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Message no. 1
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: New project!
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:16:33 +0100
Okay everybody, Underworld is as good as finished, and should be out Real
Soon Now. With that behind us, we can look to the next project: more
specifically, what will it be?

Any ideas for the next NERPS project are welcome on this list, the more
the better.

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Message no. 2
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:32:55 -0700
Gurth wrote:
>
> Okay everybody, Underworld is as good as finished, and should be out Real
> Soon Now. With that behind us, we can look to the next project: more
> specifically, what will it be?
>
> Any ideas for the next NERPS project are welcome on this list, the more
> the better.

I could really use an expanded magic book, maybe something along the
lines of a Neo-Anarchists' Guide to Magic. That might explain more on
the meta-planes, behind the scenes stuff on spirit's and elementals
psyche/forms and such, maybe some more collections of magical
groups...and so on.

@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Message no. 3
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:00:28 -0700
Loki wrote:
>
> Gurth wrote:
> >
> > Okay everybody, Underworld is as good as finished, and should be out Real
> > Soon Now. With that behind us, we can look to the next project: more
> > specifically, what will it be?
> >
> > Any ideas for the next NERPS project are welcome on this list, the more
> > the better.
>
> I could really use an expanded magic book, maybe something along the
> lines of a Neo-Anarchists' Guide to Magic. That might explain more on
> the meta-planes, behind the scenes stuff on spirit's and elementals
> psyche/forms and such, maybe some more collections of magical
> groups...and so on.

Also, a tie-in guidebook for Shadowrun/Earthdawn might be interesting...

@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Message no. 4
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:34:00 GMT
Loki writes

> Loki wrote:
> >
> > Gurth wrote:
> > >
> > > Okay everybody, Underworld is as good as finished, and should be out Real
> > > Soon Now. With that behind us, we can look to the next project: more
> > > specifically, what will it be?
> > >
> > > Any ideas for the next NERPS project are welcome on this list, the more
> > > the better.
> >
> > I could really use an expanded magic book, maybe something along the
> > lines of a Neo-Anarchists' Guide to Magic. That might explain more on
> > the meta-planes,
I recon i've worked quite a bit out on that. There is however info in
the ED magic book, but if i buy it to find out i'll have to read the
lot to make it worth it and that will annoy the ED GM.

> > behind the scenes stuff on spirit's and elementals
> > psyche/forms and such, maybe some more collections of magical
> > groups...and so on.
Yes the ones in GR2 are oh so useful to PC's

Now we know whats in Awakenings and it looks like the Companioin will
only cover fluctuating magic levels, nothing more theres less chance
of repeating FASA, and i have some stuff i have so far kept very very
quite i've been working on least players ever find out <gm smirk>
even though i think i'm still safe from any accessing the lists.

>
> Also, a tie-in guidebook for Shadowrun/Earthdawn might be interesting...
>
Certainly but only to some of us. The old ED/SR crossovers file that
at shadowland amongst others is very out of date, and at least in my
opinion contains errors, but those were most likely due to lack of
data when it was written.
The editors job on this though could be a fair amount of work

> @>- ,- - '- - - Loki >
Mark
Message no. 5
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:04:11 +0100
Mark Steedman said on 13:34/20 Sep 96...

> I recon i've worked quite a bit out on that. There is however info in
> the ED magic book, but if i buy it to find out i'll have to read the
> lot to make it worth it and that will annoy the ED GM.

I don't see why, really. It look to me like it's aimed at players and GMs,
not GMs only (unlike Horrors, for example) much like Awakenings in SR.

> > > behind the scenes stuff on spirit's and elementals
> > > psyche/forms and such, maybe some more collections of magical
> > > groups...and so on.
> Yes the ones in GR2 are oh so useful to PC's

However, remember that there shouldn't be a magical group lodging in
every building. It's nice to come up with loads of magical groups,
ranging from harmless to major adventure villains, but there shouldn't be
too many either.

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Message no. 6
From: Matt W <Matt@******.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:55:51 GMT
On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:16:33 +0100, you wrote:

>Okay everybody, Underworld is as good as finished, and should be out Real
>Soon Now. With that behind us, we can look to the next project: more
>specifically, what will it be?
>
>Any ideas for the next NERPS project are welcome on this list, the more
>the better.
I've been thinking a bit (shock horror)
How about...

_Space_
Something concrete on the orbitals, Mars colonys (see the big D's
secrets for some *scarey* piccies).
Maybe some extension or variation to magic that allows it to work up
there...

_Shadowrunner Orgs_
What about runner organisations? With intel on meetings, members,
locations and the sort of things that a runner could obtain from the
org (guns, runs, contacts, background on possible runs etc.)
There could be a regular newsletter sent out to members...

_A New Corp_
<Gulp> Something way out! One with the ability to make the Megas
think twice (with enough punch to stay independant). Or even one thats
been working behind the scenes.

Or (dare I say it)
_Artificial Intelligence_
More clear details, with rules and possible 'personalities'.

_Otaku Society_
How do they live? ettiquette. 'Religous' practices and theory. How
do those living at the Denver Datahaven obtain food, supplies, funds?
What about contacts with the outside world?

Thoughts? opinions?



Matt.
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"What truth lies beyond? A perplexing question,
but one with a simple answer: All. Now, do we
have the courage to look upon it?"
-Alain Vespair, Metaphysicist.

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Message no. 7
From: Jens Hage <jhage@**.com>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:17:37 -0500 (CDT)
On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, Matt W wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:16:33 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >Okay everybody, Underworld is as good as finished, and should be out Real
> >Soon Now. With that behind us, we can look to the next project: more
> >specifically, what will it be?
> >
> >Any ideas for the next NERPS project are welcome on this list, the more
> >the better.
> I've been thinking a bit (shock horror)
> How about...

