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Message no. 1
From: Tomus Cone <brother_1@*******.COM>
Subject: Narcoject
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:32:08 PDT
Anyone thought of converting the Narcoject system (compressed air) to
send things other than drugs? If it's got a hypodermic in it, can't the
two (back and front) press together to complete a circuit? Just a
thought I was tossing around about tracking rounds.

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Message no. 2
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:52:16 -0400
On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Tomus Cone wrote:

->Anyone thought of converting the Narcoject system (compressed air) to
->send things other than drugs? If it's got a hypodermic in it, can't the
->two (back and front) press together to complete a circuit? Just a
->thought I was tossing around about tracking rounds.

Can you explain this idea a little better? I'm not getting your
drift.

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Message no. 3
From: Tomus Cone <brother_1@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:36:59 PDT
Anyone thought of converting the Narcoject system (compressed air) to
send things other than drugs? If it's got a hypodermic in it, can't the
two (back and front) press together to complete a circuit? Just a
thought I was tossing around about tracking rounds.

>Can you explain this idea a little better? I'm not getting your
>drift.
>
>Fixer

Well, on impact, if I'm right, two pieces in the narcoject move
together, injecting whatever. Instead of putting a drug, or even liquid,
in the Narcoject dart, why not an electrical device with tracking
abilities? Just send out a signal with about a 20m radius with a 2 day
limit until the batteries run out? When the two pieces that inject move
together, it could complete a circuit, activating the device.

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Message no. 4
From: Bruce <gyro@********.CO.ZA>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:02:21 +0200
From: Tomus Cone <brother_1@*******.COM>
To: NERPS@********.ITRIBE.NET <NERPS@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: 09 September 1998 11:35
Subject: Re: Narcoject


>Well, on impact, if I'm right, two pieces in the narcoject move
>together, injecting whatever. Instead of putting a drug, or even liquid,
>in the Narcoject dart, why not an electrical device with tracking
>abilities? Just send out a signal with about a 20m radius with a 2 >day
limit until the batteries run out? When the two pieces that inject >move
together, it could complete a circuit, activating the device.


What good is a 20m range? Could it inject a traceable chemical, possibly
with LOW level radioactive properties? That would be easier to trace. Or a
chemical that makes you sweat out a distinctive (to a chemsniffer or dog)
smell?

Just some thoughts...

BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za>

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Yo tengo chicle en cerebro

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Message no. 5
From: mike <raven.nexus@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:49:21 +0100
What about ceramic darts for use with acid.
or small amouts of radioactive materials for a miniture thermonuclear
divice.

mike
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From: Bruce <gyro@********.CO.ZA>
To: NERPS@********.ITRIBE.NET <NERPS@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: 10 September 1998 09:13
Subject: Re: Narcoject


>From: Tomus Cone <brother_1@*******.COM>
>To: NERPS@********.ITRIBE.NET <NERPS@********.ITRIBE.NET>
>Date: 09 September 1998 11:35
>Subject: Re: Narcoject
>
>
>>Well, on impact, if I'm right, two pieces in the narcoject move
>>together, injecting whatever. Instead of putting a drug, or even liquid,
>>in the Narcoject dart, why not an electrical device with tracking
>>abilities? Just send out a signal with about a 20m radius with a 2 >day
>limit until the batteries run out? When the two pieces that inject >move
>together, it could complete a circuit, activating the device.
>
>
>What good is a 20m range? Could it inject a traceable chemical, possibly
>with LOW level radioactive properties? That would be easier to trace. Or a
>chemical that makes you sweat out a distinctive (to a chemsniffer or dog)
>smell?
>
>Just some thoughts...
>
>BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za>
>
>Yo soy un disco quebrado
>Yo tengo chicle en cerebro
>
>Get-It-Done Submission Circle
>
Message no. 6
From: "Paolo Falko, Explorer" <Falco@****.IT>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:42:51 +0200
14:49, 10 Sep 98, mike writes:

> What about ceramic darts for use with acid.
> or small amouts of radioactive materials for a miniture thermonuclear
> divice.

