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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:41:55 +0200
It seems to me that with all the talk about intelligence organizations,
there's an interest in doing a book about that subject.

However, I have the feeling that just intelligence agencies won't fill a
whole book, therefore I suggest an idea that was kicked around a few weeks
ago: NERPS: Organizations.

This book would deal with any kind of organization that exists in the
Sixth World, such as:

Corporations*
Crime syndicates*
Gangs
Governmental agencies (intelligence, IRS, police, sanitation, etc.)
Policlubs/Political parties
Religions
Shadowrunner groups
...and more! :)

* Although not too much about these because some of FASA's books (will)
cover them pretty well

What I also suggest we do is reset the list -- this is something Rob
Hayden used to do after every NERPS project was finished, so as to start
afresh with only those people who are really interested in doing the new
project (because those will re-sub).

Sound good?

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Message no. 2
From: bernlad <bernlad@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:52:19 -0700
Gurth wrote:

> It seems to me that with all the talk about intelli
> there's an interest in doing a book about that subject.
>
> However, I have the feeling that just intelligence agencies won't fill a
> whole book, therefore I suggest an idea that was kicked around a few weeks
> ago: NERPS: Organizations.
>
>

Personally I suspect that a great deal of material can be produced on the
Intelligence game if the field of tradecraft is explored, and then there are
the tools of the trade.
So kicking it around some more might be a good idea.
-Bernlad
Message no. 3
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:58:04 -0400
On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Gurth wrote:

->What I also suggest we do is reset the list -- this is something Rob
->Hayden used to do after every NERPS project was finished, so as to start
->afresh with only those people who are really interested in doing the new
->project (because those will re-sub).

As long as an Email is sent out WHEN the list is reset, otherwise
people like myself will never know (because of RN).

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Message no. 4
From: Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:19:43 -0600
At 02:52 9/12/98 -0700, bernlad wrote
>Gurth wrote:
>
>> It seems to me that with all the talk about intelli
>> there's an interest in doing a book about that subject.
>>
>> However, I have the feeling that just intelligence agencies won't fill a
>> whole book, therefore I suggest an idea that was kicked around a few weeks
>> ago: NERPS: Organizations.

> Personally I suspect that a great deal of material can be produced on the
>Intelligence game if the field of tradecraft is explored, and then there are
>the tools of the trade.

The problem that I've seen with the Intelligence idea is a lack of people
to author it. With Organizations, everyone should be able to help out
because almost everyone has created something that could fit into that book.

We could fit a few intelligence organizations into NERPS: Organizations,
and if feedback was decent, perhaps spin it off into a mini-book.

Right now we need a book that NERPS will -finish- before hell freezes over.

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Message no. 5
From: Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:30:57 -0600
At 10:58 9/12/98 -0400, David Foster wrote

> As long as an Email is sent out WHEN the list is reset, otherwise
>people like myself will never know (because of RN).

What happens is the FAQ is posted, then the current project guidelines are
posted, then a "Please only resubscribe if you're going to participate in
the next project, because we'll warn everyone when the next project starts
so you won't miss out" type message is posted, then everyone on the list is
deleted.

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Message no. 6
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:22:04 -0500
> Personally I suspect that a great deal of material can be produced on the
>Intelligence game if the field of tradecraft is explored, and then there
are
>the tools of the trade.
> So kicking it around some more might be a good idea.

It's possible, but I think kicking it around in the context of an
Organizations book would be better, so even if we don't get enough for a
whole book on the Intel subject, we can still get that info out in the Intel
section of Organizations.

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Message no. 7
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:20:57 -0500
>It seems to me that with all the talk about intelligence organizations,
>there's an interest in doing a book about that subject.

Somewhat, though I was thinking of it in terms of other things.

>However, I have the feeling that just intelligence agencies won't fill a
>whole book, therefore I suggest an idea that was kicked around a few weeks
>ago: NERPS: Organizations.

Works for me.

Is STUFF still an active project?

>This book would deal with any kind of organization that exists in the
>Sixth World, such as:

<snip list>

I like those. Would a rock band comprised of a lot of ex-runners fit in
there, do you think? I've been banging that idea around in my head for a
little while, and don't know exactly what to do with it. They're not
exactly a shadowrunner group anymore, but they can still get the job done if
they have to.

>* Although not too much about these because some of FASA's books (will)
>cover them pretty well

I presume that smaller corps (big locals or nationals, even baby megas) that
don't interfere too much with the FASA scene would be acceptable?