Hello. I'm new to the list so excuse any mistakes, but perhaps a social
registry? Sorta like expanding Shadowbeat; Michael Jackson, Madonna etc,
of 2057? People 2057?

Jens "Country boy" Hage
Message no. 8
From: "John Stoneham" <kismet@********.infi.net>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:31:04 +0000
Ummm... throwing out a new project idea:

How about a shadowrunner's handbook? Like Everything You Ever Wanted
to Know about Shadowrunning, or How to Shadowrun... something GMs
could show their newbie players, etc. I saw a file running around
somewhere called Shadowrunning 101 or something like that... I guess
an overview of security measures, meets, weaponry, whatever...
everything a new shadowrunner would need to know.

I'd say 'just my 2 cents,' but that's real cliche so I won't. :)

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Message no. 9
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 01:44:26 -0400 (EDT)
At 15:55 9/21/96 GMT, you wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:16:33 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>Okay everybody, Underworld is as good as finished, and should be out Real
>>Soon Now. With that behind us, we can look to the next project: more
>>specifically, what will it be?
>>
>>Any ideas for the next NERPS project are welcome on this list, the more
>>the better.
>I've been thinking a bit (shock horror)
>How about...
>
>_Space_
>Something concrete on the orbitals, Mars colonys (see the big D's
>secrets for some *scarey* piccies).
>Maybe some extension or variation to magic that allows it to work up
>there...
>

I Like That one!!!

>Or (dare I say it)
>_Artificial Intelligence_
>More clear details, with rules and possible 'personalities'.
>
>_Otaku Society_
>How do they live? ettiquette. 'Religous' practices and theory. How
>do those living at the Denver Datahaven obtain food, supplies, funds?
>What about contacts with the outside world?
>

Even Better VR 2.4!!!!! :)
Seriously though I agree the Otaku need more fleshing out and We're just the
idiots to do it. Besides I think all Otaku should have a "pet" AI. :)

Sasquatch

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Message no. 10
From: wilsonpj@******.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Peter)
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 23:55:11 -0600 (CST)
Mark wrote:

>Loki writes
>
>>
>> Also, a tie-in guidebook for Shadowrun/Earthdawn might be interesting...
>>
>Certainly but only to some of us. The old ED/SR crossovers file that
>at shadowland amongst others is very out of date, and at least in my
>opinion contains errors, but those were most likely due to lack of
>data when it was written.
>The editors job on this though could be a fair amount of work
>

Any project of this type should have a lot of background info for those of
us who dont have the resources to get all of the ED books, or even get a
sufficient look at them. (flipping through them at the book/game store is
sometimes worse than not seeing them at all)

I have recently joined the list, but a project of this type would limit my
contribution to asking a lot of questions (stupid whenever possible).

Piatro
Message no. 11
From: Erik_Jameson@*****.com
Subject: RE> Re: New project!
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 08:40:31 -0800
RE> Re: New project!
To nerps@********.itribe.net


NOOOOOO!!!!

Can we cut this Earthdawn crossover bit right now? I mean,
of what real use is it for anyone? Are we going to
introduce Obsidimen? Or how about pattern magic? Or why
not something else that would be impossible given the
"world" of Shadowrun?

Sorry to sound so grumpy, but this idea needs to be stopped
now. Any ED crossover is of extremely limited use to SR.
Instead, we should focus in on two other outstanding ideas,
one being the Shadowrunner's Survival Manual and the other
being all kinds of material on Space and the Orbitals.
These ideas, and some others escaping my mind right now, are
of excellent use for SR. They can be used. ED crossovers
are very limited.

Sigh. Please don't make me go back to being
list.member.grumpy...

Erik
The Great Big Sharp Cheddar (arch-nemisis of the Big Giant
Head)
Message no. 12
From: HEDGEHOC@****.DE (Niclas Meier)
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 10:09:00 GMT
>
> Even Better VR 2.4!!!!! :)
> Seriously though I agree the Otaku need more fleshing out and We're just the
> idiots to do it. Besides I think all Otaku should have a "pet" AI. :)

Maybe a good idea ... like mage having this little ghost (when they have
enough Karma :-)) ...

Niclas
Message no. 13
From: "Eric Rosenberg" <edr@*****.net>
Subject: Re: RE> Re: New project!
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:11:00 +0000
Unfortunately I don't have the resources to get even a lot of
Shadowrun books. :P I've only got SR 2nd Ed, but, the idea of Space
and Orbitals sounds great to me. I'd like to work on that. I agree
that a SR/ED crossover stinks of FASA fandom and is pretty
ridiculous, why don't we do a Battletech/SR crossover while we are at
it, or a SR/ST:RPG while we are at it? :) Lets stick to the SR
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Message no. 14
From: "Mr. Style" <emelton@*****.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re: RE> Re: New project!
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT)
On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Eric Rosenberg wrote:

> Unfortunately I don't have the resources to get even a lot of
> Shadowrun books. :P I've only got SR 2nd Ed, but, the idea of Space
> and Orbitals sounds great to me. I'd like to work on that. I agree
> that a SR/ED crossover stinks of FASA fandom and is pretty
> ridiculous, why don't we do a Battletech/SR crossover while we are at
> it, or a SR/ST:RPG while we are at it? :) Lets stick to the SR

I also agree. After all it is NERPS, not NERPS/ED. The Cyberpunk
conversion stuff works because it is the same thin as SR, just without
the magic.

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Message no. 15
From: Erik_Jameson@*****.com
Subject: RE> Re: New project!
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 14:42:29 -0800
RE> Re: New project!
To nerps@********.itribe.net


I would suggest avoiding CP crossovers for a couple of
reasons. First, it's WAY too easy to do. Second, Gurth all
ready has a scad of conversions for CP; all that I think
left to do would be Chromebook 4 stuff. Third, I think it's
generally good policy for NERPS to not copy or convert
anything that isn't FASA. I mean, we could if we wanted to,
it's not like we have any official ties with FASA, but it
would be a good policy.