Nuclear, no way jimmo. You need to achieve "critical mass" to have a
reaction, i.e. the total coefficient of the "four factor" equation
needs to be more than 1. meaning that you need at least one reusable
neutron for every used neutron. SInce neutrons (both fast and slow)
tend to escape, this means that unless you find a really new cool
mumbojumbo transuranic stabile (oximoron in itself) element, you're
stuck to making bombs more (or, more often, a little less) than 1/2
cube metre in volume, i.e. about the mean path for slow neutrons in
stabile fissile elements. This is actually more complicated, but the
core is this: nuclear devices cannot really be very small unless you
in some way warp the fundamental laws of nature.

Paolo-who-sometimes-likes-to-show-he's-given-"Physics-of-neutrons"-
(twice)-last-year...

:)


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Message no. 7
From: The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:19:48 -0500
On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Paolo Falko, Explorer wrote:

> 14:49, 10 Sep 98, mike writes:
> You need to achieve "critical mass" to have a reaction, i.e. the total
> coefficient of the "four factor" equation needs to be more than 1.
> meaning that you need at least one reusable neutron for every used
> neutron. SInce neutrons (both fast and slow) tend to escape, this means
> that unless you find a really new cool mumbojumbo transuranic stabile
> (oximoron in itself) element, you're stuck to making bombs more (or,
> more often, a little less) than 1/2 cube metre in volume, i.e. about the
> mean path for slow neutrons in stabile fissile elements. This is
> actually more complicated, but the core is this: nuclear devices cannot
> really be very small unless you in some way warp the fundamental laws of
> nature.
>
> Paolo-who-sometimes-likes-to-show-he's-given-"Physics-of-neutrons"-
> (twice)-last-year...

Well you can get it some what smaller if you use some "cheating"
techniques such as Explosive compression of the transuranic to
temporarily increase its density and therefore incress the chance of the
slow neutrons hitting the neuclious of an atom. Or you can use neutron
reflectors to send the "escaping" neutrons back through the mass for a
secound go. Now of course both of these things are not that easy to do
and are more of an art form than a science from what i have gathered over
the years. But i do know you can get a tactical (10kt or so) fission
weapon to fit into a 8 inch artilery shell since the US army actualy
fielded such a weapon for a number of years. Then again an 8 inch shell
isnt very small :)

Thomas Price
AKA The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
Message no. 8
From: Andrew K <nietzche_2k@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:36:32 -0700
<*snip* stuff about small nukes>

I think the point was using a radioactive isotope, not unlike those
used in hospitals, to track someone. This would be quite useful,
especially when common bug screens don't include a geiger counter. In
a way, this is not unlike the Doom monoclonal antibody, although it
has a much more benign purpose.


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Message no. 9
From: "Paolo Falko, Explorer" <Falco@****.IT>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:22:58 +0200
11:19, 11 Sep 98,, The Bookworm writes:

> Well you can get it some what smaller if you use some "cheating"
> techniques such as [...] But i do know you can get a tactical
> (10kt or so) fission weapon to fit into a 8 inch artilery shell
> since the US army actualy fielded such a weapon for a number of
> years. Then again an 8 inch shell isnt very small :)

I do agree. Especially on the 8 inch part. Ah, and on the fact that
it is a metal shell, etc. etc. etc. We're talking plastic millimeters
when we speak about a narcojet, no?

Not to mention the "Paranoia"-like stupidity that you need to shoot
100 metres away something that radiates in a kilometre-wide radius :)
:) :)

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Message no. 10
From: Tomus Cone <brother_1@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:22:04 PDT
><*snip* stuff about small nukes>
>
>I think the point was using a radioactive isotope, not unlike those
>used in hospitals, to track someone.
>Andrew K.
>
That's how I read it. Thankful for the input about this. Could always
"paint" someone's vehicle with a similar mixture for same results.

I was kinda looking for a way to track vehicles and still look like it
was just part of combat. Thought a narcoject with a tracking round in it
might be the way to go. Tracking people wasn't exactly what I had in
mind, but it might do the trick.

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Message no. 11
From: mike <raven.nexus@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:34:22 +0100
11:19, 11 Sep 98,, The Bookworm writes:

> Well you can get it some what smaller if you use some "cheating"
> techniques such as [...] But i do know you can get a tactical
> (10kt or so) fission weapon to fit into a 8 inch artilery shell
> since the US army actualy fielded such a weapon for a number of
> years. Then again an 8 inch shell isnt very small :)

I do agree. Especially on the 8 inch part. Ah, and on the fact that
it is a metal shell, etc. etc. etc. We're talking plastic millimeters
when we speak about a narcojet, no?