>What I also suggest we do is reset the list -- this is something Rob
>Hayden used to do after every NERPS project was finished, so as to start
>afresh with only those people who are really interested in doing the new
>project (because those will re-sub).

As long as there's some mention of it before hand so I'll actually remember
*to* re-sub, I think it's a good idea.

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Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:18:00 +0200
According to Adam J, at 9:19 on 12 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> > Personally I suspect that a great deal of material can be produced on the
> >Intelligence game if the field of tradecraft is explored, and then there are
> >the tools of the trade.
>
> The problem that I've seen with the Intelligence idea is a lack of people
> to author it. With Organizations, everyone should be able to help out
> because almost everyone has created something that could fit into that book.

Ah good, I don't need to post a message saying that now :) I agree with
Adam here: limiting a book to just intelligence organizations is going to
go the same was as NERPS: DragonLore -- 1) not enough material for a book
about dragons alone, so let's also include other paranormals. 2) Not enoug
material on paranormals so let's add it into ShadowLore II. 3) ShadowLore
II didn't materialize because the editor didn't have the time and quit the
list (okay, not much chance of that last thing happening, but still...)

Therefore, I suggest we do a book about any kind of organization you want
to write about, from intelligence agencies to international street mime
conspiracies if it suits your fancy.

Also, I kinda get the impression that some people think writing about
organizations in general and not just about intelligence agencies means
the ideas for intelligence agencies will be ignored. They will not. Like I
said above, you can write about them if you want to, and I'm certainly not
going to try and stop you. It's just that other stuff would be very
welcome too.

> Right now we need a book that NERPS will -finish- before hell freezes over.

Damn right.

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Message no. 9
From: Tomus Cone <brother_1@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:00:16 PDT
>However, I have the feeling that just intelligence agencies won't >fill
a whole book,

Based on the many books I've got layin' around, I'd have to disagree.
I'd also suggest that it weren't about the agencies alone, but about the
techniques and gear/spells used by said agencies.

>therefore I suggest an idea that was kicked around a few weeks
>ago: NERPS: Organizations.
>such as:
>
> Corporations*
> Crime syndicates*
> Gangs
> Governmental agencies (intelligence, IRS, police, sanitation,
etc.)
> Policlubs/Political parties
> Religions
> Shadowrunner groups
> ...and more! :)
>
>* Although not too much about these because some of FASA's books (will)
>cover them pretty well

Actually a Gangs/Policlub/Religion book might be pretty good. I'd like
to see something like that.

>
>What I also suggest we do is reset the list -- this is something Rob
>Hayden used to do after every NERPS project was finished, so as to
start
>afresh with only those people who are really interested in doing the
new
>project (because those will re-sub).
>
>Sound good?

No sir, I don't like it. I think we've had a fairly decent stream of
thought on the subject of intelligence, although we've digressed on a
few occassions. I'm also not sure that resetting the list would have the
right effect. If there's anyone out there not interested in the subject,
I'd think they'd leave of their own accord. If there's a subject out
there that people feel needs addressing, they should mention it. If the
other fields of "organizations" are to be addressed, cool, if
not...<shrug>.

I'll shut up now, at least for the moment.

>
>--
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Message no. 10
From: Tomus Cone <brother_1@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:23:32 PDT
>> Personally I suspect that a great deal of material can be produced
Let's get cracking, shall we?
Topics in Intelligence:
Key locations and facilities
Decking
Magic
Gear
Technique

Anyone else have "The Whole Spy Catalog"? Seen "Sneakers"?
Alright. I'll start up an article. Mostly on technique. If it makes
orgs, if it makes Int, either way.



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Message no. 11
From: Andrew Spurgeon <DragonC147@***.COM>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:32:21 EDT
In a message dated 98-09-12 05:43:37 EDT, you write:

<<
However, I have the feeling that just intelligence agencies won't fill a
whole book, therefore I suggest an idea that was kicked around a few weeks
ago: NERPS: Organizations.

This book would deal with any kind of organization that exists in the
Sixth World, such as:

Corporations*
Crime syndicates*
Gangs
Governmental agencies (intelligence, IRS, police, sanitation, etc.)
Policlubs/Political parties
Religions
Shadowrunner groups
...and more! :)

* Although not too much about these because some of FASA's books (will)
cover them pretty well

What I also suggest we do is reset the list -- this is something Rob
Hayden used to do after every NERPS project was finished, so as to start
afresh with only those people who are really interested in doing the new
project (because those will re-sub). >>


About the corporations, what about corporations made by us? Besides the ones
FASA made, in the corporate Shadowfiles book there are rules for creating a
Corporation. I was wondering if it would work to submit them to this book.