Erik
------------------------------
Date: 9/23/96 12:21 PM
To: Jameson, Erik
From: nerps@********.itribe.net



On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Eric Rosenberg wrote:

> Unfortunately I don't have the resources to get even a lot
of
> Shadowrun books. :P I've only got SR 2nd Ed, but, the idea
of Space
> and Orbitals sounds great to me. I'd like to work on that.
I agree
> that a SR/ED crossover stinks of FASA fandom and is pretty

> ridiculous, why don't we do a Battletech/SR crossover
while we are at
> it, or a SR/ST:RPG while we are at it? :) Lets stick to
the SR

I also agree. After all it is NERPS, not NERPS/ED. The
Cyberpunk
conversion stuff works because it is the same thin as SR,
just without
the magic.

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Message no. 16
From: Matt Wrycraft <Matt@******.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: RE> Re: New project!
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:50:03 GMT
On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:

>
>On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Eric Rosenberg wrote:

> I also agree. After all it is NERPS, not NERPS/ED. The Cyberpunk
>conversion stuff works because it is the same thin as SR, just without
>the magic.
But wouldn't the ED conversion stuff be the same thing as SR, just
without the 'Cyber'? =)
But seriously...
I agree with you. An ED/SR project would be inappropriate to the
list. I would imagine the writing would come from the minority for a
start. I know nothing about ED and can't imagine that changing. FASA
are dong an 'admirable' job of expanding on the 'fantasy' ideas of SR,
lets do something else.


Matt.W
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"What truth lies beyond? A perplexing question,but
one with a simple answer: All. Now, do we have the
courage to look upon it?"
-Alain Vespair, Metaphysicist.

http://www.mblade.demon.co.uk
Message no. 17
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:35:02 GMT
Matt W writes

> I've been thinking a bit (shock horror)
> How about...
>
> _Space_
> Something concrete on the orbitals, Mars colonys (see the big D's
> secrets for some *scarey* piccies).
FASA's line has orbital factories but i think only probes beyond that.
A moon base probably figures but i don't remember one being
menitioned. The crash and breakup of the USA really set back this
stuff and for the corps a space plane (not shuttle) and orbital
factories are the best way to make money.

> Maybe some extension or variation to magic that allows it to work up
> there...
[spoiler, not that that should matter on this list]






Magic works in space under the right circumstances. Thanks carefull
reading and the odd hint posted to Shadowrn by folks that have
chatted to FASA i know a few things.
The one i need checked in the ED magic book under structure of the
metaplanes (netherworlds) is that the horrors live in space. (yes i
did say that, and the hints in SR, reread the short story 'hunter and
prey')

> _Otaku Society_
> How do they live? ettiquette. 'Religous' practices and theory. How
> do those living at the Denver Datahaven obtain food, supplies, funds?
> What about contacts with the outside world?
>
needed though i'm not so bothered myself.

> Thoughts? opinions?
>
Mark
Message no. 18
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:15:44 -0500 (EST)
>Matt W writes
>
>> I've been thinking a bit (shock horror)
>> How about...
>>
>> _Space_
>> Something concrete on the orbitals, Mars colonys (see the big D's
>> secrets for some *scarey* piccies).
>FASA's line has orbital factories but i think only probes beyond that.
>A moon base probably figures but i don't remember one being
>menitioned. The crash and breakup of the USA really set back this
>stuff and for the corps a space plane (not shuttle) and orbital
>factories are the best way to make money.
>

Of course, Ares DID buy out NASA, and we all know how they like to be the
first one to do things...

>> Maybe some extension or variation to magic that allows it to work up
>> there...
>[spoiler, not that that should matter on this list]
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Message no. 19
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:22:52 +0100
Erik_Jameson@*****.com said on 14:42/23 Sep 96...

> I would suggest avoiding CP crossovers for a couple of
> reasons. First, it's WAY too easy to do.

I agree. Anyone with a reasonable understanding of two game systems can
convert stuff from one game to the other -- especially equipment.

> Second, Gurth all ready has a scad of conversions for CP; all that I
> think left to do would be Chromebook 4 stuff.

And I've bought that one some time ago, but I'm a bit too busy with other
stuff right now to convert the book to SR.

> Third, I think it's generally good policy for NERPS to not copy or
> convert anything that isn't FASA. I mean, we could if we wanted to, it's
> not like we have any official ties with FASA, but it would be a good
> policy.

I have to agree that conversions of other game systems don't really fit in
with my view of NERPS projects, either. Original material is a better
choice, especially if it complements FASA's sourcebooks, and/or covers
ground FASA does not right now. SR/ED cross-overs are a nice idea, but of
very limited practical value to anyone, a survival guide OTOH sounds like
something (beginning) shadowrunners could have a lot of use for. "The
Shadowrunner's Guide to the Universe"? :)

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Message no. 20
From: "Eric Rosenberg" <edr@*****.net>
Subject: Re: RE> Re: New project!
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:01:56 +0000
It seems somebody has misquoted me, I said that ANY conversion was
pointless.
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Message no. 21
From: "Peter Coxon" <coxoff@***.com>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 19:10:19 UT
Idea's for new project
ARGH! The Chinese Are Invading!
Tim Coxon
Coxoff@***.com
--------
Okay, everyone seems to be putting up things like day trips to mars and
typical twinkle finger handbooks. How about a major plot twist in my current
campiagn China invades Japan, and then CFS. this lead to a total change in the
whole world most of the corps are out of it, and those that still are arounds
prices go sky high (the ultimate cure to munchkinism!). or you could have
something like a mycoprotien plague.... (note: fat-bac 2 in threats). I also
think that a Neo-anarchist guide to everywhere else would be good, amazonia
sound like a kewl place, and I would like to know what happens to
australia......
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Message no. 22
From: "Paolo Falco (FoxMaster)" <Falco@****.iT>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:04:14 +0200
On 22 Sep 96, Peter Coxon wrote the FoxMaster about RE: New project!:

> I also
> think that a Neo-anarchist guide to everywhere else would be good, amazonia
> sound like a kewl place, and I would like to know what happens to
> australia......