Not to mention the "Paranoia"-like stupidity that you need to shoot
100 metres away something that radiates in a kilometre-wide radius :)
:) :)

"Doktor" Paolo Falco, Explorer Falco@****.iT


I was thinking on a more personnel level for individual termination of high
level targets using a high pressure version of the rifle with a much smaller
blast radius, and just a idea for possible R&D department of my corporation
to try.

mike (Raven :Global technologies)
Message no. 12
From: Andrew K <nietzche_2k@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:30:08 -0700
> I was kinda looking for a way to track vehicles and still look like it
> was just part of combat. Thought a narcoject with a tracking round
in it
> might be the way to go. Tracking people wasn't exactly what I had in
> mind, but it might do the trick.
>

Just a trusty spidey tracer should do the trick. Actually, though, a
small magnetic type of blunt dart might work. The head could be a
micro electromagnet, and the body could be a transmitter and some
small circuitry.


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Message no. 13
From: Tomus Cone <brother_1@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:27:43 PDT
>Just a trusty spidey tracer should do the trick.
>Andrew K.

Okay, I've got rough estimates on the stats. Any idea what that would
cost in game? I'm looking at about 120 IRL.


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Message no. 14
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:03:10 +0200
According to Tomus Cone, at 14:27 on 13 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> Okay, I've got rough estimates on the stats. Any idea what that would
> cost in game? I'm looking at about 120 IRL.

If you have a cost in Monopoly money, erm... I mean US dollars ;) you can
convert it to nuyen on a 1:1 ration. If your gadget costs about US$120, it
can cost about 120 nuyen in SR.

Exceptions to this would be items of which similar ones exist in SR, but
that have competely different prices. If, for example, a piece of
electronics in SR costs 1,000 nuyen but IRL it's only US$50, then if you
make a similar one it should cost about 1,000 nuyen too, IMO.

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Message no. 15
From: Leszek Karlik aka Mike <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:24:34 +0000
On 11 Sep 98, Paolo Falko, Explorer disseminated foul capitalist
propaganda by writing:

[...]
> Nuclear, no way jimmo. You need to achieve "critical mass" to have a
> reaction, i.e. the total coefficient of the "four factor" equation
> needs to be more than 1. meaning that you need at least one reusable
> neutron for every used neutron. SInce neutrons (both fast and slow)
> tend to escape, this means that unless you find a really new cool
> mumbojumbo transuranic stabile (oximoron in itself) element, you're
> stuck to making bombs more (or, more often, a little less) than 1/2
> cube metre in volume, i.e. about the mean path for slow neutrons in
> stabile fissile elements. This is actually more complicated, but the
> core is this: nuclear devices cannot really be very small unless you
> in some way warp the fundamental laws of nature.

Yes, they can. Use collapsing californium rounds. Heh.

Of course, the radioactive decay for californium means the rounds are
going to be useful for a very short time... but yes, you can make
nuclear bullets.

I first saw the idea in 'Striker' (any Traveller fans out here, BTW?
:)). They used nuclear damper fields that lowered the rate of decay
to store the bullets. And the bullets are hollow and made of
californium. When they hit, they compact and...
BOOM. :>

Hmmm...

Waitaminute. If you put the bullets into a locked or
quickened 'stasis' type spell... Hmmm... Hmmm...

<evil GM grin>


> Paolo-who-sometimes-likes-to-show-he's-given-"Physics-of-neutrons"-
> (twice)-last-year...
Leslie, hard-sf geek and physics-student-to-be-soon ;)))

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Message no. 16
From: Wordman <wordman@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:31:27 -0400
Leszek Karlik wrote:
>Yes, they can. Use collapsing californium rounds. Heh.
>
>Of course, the radioactive decay for californium means the rounds are
>going to be useful for a very short time... but yes, you can make
>nuclear bullets.

Isn't californium the most expensive material on earth?
Message no. 17
From: Leszek Karlik aka Mike <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: Narcoject
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:18:46 +0000
On 21 Sep 98, Wordman disseminated foul capitalist propaganda by
writing:

> >Of course, the radioactive decay for californium means the rounds are
> >going to be useful for a very short time... but yes, you can make
> >nuclear bullets.
>
> Isn't californium the most expensive material on earth?

I haven't got the faintest idea, actually. It probably is pretty hard
to obtain, but then, so's He3 or stuff like that. :))

Leslie

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