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Message no. 1
From: Bryan Linn Schuler <schu1545@****.GMI.EDU>
Subject: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:27:46 -0400
Ok, the way I see it, this project is turning out to be an Underworld book.
I think it should concentrate on the most fundamentals of Shadowrunning, namely
what goes on behind the runner's backs.
It should concentrate on:

Providers: Armourers, Gun-Runners, Cred Launderers, Software pirates,
Information providers, and of course, the lord of them all,
the Fixer. It should explain how they go about their business,
how they can be contacted. It should handle everything
from how to purchase BTL's to where to go to get an Autocannon
to where to look for a Beta clinic.

The Sprawl: This section handles the terrain. Where people are located
and how to find them. Where do I go to find a Street Doc?
The sleezy bar, the homeless shelter or the basement of the
McHughes down the street? This section deals with the areas
where angels fear to tred. Including gang turf and dozens of
examples of where shadow figures may be hanging out. And
finnaly, how to fence your loot, like Honest Eddie at the
corner Pawn Shop.

The Operation: Finally, this section tells "how things REALLY work". Where
DOES the armourer get his SMG parts? or where do poor street
docs get their cyberware? What DO gangs do besides bike around
and start fights? How does one contact their fixer w/o getting
traced? And above all, how does all of this happen w/o the
corps, government, etc noticing?

Anyways, that's what I propose to you. Mail me on some comments.

Bryan Schuler
Message no. 2
From: John Zug <johnzug@**********.PTD.NET>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:53:43 -0400
>Ok, the way I see it, this project is turning out to be an Underworld book.
>I think it should concentrate on the most fundamentals of Shadowrunning, namely
>what goes on behind the runner's backs.
>It should concentrate on:
>
>Providers: Armourers, Gun-Runners, Cred Launderers, Software pirates,
> Information providers, and of course, the lord of them all,
> the Fixer. It should explain how they go about their business,
> how they can be contacted. It should handle everything
> from how to purchase BTL's to where to go to get an Autocannon
> to where to look for a Beta clinic.
>
>The Sprawl: This section handles the terrain. Where people are located
> and how to find them. Where do I go to find a Street Doc?
> The sleezy bar, the homeless shelter or the basement of the
> McHughes down the street? This section deals with the areas
> where angels fear to tred. Including gang turf and dozens of
> examples of where shadow figures may be hanging out. And
> finnaly, how to fence your loot, like Honest Eddie at the
> corner Pawn Shop.
>
>The Operation: Finally, this section tells "how things REALLY work". Where
> DOES the armourer get his SMG parts? or where do poor street
> docs get their cyberware? What DO gangs do besides bike around
> and start fights? How does one contact their fixer w/o getting
> traced? And above all, how does all of this happen w/o the
> corps, government, etc noticing?
>
>Anyways, that's what I propose to you. Mail me on some comments.
>
> Bryan Schuler
>

Not a bad idea!
Message no. 3
From: "S.F. Eley" <gt6877c@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:39:55 -0400
Bryan Schuler writes:

> It should concentrate on:
>
> Providers: Armourers, Gun-Runners, Cred Launderers, Software pirates,
> Information providers, and of course, the lord of them all,
> the Fixer. It should explain how they go about their business,
> how they can be contacted. It should handle everything
> from how to purchase BTL's to where to go to get an Autocannon
> to where to look for a Beta clinic.

I'd be interested in working on the Fixer aspect of this.. I like making
up rules, and this seems like a field that's wide open. >8->

Say, Gurth, now that there's a new project heating up, might this be a good
time to overview the "how to register and submit a NERPS piece" rules for
those of us who don't know them?

This should be fun...


Blessings,

_TNX._

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Message no. 4
From: "Mad Dog (aka Timothy Sven Nelson)" <tsn@******.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 12:37:56 +1000
On Wed, 23 Aug 1995, John Zug wrote:

>>Ok, the way I see it, this project is turning out to be an Underworld book.
>>I think it should concentrate on the most fundamentals of
>>Shadowrunning, namely what goes on behind the runner's backs.
>>It should concentrate on:
>>
>>Providers: Armourers, Gun-Runners, Cred Launderers, Software pirates,
>> Information providers, and of course, the lord of them all,
>> the Fixer. It should explain how they go about their business,
>> how they can be contacted. It should handle everything
>> from how to purchase BTL's to where to go to get an Autocannon
>> to where to look for a Beta clinic.

>>>>>>>[Sounds good. The info on how to contact is in the Shadowrun
book, but may be incomplete. At a guess, I'd say that the label
"specialised" fixers could be applied to all the people in the above
list.
I am especially in favour of that idea about finding Beta
Clinics. ]<<<<<<<<
-- MadDog <About 12:12:00/24-8-95, Australia time>

>>The Sprawl: This section handles the terrain. Where people are located
>> and how to find them. Where do I go to find a Street Doc?
>> The sleazy bar, the homeless shelter or the basement of the
>> McHughes down the street? This section deals with the areas
>> where angels fear to tred. Including gang turf and dozens of
>> examples of where shadow figures may be hanging out. And
>> finally, how to fence your loot, like Honest Eddie at the
>> corner Pawn Shop.