I see nobody cares about good ol' Europe... :)
What's happened to Paris? Is Madrid a new centre for freetraders? How
about Oslo? I can see berserking dragons in the fjords. And (my
campanilism speaking here) how about Italy? And, as a homenage to
Gurth, has the Greenhouse effect (finally) flooded the Netherlands? :)

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Message no. 23
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:11:06 +0100
Peter Coxon said on 19:10/22 Sep 96...

> Idea's for new project
> ARGH! The Chinese Are Invading!
> Tim Coxon
> Coxoff@***.com

FYI, a suggestion for a project isn't required to have the header you put
over it :) That's only for actual article proposals...

> Okay, everyone seems to be putting up things like day trips to mars and
> typical twinkle finger handbooks. How about a major plot twist in my current
> campiagn China invades Japan, and then CFS. this lead to a total change in the
> whole world most of the corps are out of it, and those that still are arounds
> prices go sky high (the ultimate cure to munchkinism!).

Not good. Not good... We want to stick to the SR world as it's been set up
by FASA, not make major changes to big-leagues stuff. China invading
Japan is unlikely from SR's background (China is ruled by warlords), and
the results you describe radically alter the SR universe so that half of
FASA's sourcebooks would be made obsolete to anyone following this
timeline.

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Message no. 24
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:11:06 +0100
Paolo Falco (FoxMaster) said on 9:04/25 Sep 96...

> I see nobody cares about good ol' Europe... :)
> What's happened to Paris? Is Madrid a new centre for freetraders? How
> about Oslo? I can see berserking dragons in the fjords. And (my
> campanilism speaking here) how about Italy?

I care about Europe! :) Anyway, if you read the SRII rules you'll know
that Italy has fragmented (Bossi got his way, I guess).

> And, as a homenage to Gurth, has the Greenhouse effect (finally)
> flooded the Netherlands? :)

No, the damn Germans who wrote the Germany Sourcebook did :/

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Message no. 25
From: Paolo Marcucci <paolo@*********.it>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:01:44 +0200
Gurth wrote:

> Not good. Not good... We want to stick to the SR world as it's been set up
> by FASA,

So, try to use The Shadowrun Explorer (on my site) and search for the
country names... interesting reading, at least ::))))) (tm)

http://www.interware.it/scripts/sr/explorer.pl?

Bye, Paolo
Message no. 26
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:39:19 -0600 (MDT)
Paolo Marcucci wrote:
|
|::))))) (tm)

||)))) (tm) <a sleeping horror :)>

-David

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Message no. 27
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:03:34 +0000
On 22 Sep 96 at 19:10, Peter Coxon wrote:
[snip]
> How about a major plot twist in my current
> campiagn China invades Japan, and then CFS. this lead to a total change in the
> whole world most of the corps are out of it, and those that still are arounds
> prices go sky high (the ultimate cure to munchkinism!).
[snip]
I don't think it'd be a good idea too break up FASA's planing of the world
events in a Net-Sourcebook, since then we'd develop an entire own timeframe
that would have to be supported, build up, and kept running.
This would also need _LOTS_ of work, which I don't think would/could be done
by freelance and unpaid people like us - not over a longer period of time,
anyway.

> think that a Neo-anarchist guide to everywhere else would be good, amazonia
> sound like a kewl place, and I would like to know what happens to
> australia......
...I don't think it a too good idea to get into the way of FASA's planning for
new sourcebooks, either. And both Amazonia and Australia will be covered by
SBs, if I don't mistake...

Sascha
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Message no. 28
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:03:34 +0000
On 25 Sep 96 at 9:04, Paolo Falco (FoxMaster) wrote:
> I see nobody cares about good ol' Europe... :)
I do! I do! Here, Paolo, let's do something about it. Who cares about South
America, who wants to know about Australia (hah, they shall hunt their
kangoroos! :-), let's stay where the fun is: In Europe!

> What's happened to Paris? Is Madrid a new centre for freetraders? How
> about Oslo? I can see berserking dragons in the fjords. And (my
> campanilism speaking here) how about Italy? And, as a homenage to
> Gurth, has the Greenhouse effect (finally) flooded the Netherlands? :)
Yup, so far the Tir na nOg, the London and the Germany Sourcebook are the only
ones covering Europe. Helge Diernaes did a really good book about Denmark
(which I had the honor to test-read) that could be used. I am sure Gurth has
something 'bout the Niederlande (he _can't_ just collect stuff :-), and I am
planning and might do something about my hometown (and be it just to show the
people at FanPro how a sourcebook should be done :-).

Let's include the European trail in the new sourcebook!


Sascha
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Message no. 29
From: "Paolo Marcucci" <paolo@*********.it>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:17:00 +0200
At 17.03 25/09/96 +0000, you wrote:
>On 25 Sep 96 at 9:04, Paolo Falco (FoxMaster) wrote:
>> I see nobody cares about good ol' Europe... :)
>I do! I do! Here, Paolo, let's do something about it. Who cares about South
>America, who wants to know about Australia (hah, they shall hunt their
>kangoroos! :-), let's stay where the fun is: In Europe!

