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From: THEY ONLY WIN IF WE LET THEM <MKNABUSCH@****.ALBION.EDU>
Subject: More shadow talk on dragons.
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:28:48 -0500
>I am going to try a stick a few comments in here like they do in the
>Sourcebooks. Tell me if this works decently well or if we will have to try a
>different idea
Works for me.

>>Dragonlore
>>Where, When, and What Do They Come From?
>>G-01
>>--------
>>WHERE, WHEN, AND WHAT DO DRAGONS COME FROM?
>>By Dr. Mike F. diAngelo-Mosely


>>That out of the way, let's proceed to thinking about dragons. The first
>>recorded sighting of a dragon by humans was on December 24, 2011, near Mount
>>Fiji, Japan. The dragon in question was an individual later identified as
>>the great eastern dragon Ryumyo, who was spotted on two later occasions near
>>the cities of Ise and Kyoto, both in Japan, and has vanished since.

>>>>>[ Personally, I've have always been of the opinion that he did the
ground-hog act. Like Punxitawny Phil, he came out for a bit, looked around.
The first thing he would check out would be the silverish flying object in the
sky, it could be a threat. Next, check out the local civilization to see how
they are. After that, set the alarm to 2099 and go back to sleep.]<<<<<
-- Seraphy <13:29:07/03-28-56>

>>But was this the first time dragons were seen by humanity? I think not.
>>Evidence for this is easy to find but very difficult to make hard; many
>>civilizations --most, actually-- have tales, legends, and myths about
>>dragons, and the dragons of today resemble those in the ancient myths...
>>this leads me, as well as many others, to believe dragons lived on earth in
>>ancient times, too.

>>>>>[ Unless your a Tir Nan Og elf, the you think that your dreams created
dragons. Sounds pretty stupid to me.]<<<<<
-- Seraphy <13:30:47/03-28-56>

>>>>>[Or one of those scientists that think we evolved from lizards.
I don't think Faphiir has stopped laughing yet.]<<<<<
-- Lazinthgul <11:24:18/03-39-56>

>>I'm not saying dragons are dinosaurs, but my point is that dragons can very
>>well have evolved from dinosaurs. 65 million years is a long time--long
>>enough for a species to evolve into a creature that only vaguely resembles
>>its ancestor.

>>>>>[ Point in fact then, Dragons could actually also be related to birds,
since it is now commonly excepted that dinosaurs are avian precursors. That
would explain the wings.]<<<<<
-- Bill the Galactic Hero <13:34:04/03-28-56>



>>One of the strangest, and most difficult to explain, features of some
>>dragons is that some have six limbs. While this is also true for some
>>non-dragons, such as the griffin and pegasus, it is strange that not all
>>dragons have six limbs. In fact, out of four common dragon species, only the
>>western dragon has six limbs; the eastern dragon and feathered serpent have
>>four limbs, and the aitvaras has none at all. I presume aitvaras have lost
>>their limbs in an evolutionary process similar to that of snakes--while most
>>snakes have no limbs whatsoever, boa constrictors have a pair of vestigal
>>hind legs, not much more than a large nail protruding from the skin. Eastern
>>dragons' and feathered serpents' limbs are similar to lizards and birds,
>>respectively. But western dragons have two pairs of legs and a set of wings,
>>all of them fully developed. This can also be explained in a number of ways,
>>none of which is completely satisfying:

>>>>>[ One problem that I have is that people insist on putting dragon
under the
same species heading - Draco. It is rather obvious that with all the
differences between them and the rest of the paranormal species - and
themselves. The should have their own catagory under the "Vertebrates"
clasification and then go from there. Of course - dragons tend to break all the
rules anyway.]<<<<<
-- Bill the Galactic Hero <13:43:53/03-28-56>

>>>>>[And where does that leave the wyverns? They appear to be dracoforms
yet have only one pair of legs. While they show some intelligence, they are
definately not on the level of Dunkelzahn. Are they apart of the evolutionary
process of dragons?]<<<<<
-- Wyrm Watcher <11:39:58/03-30-56>

