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Message no. 1
From: Galen 'Marphod' Silversmith <argentum@******.COM>
Subject: Re: M.Combat 3.0
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 16:43:39 -0800
> Strike:
> Strike is any attack that uses a part of the upper body to do damage to the
> target. It includes punches, elbow smashes, chops, and even headbutts. A
> Strike does (Strength)M Stun Damage. A Strike has a reach of zero, takes
> a simple action and can be used with any combat option.
>

> Kick:
> Kick is any attack that uses a part of the lower body to do damage to the
> target. It includes all foot and leg strikes. A Kick does (Strength)M Stun
> Damage. It gives a Reach of 1, takes a complex action and may be used
> with any combat option.
>
I have a bit of a problem here. a Kick shoudl definately get the +1
reach, but knees shouldn't (although tehya re lowere body strikes). And
tehre are a lot of hand strikes that shoudl get the reach and don't. I
can live with simplicities sake without the hand strikes having reach,
but you might want to spicify the knee thing (or not, I get picky a lot).

Also, esp for kicks, I would see a (STR)L physical or a (STR)S Stun as
more realistic than a M stun. There should, IMOP, be a bit more of a
tradeoff here for teh complex action. a +1 reach is nice, but IMHO, not
that nice.

> Any weapon with a Reach of zero can be used in a simple action. Any
> weapon with a Reach of one or greater requires a complex action.
> Ex. Van-Damme gets in two quick thrusts a phase with that dinky
> little knife he's using. If he picks up a Katana, then he only gets one swipe
> per phase.
>
Not entirely realistic. Staves use both ends to strike with, chained
weapons are designed for quick recovery; but until someone comes out
with decent rules for Martial Arts weapons, there isn;'t much point in
nit picking...

> THE MARTIAL ARTS
>
> Aikido Strike -2, Kick -2, Throw, Sweep, Hold +2

I'd put a +1 in there for a throw too. Esp. if it's used as a
counter-attack.


> Boxing Strike +2, Kick -2, Throw -1, Sweep -1, Hold

only -2 kick? Classical english/American boxing is really dependant on
both feet for balance, and they have no training whatsoever in kicks.
Whereas, even in Akido, balence is very key. I'd drop it to -3, at
least. (I'd also drop the sweep and possibly the throw as well, but
that would leave boxing as an entirely under-balenced possibility)

> Judo Strike -1, Kick -1, Throw +1, Sweep, Hold

Only a +1 throw and no bonuses to sweep? Methinks they should eb busted
by one.

> Savate Strike -1, Kick +2, Throw -1, Sweep, Hold -1

Drop strike and throw or strike and hold; esp. for traditional Savate
(and not La Boxing Fracais) which had a grand total of 0 handstrikes.
Boost kick by one and/or option of a kick as a simple action at a -1 or
-2; this, like kick boxing, is the true specialty of Savate.

> Tae Kwon Do Strike +1, Kick +1, Throw -1, Sweep -1, Hold -1

Maybe the option of faster kicking, at -2 or -3? I don;t know enough.

> Thai Kick Boxing Strike, Kick +2, Throw -1, Sweep -1, Hold -1

Higher penalty to throw or hold, really. (If your holding someone, you
really can't kick them well. Knee, maybe, but not kick). Same as Savate
on teh Simple actions and maybe boost the kick likewise.

> Wrestling Strike -1, Kick -1, Throw +1, Sweep, Hold +1.

Lower the kick (at least for real wrestling, and not the TV stuff) and
raise throw and/or hold. The key to wrestling is holdong the guy until
they stop moving. Its as much of a specialty as kicking is to savate and
Thai kixing, and redirection is to akido (which, BTW, probably should get
a general +1 on counterattacks, and -1 on attacks, or similar, IMHO)


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Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: M.Combat 3.0
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:58:20 -0600
On Sat, 21 Jan 1995, Galen 'Marphod' Silversmith wrote:

> Also, esp for kicks, I would see a (STR)L physical or a (STR)S Stun as
> more realistic than a M stun. There should, IMOP, be a bit more of a
> tradeoff here for teh complex action. a +1 reach is nice, but IMHO, not
> that nice.

Kicks need to be harder hitting than punches [(STR) S?]. A knee shouldn't
get +1.

> > Judo Strike -1, Kick -1, Throw +1, Sweep, Hold
>
> Only a +1 throw and no bonuses to sweep? Methinks they should eb busted
> by one.

Throw +3(!!!)

> Lower the kick (at least for real wrestling, and not the TV stuff) and
> raise throw and/or hold. The key to wrestling is holdong the guy until
> they stop moving. Its as much of a specialty as kicking is to savate and
> Thai kixing, and redirection is to akido (which, BTW, probably should get
> a general +1 on counterattacks, and -1 on attacks, or similar, IMHO)

The hold should be AT LEAST +3...

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