Dragon Claw
Message no. 12
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:59:00 +1000
>About the corporations, what about corporations made by us? Besides the ones
>FASA made, in the corporate Shadowfiles book there are rules for creating a
>Corporation. I was wondering if it would work to submit them to this book.

As far as I'm concerned, that's the kind of stuff I really -want- to see in
a NERPS: Organisations book. It's so much work to flesh out ONE corp, let
alone the thousands required for a coherent gameworld...

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 13
From: Andrew K <nietzche_2k@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:30:31 -0700
---Gurth <gurth@******.NL> wrote:
> Therefore, I suggest we do a book about any kind of organization you
want
> to write about, from intelligence agencies to international street
mime
> conspiracies if it suits your fancy.
>

So this could in one way be a kind of NERPS Threats? I just want to
be clear, doesn't mean I'm going to do it.


==
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Message no. 14
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:46:36 +0200
According to Tomus Cone, at 13:00 on 12 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> >However, I have the feeling that just intelligence agencies won't fill
> > a whole book,
>
> Based on the many books I've got layin' around, I'd have to disagree.

You have books about RL intelligence agencies lying around. However, I
doubt we'll ever see an SR book with detailed pictures of a GMC Banshee in
all its variants, yet I have several dozen books about modern AFVs that do
exactly that.

Okay, I know that's not an _entirely_ fair comparison, but I hope you get
my point -- namely, that even though a lot can be written about something,
it's not always _necessary_ to do that for SR. Also, the thread about
intelligence agencies is mainly held up by a very small number of people,
probably those who have an interest in it and can write about it for SR,
but the rest of the list can't really help out in that respect.

That's why I maintain that doing a book about organizations in general
will work much better, since it's not a narrow topic, so everyone who
wants to can contribute.

> I'd also suggest that it weren't about the agencies alone, but about the
> techniques and gear/spells used by said agencies.

Yes, I understand that. However, that can be fitted into a text about
intelligence agencies in general that could also be in the book. Most
likely, it'd be divided into chapters for each different kind of group,
and so the Intelligence Agencies chapter could be started with a text
explaining them and their methods in general, after which would follow
short descriptions of specific agencies.

> No sir, I don't like it.

Well, I don't like the idea of doing intelligence agencies only...

> I think we've had a fairly decent stream of
> thought on the subject of intelligence, although we've digressed on a
> few occassions.

See above.

> I'm also not sure that resetting the list would have the
> right effect. If there's anyone out there not interested in the subject,
> I'd think they'd leave of their own accord.

No, they don't. NERPS generates very few posts, so I think most people who
aren't interested in it will just leave it on and not bother with it. They
don't slow us down or anything, but I still think it's a good idea to
reset the list before each new project. It worked for Rob Hayden, andat
least he got books off the ground _and_ finished, whereas we're currently
experiencing quite some problems with that last bit.

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Message no. 15
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:46:37 +0200
According to Lady Jestyr, at 13:59 on 13 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> >About the corporations, what about corporations made by us? Besides the ones
> >FASA made, in the corporate Shadowfiles book there are rules for creating a
> >Corporation. I was wondering if it would work to submit them to this book.

Yes, they'd be fair game. What I was mainly trying to avoid (but didn't
make all that clear) are megacorps. Corporate Download will likely cover
those in detail, and smaller corps only in passing, so those would be a
good thing to include.

As for the rating system from Shadowfiles, I think we should use that.
Although the book's out of print, at least it can be used even by people
who don't own Shadowfiles to see the corp's strong and weak areas at a
glance. A short explanation of the stats ("1 = poor, 10 = really good")
would suffice, IMHO.

> As far as I'm concerned, that's the kind of stuff I really -want- to see in
> a NERPS: Organisations book. It's so much work to flesh out ONE corp, let
> alone the thousands required for a coherent gameworld...

I would just like to see other organizations included, too, and not make
this a book filled with corporations (or intelligence agencies :)

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Message no. 16
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:46:37 +0200
According to Patrick Goodman, at 11:20 on 12 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> Is STUFF still an active project?