Yeah! Dump da yanks! If ya wanna get a glimpse of the forthcoming Trieste
SB, point ya browsa ta:

http://www.interware.it/scripts/sr/display.pl?cat=SEARCH&page=places/Trieste
.htm

Yo! Trieste roolzz!

::))))) (tm)
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Message no. 30
From: Erik_Jameson@*****.com
Subject: RE> RE: New project!
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 09:41:11 -0800
RE> RE: New project!
To nerps@********.itribe.net


Hmmm...looks like we are going to do a Neo-Anarchists Guide
to the Globe, based on the responses so far. Geez, no mail
from the list in weeks, then an overload...;-)

_IF_ we are agreed that we are going to do a net-book on
different locations, then we should start proposing sites
and authors. For example, Gurth has volunteered to do his
homeland, the Netherlands. Who wants to do what?

In addition, I have a file that has anywhere between a
couple of sentences to a page or more on all the countries
_I_ see in SR 2057. I took it originally from someone else,
but I've made all kinds of changes and put in a whole lot of
work on it. _IF_ we are doing this location project, then
perhaps including a "briefing" on other key parts of the
world would be very appropriate. Nations include Liberia,
Chile, Afghanistan, Iceland, and so on.

In addition, I've actually generated regional maps, but
given my lack of artistic ability and probable errors and
differing world views, they might not be appropriate. BUT,
after the text has been written, I can go back and edit
those maps to fit what NERPS decides the world's shape is.
Plus I have a really cool looking flattened global map that
looks really sharp that we can put the title of the book on.
That way we can have some nice maps to go with our nice
text.

BY THE WAY keep your adventure ideas open! They could be
very appropriate for our new little secret hush-hush
project. BTW Gurth, I haven;t checked my home email yet.
Is our side squared away, or do I need to make changes?

Erik
The Great Big Giant Sharp Cheddar (arch-nemesis of the Big
Giant Head and STILL the list.member.grumpy!)
Message no. 31
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: RE> RE: New project!
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:23:28 -0500 (EST)
>RE> RE: New project!
>To nerps@********.itribe.net
>
>
>Hmmm...looks like we are going to do a Neo-Anarchists Guide
>to the Globe, based on the responses so far. Geez, no mail
>from the list in weeks, then an overload...;-)
>
>_IF_ we are agreed that we are going to do a net-book on
>different locations, then we should start proposing sites
>and authors. For example, Gurth has volunteered to do his
>homeland, the Netherlands. Who wants to do what?
>
Well, I know N America's been covered, but what can I say? I live there,
and I've never been outside the country (except to Canada, once... when I
was 5), so the best I could offer is a write up on Cleveland, Ohio in the
USA... Or UCAS, as the case may be. In our campaign, most of the corps who
had been based in Chicago have moved their operations to Clevel;and, it
being about the next largest city in that area. Cleveland is kinda a mess,
and had been declining economically before the corps moved in. Also, i got
a fun toxic wastesite where a local Nuke Power Plant melted down.

Well, just my thought and what i can contribute. Let me know if ya want it
and I'll write it up...:)

Cya:)


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Message no. 32
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 23:04:06 -0700
Paolo Marcucci wrote:
>
> At 17.03 25/09/96 +0000, you wrote:
> >On 25 Sep 96 at 9:04, Paolo Falco (FoxMaster) wrote:
> >> I see nobody cares about good ol' Europe... :)
> >I do! I do! Here, Paolo, let's do something about it. Who cares about South
> >America, who wants to know about Australia (hah, they shall hunt their
> >kangoroos! :-), let's stay where the fun is: In Europe!
>
> Yeah! Dump da yanks! If ya wanna get a glimpse of the forthcoming Trieste
> SB, point ya browsa ta:
>
> http://www.interware.it/scripts/sr/display.pl?cat=SEARCH&page=places/Trieste
> .htm
>
> Yo! Trieste roolzz!

I followed the link but it didn't list anything...

@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Message no. 33
From: Paolo Marcucci <paolo@*********.it>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:02:32 +0200
Loki wrote:
http://www.interware.it/scripts/sr/display.pl?cat=SEARCH&page=places/Trieste
> > .htm
> >
> > Yo! Trieste roolzz!
>
> I followed the link but it didn't list anything...

Uhm, you have to add the .htm at the end... eudora screws my links! Boo!

Bye, Paolo
Message no. 34
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:11:42 -0700
Paolo Marcucci wrote:
>
> Loki wrote:
> http://www.interware.it/scripts/sr/display.pl?cat=SEARCH&page=places/Trieste
> > > .htm
> > >
> > > Yo! Trieste roolzz!
> >
> > I followed the link but it didn't list anything...
>
> Uhm, you have to add the .htm at the end... eudora screws my links! Boo!
>
> Bye, Paolo

Found it, fixed it, thanx...


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Message no. 35
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:25:19 +0100
Paolo Marcucci said on 17:17/25 Sep 96...

> Yeah! Dump da yanks! If ya wanna get a glimpse of the forthcoming Trieste
> SB, point ya browsa ta:
>
> http://www.interware.it/scripts/sr/display.pl?cat=SEARCH&page=places/Trieste
> .htm
>
> Yo! Trieste roolzz!

Here, one more thing that would fit right in with a Neo-A Guide to the
World...

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Message no. 36
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: RE> RE: New project!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:25:19 +0100
Erik_Jameson@*****.com said on 9:41/25 Sep 96...

> Hmmm...looks like we are going to do a Neo-Anarchists Guide to the
> Globe, based on the responses so far. Geez, no mail from the list in
> weeks, then an overload...;-)

Just wait, it'll die down like it always does :( :)

> _IF_ we are agreed that we are going to do a net-book on different
> locations, then we should start proposing sites and authors. For
> example, Gurth has volunteered to do his homeland, the Netherlands. Who
> wants to do what?