>>>>>[Oh now you've done it. Why not open the can of wyrms a little
more.]<<<<<
-- Seeks-Thought <13:53:23/04-02-56>

>>Where do baby dragons come from? This sounds like a question a young dragon
>>might ask its mother, but my point is that we have no idea how dragons are
>>born, whether there are male and female dragons, how they mate, when the
>>mate, and so on. Most people refer to a dragon with "he" or
"she," mostly
>>based on how the dragon behaves, I think.
>>Somehow all known dragons are adults. Some seem to be older than others, but
>>all are still adults. If dragons are immortal, it would be possible that no
>>young have been produced in hundreds of thousands of years, but attrition
>>would take a toll on the adult ones; even if no (meta)human would seek them
>>out and kill them, they can die in accidents; ergo, they would need to breed
>>in order to keep the species alive. I can't find any satisfying theory why
>>we have no knowledge of such instances, save for attributing this (too) to
>>the Earth's mana level: maybe that should rise before dragons are able to breed.

>>>>>[ Or possibly, Dragons are intelligent and know how to hide their
young
from prying eyes to protect them. The is also the possibility that the young
start off as something else and metamorphisis into dragons, of course this is
all just dreamy conjecture.

Personally, I can understand not having found any dragon young, dragons are not
that sociable, even with their own kind. Dunklezahn, the most sociable dragon,
still tends to keep to himself. Another answer could well be that dragons don't
trust humanity around their children, I personally wouldn't.

Another cosideration is that their mating cycle has come about yet, they may be
fertile only once every 50 years or so. We really don't know. Of course then
again, they might also not want you at the moment, dragons need to eat alot and
are fairly competative with each other. The world is fairly crowded right now
and dragons may have decided this would not be a good time to have children.
This would be an example of species population control. Something that we
humans, as a race, have never been able to do.]<<<<<
-- Bill the Galactic Hero <13:47:15/03-28-56>

>>>>>[Or it could be that they enjoy the pain of childbirth as much as
we do.]<<<<<
-- Sable Blackguard <11:33:34/03-29-56>


>>Well, that's what I had to say about dragons. I don't know if I was close or
>>totally off course with any or all of my theories, I think the only ones who
>>can tell us are the dragons themselves. And they don't seem to be telling.

>>>>>[ You learn better when you have to figure things out for yourself, if
things where handed to you on a silver platter you would just become fat a
lazy.]<<<<<
-- Seraphy <13:59:02/03-28-56>

>>>>>[If that happens there is no hope. The signs are already
showing.]<<<<<
-- Lazinthgul <12:37:57/03-31-56>

>>>>>[Things are afoot which might slow it down, but still. Can we afford
not
to help them along. At the rate they are going, well....]<<<<<
-- Blackie <16:21:45/04-06-56>

>>>>>[Somedays, I really hate those elves.]<<<<<
--David Etherial <23:49:12/04-07-56>


Nightfox


with additions by Michael
Message no. 2
From: Theoretical Anomaly <mlynch@****.EDU>
Subject: More shadow talk on dragons
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:29:36 -0700
>>>>>[I asked about the dragons surfing because I recently recieved the
following message from a close friend of mine:

---Inserted Text---

>>>>>[Big problem, TA. Got some hot info about a dragon's lair last week
and now I don't know what to do with it. Give me a hand here, can you?
I just need a secure fixer like that Julian fellow you hooked me up with
last time. We've got to hurry, though, before they hatch, and besides,
I think I'm being traced.]<<<<<
--TracerX <04:12:22/03-20-56>

---End Insert---
Tracer's not the kind of guy to just vanish, but he did. I wonder what
he meant by hatch? I thought dragons didn't lay eggs. Hope you know
what to do with this, cause I sure don't.]<<<<<
--Theoretical Anomaly <15:32:24/03-29-56>

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