Not sure... We did get one or two submissions the other week, but that
still only brings the total number up to about 10 or so. Not really enough
to do anything with, I'm afraid.

> >This book would deal with any kind of organization that exists in the
> >Sixth World, such as:
>
> <snip list>
>
> I like those. Would a rock band comprised of a lot of ex-runners fit in
> there, do you think?

Sure, they can count as an organization, so if they have some kind of
agenda of their own they can go in.

Maybe that's a good criterium: any organization that has some kind of
agenda or goal can be in the book.

> >* Although not too much about these because some of FASA's books (will)
> >cover them pretty well
>
> I presume that smaller corps (big locals or nationals, even baby megas) that
> don't interfere too much with the FASA scene would be acceptable?

Yes.

> As long as there's some mention of it before hand so I'll actually remember
> *to* re-sub, I think it's a good idea.

Of course. There'll be a message saying "The list will be reset around
such and such a time on <date>."

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Message no. 17
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:02:27 +1000
>> As far as I'm concerned, that's the kind of stuff I really -want- to see in
>> a NERPS: Organisations book. It's so much work to flesh out ONE corp, let
>> alone the thousands required for a coherent gameworld...
>
>I would just like to see other organizations included, too, and not make
>this a book filled with corporations (or intelligence agencies :)

That's why I said the *kind* of stuff. Corps are probably the most
complicated to generate, but the gameworld is supposed to have thousands of
corps, gangs, magic groups, intel organisations, yadda yadda... the more
you can show the players of the gameworld's workings, the more coherent a
feel your game will have - but to flesh out more than a tiny percentage of
that would take any single GM more time than any of us have. :)

In a round about way, I'm agreeing with you. :)

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 18
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:20:49 -0500
>> Is STUFF still an active project?
>
>Not sure... We did get one or two submissions the other week, but that
>still only brings the total number up to about 10 or so. Not really enough
>to do anything with, I'm afraid.

Well, I'll throw something out for it anyway here shortly and we'll see what
happens. I can always incorporate the stuff I'm building into the
corporation entry for the company that built it, which I also plan on
writing up here shortly.

>> Would a rock band comprised of a lot of ex-runners fit in
>> there, do you think?
>
>Sure, they can count as an organization, so if they have some kind of
>agenda of their own they can go in.

I feel reasonably certain that this can be arranged.

>> As long as there's some mention of it before hand so I'll actually
remember
>> *to* re-sub, I think it's a good idea.
>
>Of course. There'll be a message saying "The list will be reset around
>such and such a time on <date>."

Then that works for me.

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Message no. 19
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:56:58 +0200
According to Andrew K, at 3:30 on 13 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> So this could in one way be a kind of NERPS Threats? I just want to
> be clear, doesn't mean I'm going to do it.

Yes and no. Threats is an okay book, but the trouble with it is that
you'll never use even half of it (at least, I won't). High-powered
organizations are okay, but we shouldn't try to fill a book with them --
normal things would be much better IMO, like small corporations, street
gangs, policlubs, and so on.

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Message no. 20
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:33:32 -0400
<snip intelligence agencies>

Ok, well, I, for one, cannot be held to any timeschedule so, if I
get the green light from Gurth, I'll just post anything my brain thinks up
and he can put it wherever it fits. I'll be posting Golems for SR,
creation, enchantment, time, difficulties and "real world explanations".
I've already posted on my web page rules for Immortal PCs (like
Highlanders only to my own custom style), modular drones (Lego drones ]:-)
) and a piece of drug-cyber I was working on (which, BTW, none of my
players wants, as it's a bad idea as MBW). Gurth, I'm giving you
permission to use anything in my directory at
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/Shadowrun/ in the NERPS
suppliments (but if you make any money with it, I'd like some...) ]:-)
It'll be easier for me to upload things to my page and just say
what I've done in here and then have someone grab it from there (so
bandwidth is preserved as well).

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Message no. 21
From: "Mark J. Steedman" <Mark@******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:52:13 +0000
Patrick Goodman writes

> I like those. Would a rock band comprised of a lot of ex-runners fit in
> there, do you think? I've been banging that idea around in my head for a
> little while, and don't know exactly what to do with it. They're not
> exactly a shadowrunner group anymore, but they can still get the job done if
> they have to.