A good thing to do would be to first make al ist of all the places that
FASA has done sourcebooks for, and the ones we suspect will come out
soon:

* The whole of North America (NAN books, CalFree, NAGNA, Seattle
Sourcebook, Tir Tairngire, Denver box set)
* Aztlan
* Germany
* Amazonia (probably)
* Australia (in '98 I believe?)
* UK
* Tir na nOg

This leaves us with most of Europe, Asia, Africa, and a part of South
America to write about. Of those, we know some things just by looking
through SR rule- and sourcebooks:

* Europe: Northern Europe is pretty much as it is now, but a bit worse
for wear. Southern Europe (below the level of the Alps, I'd guess) has
fallen back to city states and ethnic enclaves, fighting little wars with
each other on occasion.
* Africa: hardly any information at all, so this is open ground for
whatever we want to write about.
* Asia: China is ruled by warlords, and so has disintegrated as a country.
Tibet is shielded from the rest of the world by a high-powered magical
forcefield (or something :). Japan is a world power. The rest of the
countries in the area would probably have either followed China's example,
or fought wars with each other to radically alter the map of the
continent, IMHO.
* South America: we best don't touch Amazonia, but apart from that we know
almost nothing about the continent. Fair game, again.

* North America: since this is outlined in the SR books in broad terms for
the most part, we could write about smaller areas, like Cleveland :)

Now the questions is, who wants to write about what? We could easily
incorporate already-written material, like Paolo's Trieste book, Helge's
Denmark text, my Netherlands file, and so on. This would work best if
written by somebody actually from the area, although I don't think there
are many Chinese or Kenyans on the list, for example...

> In addition, I've actually generated regional maps, but given my lack of
> artistic ability and probable errors and differing world views, they
> might not be appropriate. BUT, after the text has been written, I can
> go back and edit those maps to fit what NERPS decides the world's shape
> is. Plus I have a really cool looking flattened global map that looks
> really sharp that we can put the title of the book on. That way we can
> have some nice maps to go with our nice text.

Maps would be a good idea, I found the NAN books hard to use partly
because there were no maps of the countries in it. Anyway, maps needn't be
100% accurate, and I've got a couple of ideas that mean we won't be using
other peoples' maps (to which they own copyrights) but that are still easy
to use for us.


> BY THE WAY keep your adventure ideas open! They could be very
> appropriate for our new little secret hush-hush project.

Anything is welcome for that, really. And we will need a more or less
steady supply of it, too...

> BTW Gurth, I haven;t checked my home email yet. Is our side squared
> away, or do I need to make changes?

Only a minor one, I found that one of the sentences read very poorly so I
suggested a small change. Apart from that, we're go as far as I'm
concerned. Oh, and Paolo (no Falco, not you :), you probably have ideas
about what's going on, but keep your keyboard shut about it, okay? :)

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Message no. 37
From: "Paolo Falco (FoxMaster)" <Falco@****.iT>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:47:55 +0200
On 25 Sep 96, Gurth wrote the FoxMaster about RE: New project!:

> > I see nobody cares about good ol' Europe... :)
> > What's happened to Paris? Is Madrid a new centre for freetraders? How
> > about Oslo? I can see berserking dragons in the fjords. And (my
> > campanilism speaking here) how about Italy?
>
> I care about Europe! :)

Yeah, but you happen to _live_ in Europe too...

> Anyway, if you read the SRII rules you'll know that Italy has
> fragmented (Bossi got his way, I guess).

Had forgotten that. But then, then, then... Maybe finally I could write
an article about A NATIONAL CAPITAL!!! :)

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Message no. 38
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: RE> RE: New project!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:55:33 -0600 (MDT)
Gurth wrote:
|
|Now the questions is, who wants to write about what? We could easily
|incorporate already-written material, like Paolo's Trieste book, Helge's
|Denmark text, my Netherlands file, and so on. This would work best if
|written by somebody actually from the area, although I don't think there
|are many Chinese or Kenyans on the list, for example...

Are we still tossing ideas around, or do you want us to
start making submission requests? BTW, I can add to the
Denver set, and the (former) Colorado/New Mexico Area. And
I'm interested in doing something for Africa and South
America (I've got six years of National Geographics and
watch a lot of PBS :). I would love to do something on
China but shudder at the thought of the amount of research
involved.

Also, anyone want to take care of eastern Siberia? I've
only ever seen one reference to it being a country that is
home to metahumans.

|> BTW Gurth, I haven;t checked my home email yet. Is our side squared
|> away, or do I need to make changes?
|
|Only a minor one, I found that one of the sentences read very poorly so I
|suggested a small change. Apart from that, we're go as far as I'm
|concerned. Oh, and Paolo (no Falco, not you :), you probably have ideas
|about what's going on, but keep your keyboard shut about it, okay? :)

Hmmmmm... what are THEY up to? :)

P.S. Where did you get the info about Tibet?

-David

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alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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Message no. 39
From: Erik_Jameson@*****.com
Subject: Re: RE> RE: New project!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 10:38:56 -0800
Re: RE> RE: New project!
To nerps@********.itribe.net


You missed on area FASA _is_ going to cover. Scheduled for
next year, FASA will release something currently called
"Cyber Pirates," which will be about the Carib League. I
would guess it will contain additional info on all of South
America, which would include Amazonia.

Now, what areas can we automatically cover, like Gurth and
the Netherlands?

Erik
------------------------------
Date: 9/26/96 9:01 AM
To: Jameson, Erik
From: nerps@********.itribe.net


Erik_Jameson@*****.com said on 9:41/25 Sep 96...

