RE: New project!)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:47:04 +0100
David Buehrer said on 7:11/30 Sep 96...

> |Erm... A *lot* of the military equipment the Japanese use right now is
> |self-designed, three generations of MBT included. Okay, they use M1 steel
> |helmets, but who doesn't? :)
>
> Oops. I based my statement on a Tom Clancy novel. My fault.

It's better to base yourself on Jane's, in my experience :)

> BTW, speaking of VITAS, which parts of the world would have been really
> screwed by it, and which ones do you think would have recovered? IMHO,
> deciding factors should include: whether or not a country's society
> stick close to eachother (enhancing transmission, but also enhancing
> recovery) or the family units stay away from eachother (reducing
> transmission, but leading to government breakdown); water and sewage
> treatment; medical resources (not just technology, but the ability to
> get it to the people).

We know the UCAS suffered badly, except for the native Americans in the
concentration camps. Germany was also hit hard: 4,529,744 dead up until
2010, which is about 5% of the modern-day population. What we could
easily do is take this percentage, and apply it to other industrialized
countries.

That only leaves us with less-developed countries, as well as those in
which the population lives further apart. The question is if the rate
would go up or down there, so I suggest using the 5% as an average for the
whole world.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
If I had it my way I'd hear you say that it's okay.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version 3.1:
GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+ PE
Y PGP- t(+) 5+ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Message no. 4
From: Jens Hage <jhage@**.COM>
Subject: Re: India in 2058 (was Re: (Fwd) Re: RE> RE: New project!)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:10:54 -0500 (CDT)
On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Gurth wrote:
> David Buehrer said on 7:11/30 Sep 96...
>
> > BTW, speaking of VITAS, which parts of the world would have been really
> > screwed by it, and which ones do you think would have recovered? IMHO,
> > deciding factors should include: whether or not a country's society
> > stick close to eachother (enhancing transmission, but also enhancing
> > recovery) or the family units stay away from eachother (reducing
> > transmission, but leading to government breakdown); water and sewage
> > treatment; medical resources (not just technology, but the ability to
> > get it to the people).
>
> We know the UCAS suffered badly, except for the native Americans in the
> concentration camps. Germany was also hit hard: 4,529,744 dead up until
> 2010, which is about 5% of the modern-day population. What we could
> easily do is take this percentage, and apply it to other industrialized
> countries.
>
> That only leaves us with less-developed countries, as well as those in
> which the population lives further apart. The question is if the rate
> would go up or down there, so I suggest using the 5% as an average for the
> whole world.

One other thing to take into account is prevailing medical epidemics and
pandemics. The place I'm specifically referring to is Central Africa,
where AIDS is pandemic or worse. Given VITAS, AIDS and the crowding and
sanitation situations presently, I think places like the Congo could be
almost depopulated by 2015 or so. YMMV.

Jens "Touchy" Hage

Further Reading

If you enjoyed reading about India in 2058 (was Re: Re: RE> RE: New project!), you may also be interested in:

Disclaimer

These messages were posted a long time ago on a mailing list far, far away. The copyright to their contents probably lies with the original authors of the individual messages, but since they were published in an electronic forum that anyone could subscribe to, and the logs were available to subscribers and most likely non-subscribers as well, it's felt that re-publishing them here is a kind of public service.

Thwap!