We once got as far as the early stages of doing this actually as a
group of PC's but the GM pulled the game out from under us before it
got too far.
Assuming you have a suitable character with the skill at singing and
some musical skill amongst the party this is actually quiet a good
way to retire as runners. You probably have the skills at hacking,
bribery and information gatehring to get places and set things up.
You may well have the street level contacts to get gigs early on (say
at various bars the team has frequented), you may even know a few
real stars (from bodyguarding jobs, rescues etc) who can give you
some simple for them but very very useful breaks. also in a world
where staying indenpendent of the corps is a serious pain runners are
some of the few people used to doing this (and whos 'don't do this to
our operation' the corps 'special operations' division might take as
not worth the aggro, assuming you don't step on toes). It's also
amazing what a decker can do for your performance plans and a skill
mags can do to things like the carisma of the starlet and the SFX
department. Sammies easily do as bodyguards (are are darned good at
the job often enough) and with all that kit the uses for a rigger
well.
Ok still not easy but you have a head start and it's a lot less
likely to get you shot than breaking into Aztechnology again!

Mark
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Message no. 22
From: Tomus Cone <brother_1@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:37:15 PDT
>even though a lot can be written about something, it's not always
>_necessary_ to do that for SR.

Agreed.


>> No sir, I don't like it.
>
>Well, I don't like the idea of doing intelligence agencies only...

Sorry, I don't think I got around to my point on this one. I was trying
to say that an organization book was cool, even something I might enjoy
helping out with, but some of those had been done already, and I didn't
think needed to be done again. Recent posts have made me rethink that
line of thought.

>least he got books off the ground _and_ finished, whereas we're
>currently experiencing quite some problems with that last bit.

Okay. I'm still oppossed to the reset thing, but now I don't have
anything logical to contribute as to why.

>Gurth

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Message no. 23
From: Brian and Shannon Seagroves <bcsnskm@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:04:42 -0000
Quick question...

Been working on an article concerning The realities of Special Operations
in the Military for the intelligence book. Is there any interest in this or
should I just shelve it and work on something else.. Some input would be
greatly appreciated..

Thanks in advance

Brian Seagroves...
Message no. 24
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:54:34 -0500
From: Brian and Shannon Seagroves <bcsnskm@*********.NET>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 5:14 PM

> Been working on an article concerning The realities of Special
Operations
>in the Military for the intelligence book. Is there any interest in this or
>should I just shelve it and work on something else.. Some input would be
>greatly appreciated..

Throw it out for inclusion in the Organizations book. I'm all for something
like that.

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Message no. 25
From: Geoff Skellams <geoff.skellams@*********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:05:16 +1000
On Net Enhancements for Roleplaying Shadowrun,
Gurth[SMTP:gurth@******.NL] wrote:
> It seems to me that with all the talk about intelligence
organizations,
> However, I have the feeling that just intelligence agencies won't fill
a
> whole book, therefore I suggest an idea that was kicked around a few
weeks
> ago: NERPS: Organizations.
>
> This book would deal with any kind of organization that exists in the
> Sixth World, such as:
>
> Corporations*
> Crime syndicates*
> Gangs
> Governmental agencies (intelligence, IRS, police, sanitation,
etc.)
> Policlubs/Political parties
> Religions
> Shadowrunner groups
> ...and more! :)
>
Woo Hoo. I'm happy with this idea.

> * Although not too much about these because some of FASA's books
(will)
> cover them pretty well
>
For corps, I would suggest that we put an upper limit on the
rating of the corps. I would suggest that we don't do anything about an
A rated corp, with preference for small ones, with say less than 50
employees, in some niche markets.
You could possibly also discuss who owns them, in terms of
whether they are wholely owned by the proprietors, or whether they are a
subsiduary of one of the megacorps.
A few holding companies could also be really useful.

If you like, you can have the Australian corps I posted a couple
of months back as one of the first entries. I can repost it if you like.

> What I also suggest we do is reset the list -- this is something Rob
> Hayden used to do after every NERPS project was finished, so as to
start
> afresh with only those people who are really interested in doing the
new
> project (because those will re-sub).
>
> Sound good?

Doesn't worry me, as long as you let people know this is what you are
going to do.

cheers
G
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Message no. 26
From: Max Lietzen <mlietzen@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:41:56 CDT
> Been working on an article concerning The realities of Special
>Operations in the Military for the intelligence book. Is there any
>interest in this or should I just shelve it and work on something
>else.. Some input would be greatly appreciated..
> Brian Seagroves...


I would be greatly interested, and am curious anyway about that subject.