> Hmmm...looks like we are going to do a Neo-Anarchists
Guide to the
> Globe, based on the responses so far. Geez, no mail from
the list in
> weeks, then an overload...;-)

Just wait, it'll die down like it always does :( :)

> _IF_ we are agreed that we are going to do a net-book on
different
> locations, then we should start proposing sites and
authors. For
> example, Gurth has volunteered to do his homeland, the
Netherlands. Who
> wants to do what?

A good thing to do would be to first make al ist of all the
places that
FASA has done sourcebooks for, and the ones we suspect will
come out
soon:

* The whole of North America (NAN books, CalFree, NAGNA,
Seattle
Sourcebook, Tir Tairngire, Denver box set)
* Aztlan
* Germany
* Amazonia (probably)
* Australia (in '98 I believe?)
* UK
* Tir na nOg

This leaves us with most of Europe, Asia, Africa, and a part
of South
America to write about. Of those, we know some things just
by looking
through SR rule- and sourcebooks:

* Europe: Northern Europe is pretty much as it is now, but a
bit worse
for wear. Southern Europe (below the level of the Alps, I'd
guess) has
fallen back to city states and ethnic enclaves, fighting
little wars with
each other on occasion.
* Africa: hardly any information at all, so this is open
ground for
whatever we want to write about.
* Asia: China is ruled by warlords, and so has disintegrated
as a country.
Tibet is shielded from the rest of the world by a
high-powered magical
forcefield (or something :). Japan is a world power. The
rest of the
countries in the area would probably have either followed
China's example,
or fought wars with each other to radically alter the map of
the
continent, IMHO.
* South America: we best don't touch Amazonia, but apart
from that we know
almost nothing about the continent. Fair game, again.

* North America: since this is outlined in the SR books in
broad terms for
the most part, we could write about smaller areas, like
Cleveland :)

Now the questions is, who wants to write about what? We
could easily
incorporate already-written material, like Paolo's Trieste
book, Helge's
Denmark text, my Netherlands file, and so on. This would
work best if
written by somebody actually from the area, although I don't
think there
are many Chinese or Kenyans on the list, for example...

> In addition, I've actually generated regional maps, but
given my lack of
> artistic ability and probable errors and differing world
views, they
> might not be appropriate. BUT, after the text has been
written, I can
> go back and edit those maps to fit what NERPS decides the
world's shape
> is. Plus I have a really cool looking flattened global map
that looks
> really sharp that we can put the title of the book on.
That way we can
> have some nice maps to go with our nice text.

Maps would be a good idea, I found the NAN books hard to use
partly
because there were no maps of the countries in it. Anyway,
maps needn't be
100% accurate, and I've got a couple of ideas that mean we
won't be using
other peoples' maps (to which they own copyrights) but that
are still easy
to use for us.


> BY THE WAY keep your adventure ideas open! They could be
very
> appropriate for our new little secret hush-hush project.

Anything is welcome for that, really. And we will need a
more or less
steady supply of it, too...

> BTW Gurth, I haven;t checked my home email yet. Is our
side squared
> away, or do I need to make changes?

Only a minor one, I found that one of the sentences read
very poorly so I
suggested a small change. Apart from that, we're go as far
as I'm
concerned. Oh, and Paolo (no Falco, not you :), you probably
have ideas
about what's going on, but keep your keyboard shut about it,
okay? :)

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
I have another stupid question.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru
<-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 40
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:03:54 -0500 (EST)
Do we have any set format yet as to how the setions should be written up?

That should probably be worked out, otherwise things could get chaotic
quick...:)


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Message no. 41
From: Paolo Marcucci <paolo@*********.it>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:37:54 +0200
Steven Ratkovich wrote:
>
> Do we have any set format yet as to how the setions should be written up?
>
> That should probably be worked out, otherwise things could get chaotic
> quick...:)
>

Yes, please...:)

I'm a "technical" writer, so I like to fill the paragraph and
subparagraph and subsubparagraphs.....

Just a skeleton, Gurth ::)))))
Message no. 42
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:43:54 +0100
David Buehrer said on 9:55/26 Sep 96...

> Are we still tossing ideas around, or do you want us to
> start making submission requests?

Both, as far as I'm concerned. If you have a good idea, of if you feel you
want to write about something, don't hesitate to post either.

> BTW, I can add to the Denver set, and the (former) Colorado/New Mexico
> Area. And I'm interested in doing something for Africa and South America
> (I've got six years of National Geographics and watch a lot of PBS :).
> I would love to do something on China but shudder at the thought of the
> amount of research involved.

Sounds good to me. I'd prefer material about areas and countries not yet
covered by FASA, so Africa and Suth America would be preferable to Denver,
which already has a box set dedicated to it.

> Also, anyone want to take care of eastern Siberia? I've only ever seen
> one reference to it being a country that is home to metahumans.

Good you mention that, I forgot about it.

> Hmmmmm... what are THEY up to? :)

You'd like to know, wouldn't you? :)

> P.S. Where did you get the info about Tibet?

Something somebody mentioned on ShadowRN once: if I recall correctly, the
person was at a convention, where some FASA reps were as well. He started
talking to one, and got told about a force shield around Tibet, after
which Tom Dowd looked at the other rep in a way that seemed to suggest he
was giving away too much information.

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Message no. 43
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: New project!
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:43:54 +0100
Paolo Marcucci said on 10:37/27 Sep 96...

> Steven Ratkovich wrote:
> >
> > Do we have any set format yet as to how the setions should be written up?
> >
> > That should probably be worked out, otherwise things could get chaotic
> > quick...:)

If you want specific paragraph headers, I'll have to think about them. For
now, let's just say the following topics should be covered:

Demographics (population figures, etc.)
Basic tourist information (when and where to go, what to see, currency
info, weather)
Basic shadowrunner information (who pays and for what)
Politics (domestic and foreign, and how the government is made up)
Descriptions of the major regions of the country/city/area

Feel free to add and/or leave out things -- your best guidelines are in
FASA's books and the town desciptions in the NAGEEs, all of which also
vary widely in the exact ground covered.