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Message no. 27
From: The Baxters <baxter@******.NET>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:29:38 -0500
> From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
> To: NERPS@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
> Yes and no. Threats is an okay book, but the trouble with it is that
> you'll never use even half of it (at least, I won't). High-powered
> organizations are okay, but we shouldn't try to fill a book with them
--
> normal things would be much better IMO, like small corporations,
street
> gangs, policlubs, and so on.

This was my take on the new proposed project. Everyone
needs to flesh out their campaign and the more smaller
everyday things you have, the more you can build a complete
picture for the players. :-)

That chain store down the street, the gang that demands
protection money from the Mom and Pop grocery store on
the corner, and who is stirring up trouble in the PC's neighborhood.
That all goes to complete the overall picture you build. At least
it should, IMO.

Termite
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Message no. 28
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:03:10 +0200
According to David Foster, at 13:33 on 13 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> Ok, well, I, for one, cannot be held to any timeschedule so, if I
> get the green light from Gurth, I'll just post anything my brain thinks up
> and he can put it wherever it fits.

Hmm... Actually, I'd rather you didn't just post anything and
everything... Unless there's a real interest in keeping NERPS: Stuff
going, that is. (Is there?) If we do want to finish Stuff, then what I
want you to do is post the items to the list with a clear identifier that
they're submissions for NERPS: Stuff (preferably using a "[Stuff]" tag in
the subject line).

> Gurth, I'm giving you
> permission to use anything in my directory at
> http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/Shadowrun/ in the NERPS
> suppliments

I'd rather see it posted to the list -- NERPS isn't me, it's this mailing
list. Anything the list doesn't want in the books won't go in, it's not my
decision alone.

> (but if you make any money with it, I'd like some...) ]:-)

Yeah, right (that goes for the bits before _and_ after the comma :)

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Message no. 29
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:08:59 -0400
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Gurth wrote:

->According to David Foster, at 13:33 on 13 Sep 98, the word on the street was...
->
->> Ok, well, I, for one, cannot be held to any timeschedule so, if I
->> get the green light from Gurth, I'll just post anything my brain thinks up
->> and he can put it wherever it fits.
->
->Hmm... Actually, I'd rather you didn't just post anything and
->everything... Unless there's a real interest in keeping NERPS: Stuff
->going, that is. (Is there?) If we do want to finish Stuff, then what I
->want you to do is post the items to the list with a clear identifier that
->they're submissions for NERPS: Stuff (preferably using a "[Stuff]" tag in
->the subject line).

Hmmm... given my lack of ability to pay attention and remember
things (like, what projects ARE happening) it'll be hard but I'll try.

->> Gurth, I'm giving you
->> permission to use anything in my directory at
->> http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/Shadowrun/ in the NERPS
->> suppliments
->
->I'd rather see it posted to the list -- NERPS isn't me, it's this mailing
->list. Anything the list doesn't want in the books won't go in, it's not my
->decision alone.

OKay, I'll post it here, but I warn ye, I'm long-winded. ]:-)

->> (but if you make any money with it, I'd like some...) ]:-)
->
->Yeah, right (that goes for the bits before _and_ after the comma :)

<whiny sobby look>
But... but.... but...
</look>
]:-)

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Message no. 30
From: Tomus Cone <brother_1@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:54:02 PDT
> Been working on an article concerning The realities of Special
>Operations in the Military for the intelligence book. Is there any
>interest in this
> Brian Seagroves...
>
I think the bulk of Intel in the organizations book is going to
concentrate on the agencies. While a Special/Covert ops section would
enhance this...

I don't know. I like it.


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Message no. 31
From: Andrew K <nietzche_2k@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: NERPS: Organizations -- new project?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:59:50 -0700
> That's why I said the *kind* of stuff. Corps are probably the most
> complicated to generate, but the gameworld is supposed to have
thousands of
> corps, gangs, magic groups, intel organisations, yadda yadda... the
more
> you can show the players of the gameworld's workings, the more
coherent a
> feel your game will have - but to flesh out more than a tiny
percentage of
> that would take any single GM more time than any of us have. :)

Well, to cut down on your time, check out Paradox Press' Factoid
Books. They put out Big Books of weird subjects (Like the Big Book of
Freaks) Anyway, I picked up the Big Book of Thugs last night, which
along with the Little Criminals and Conspiracies Big Books, provides
lots of good game material. Best of all, Borders and Barnes and Noble
carry them, so you can read them in the store!


==
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