> Yes, please...:)
>
> I'm a "technical" writer, so I like to fill the paragraph and
> subparagraph and subsubparagraphs.....

That's okay by me. What I would like the articles to be, is written by
distinct personalities. That is, that not all look the same, no matter
who wrote it. A way to do this, IMHO, is pretend you're living there in
2058, and write from that standpoint. What would you notice about the
area, or care to mention?
Also, you have to inform the reader without getting boring, so keep the
text short and entertaining, while it still has enough information for
players to use as a tourist guide, and for GMs to get adventure ideas
from.

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Message no. 44
From: "'Spaceman' WD Lee" <spaced@*.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: RE> RE: New project!
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:28:39 -0700 (PDT)
On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, David Buehrer wrote:
> Hmmmmm... what are THEY up to? :)
>
World domination, what else?

> P.S. Where did you get the info about Tibet?
>
Possible Spoiler, but not much of one








I don't know about contacts in the industry, but Dunky's will has
this little tidbet in it.
"To Inazo Aneki of Renraku, I leave the seal of Green Gloves,
which will permit you or your proxy to enter Tibet. Use your time there as
you will, but do not abuse the privilege or you will suffer for your
misdeeds"(Portfolio of a Dragon 28).

The Spaceman |God said, "Let there be light." And God
spaced@*.washington.edu |separated the light from the dark. And
Check out the Bill Page! |did two loads of laundry. -Genesis 1:2.5
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~spaced/bill.html
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Message no. 45
From: "Peter Coxon" <coxoff@***.com>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 20:12:39 UT
Re:New project!

Tim Coxon
Coxoff@***.com
--------
1st of all sorry about the last post....I am new and am not sure about how
things work....Thank you Gurth for pointing this out (we all learn by mistakes
but who can tell a mistake without definitions? *brains trickle outa ear coz I
went to interlectual*)
> If we assemble all this into a book, and add more material, it could be a
> good, solid resource for players and GMs.
Okay then I am from the uk so I won't be to good with the nagg (as fasa
already have london.....) I would however like to make a few contacts, people
and places for london (which means I'll have ta go and get it now!). another
point leading on from this is that although fasa have already done places it
doesn't mean that we can't augment them.... If we do do the nagg it should
include maps of locations (no that isn't an offer to draw them..) as some
people (yes that does include me) can't be bothered to draw out map on the fly
which usualy turn out cr*p anyway.......and going comopletley off the subject
I would just like to point out how weird this is for me, I have been internet
connected for nearly a year and have been on nearly all you sites, and it's
weird to be taking part (possibly) in something that is going to add to
that.......(brown nose?)
Message no. 46
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:41:59 +0100
Peter Coxon said on 20:12/26 Sep 96...

> 1st of all sorry about the last post....

No need to be sorry, it's not like you did anything wrong :)

> another point leading on from this is that although fasa have already
> done places it doesn't mean that we can't augment them....

That's true, but I myself would rather see material about things FASA has
not yet done, than additional stuff for places that are already described.

> If we do do the nagg it should include maps of locations (no that isn't
> an offer to draw them..) as some people (yes that does include me) can't
> be bothered to draw out map on the fly which usualy turn out cr*p
> anyway.......

I'd like maps of locations, too. It makes it much easier to visualize how
everything fits together. We'll need to organize this, though.

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Message no. 47
From: "Mike Hartmann" <hartmann@***********.m.eunet.de>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:01:15 +0000
> Paolo Falco (FoxMaster) said on 9:04/25 Sep 96...
>
> > I see nobody cares about good ol' Europe... :)
> > What's happened to Paris? Is Madrid a new centre for freetraders? How
> > about Oslo? I can see berserking dragons in the fjords. And (my
> > campanilism speaking here) how about Italy?
>
> I care about Europe! :) Anyway, if you read the SRII rules you'll know
> that Italy has fragmented (Bossi got his way, I guess).
>
> > And, as a homenage to Gurth, has the Greenhouse effect (finally)
> > flooded the Netherlands? :)
>
> No, the damn Germans who wrote the Germany Sourcebook did :/

Well, for my part we could discard the germany sourcebook. It is the
worst sourcebook that ever hit the SR-market....:-)

Mike
Message no. 48
From: "Ronald Hitzler" <rohi@****.at>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:11:00 +0000
On 4 Oct 96 at 16:01, Mike Hartmann wrote:

> Well, for my part we could discard the germany sourcebook. It is the
> worst sourcebook that ever hit the SR-market....:-)
hu? i think it isn't so bad at all. i like "bayrische orks in
lederhosen"

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Message no. 49
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: RE: New project!
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:15:30 +0000
On 6 Oct 96 at 19:11, Ronald Hitzler wrote:
> On 4 Oct 96 at 16:01, Mike Hartmann wrote:
> > Well, for my part we could discard the germany sourcebook. It is the
> > worst sourcebook that ever hit the SR-market....:-)
> hu? i think it isn't so bad at all. i like "bayrische orks in
> lederhosen"
A sourcebook that does not even follow FASA's standarts on how to describe
eqipment is -IMHO- on the 5-worst-sourcebooks-ever list. And although they
(Fanpro) tried to cover the whole of Germany, they touched most areas quite
insufficent, so you can't use 'em for gaming purposes.
The map material is bad (even worse then the stuff in Seattle Sourcebook), and
if I remember right, not even FASA's "And So It Came To Pass..." was followed.
It was the last thing I bought out of the fanpro product line. And I _am_
German...

Sascha
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