>>>>>>>>[Yes, yes, and even more yes. This is the sort of thing
we
need. Anybody think we should include GIF format maps, or
something?]<<<<<<<<
-- MadDog <About 12:15:29/24-8-95, Australia time

>>The Operation: Finally, this section tells "how things REALLY work".
Where
>> DOES the armourer get his SMG parts? or where do poor street
>> docs get their cyberware? What DO gangs do besides bike around
>> and start fights? How does one contact their fixer w/o getting
>> traced? And above all, how does all of this happen w/o the
>> corps, government, etc noticing?

>>>>>>>>[Some of these things are good. Where the armourer gets
his SMG
parts is unlikely to be important (interesting, yes; important, no).
What do bike gangs do is a different matter. We would need rules that
could be applied to these things. Generalities, while important, should
be a beginning, not an end product (that was what I didn't like about the
characters in Sprawl Sites). ]<<<<<<<<
-- MadDog <About 12:32:21/24-8-95, Australia time>
>>Anyways, that's what I propose to you. Mail me on some comments.

>>>>>>>>[Here you go then. ]<<<<<<<<
--MadDog <About 12:38:27/24-8-95, Australia time>

> Not a bad idea!
>>>>>>>>[Definately agree. ]<<<<<<<<
--MadDog <About 12:39:54/24-8-95, Australia time>

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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:41:46 +0200
>Say, Gurth, now that there's a new project heating up, might this be a good
>time to overview the "how to register and submit a NERPS piece" rules for
>those of us who don't know them?

Well, they're in the FAQ (which J.D. still hasn't sent me, hint, hint :) but
it boils down to that you need an Author-ID# (though I'm thinking of
chucking those out), which you can get by posting a message to this list
(_not_ to me personally) saying the followin things:

REGISTRATION
Project name [which hasn't been decided yet, BTW]
Title of proposed article
Your real name
Yor email address or Author-ID#
--------
Short description of what you intend on writing (up to 20 lines or so).

If you don't have an author-ID# yet, I'll issue you one after you post your
registration message on the list.
Once you've received the ID#, you can post your submission to the list --
please put "NERPS SUBMISSION" (in capital letters) in the subject line,
followed by the book title and your article title. This is so I can easily
pick out the messages I need to keep from the table of contents of my
mailbox. In the actual message you should put the following things:

Project name
Title of submission
Your author-ID# (if written by multiple people, list all ID#s)
-------- [8 dashes]
Followed by the actual article. Please do _not_ use tabs or spaces at the
start of each paragraph, as that makes it harder for me to format it all
correctly.

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Guru :)
Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:41:52 +0200
>>>>>>>>>[Yes, yes, and even more yes. This is the sort of
thing we
>need. Anybody think we should include GIF format maps, or
>something?]<<<<<<<<
> -- MadDog <About 12:15:29/24-8-95, Australia time

Maps would be good, maybe we could scan them from RL maps of the Seattle
area? :)

BT, I'd really like to include original artwork, to liven up the book a bit.
Since I'm really bad at drawing pictures of nearly any kind, this is sort of
an appeal to those on this list _with_ artistic tendencies...

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Message no. 7
From: Mark Steedman <RSMS@******.EEE.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:30:02 GMT
> From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>

>
> Maps would be good, maybe we could scan them from RL maps of the Seattle
> area? :)
>
would be very useful if you can find some that don't have copyright
problems, The FASA ones in Seattle soucrebook are ok for niegbourhood
positions but. They did Very well with Denver though, nice to have
the core map with useful labels, though finding some of them is a
pain.

> BT, I'd really like to include original artwork, to liven up the
> book a bit.
> Since I'm really bad at drawing pictures of nearly any kind, this is sort of
> an appeal to those on this list _with_ artistic tendencies...
>
Yes, but can you try and choose something standard that both folks on
unix and PC systems [and possibly macs] are likely to be able to cope
with. GIF is pretty common on the web, while jpeg is wonders for
compression.

> --
> Gurth@******.nl

Mark
Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 21:46:00 +0200
>> Maps would be good, maybe we could scan them from RL maps of the Seattle
>> area? :)
>>
>would be very useful if you can find some that don't have copyright
>problems

Easy enough to get around: buy a real map of Seattle, and use that to
hand-draw your own :)

>Yes, but can you try and choose something standard that both folks on
>unix and PC systems [and possibly macs] are likely to be able to cope
>with. GIF is pretty common on the web, while jpeg is wonders for
>compression.

Of course, GIF or JPG would be the first choice -- and not only because of
their compression ;)

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Message no. 9
From: "S.F. Eley" <gt6877c@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:05:23 -0400
Gurth writes:

> >Yes, but can you try and choose something standard that both folks on
> >unix and PC systems [and possibly macs] are likely to be able to cope
> >with. GIF is pretty common on the web, while jpeg is wonders for
> >compression.
>
> Of course, GIF or JPG would be the first choice -- and not only because of
> their compression ;)

Well, hold on.. What sort of formats are we likely to see the NERPS guide
distributed in? Traditionally, we'd expect to see:

* Postscript
No problem. Graphics can be embedded into Postscript quite easily.. It
pushes up the size pretty massively, but that's to be expected.

* RTF or Word files
Again, no problem. Graphics can be included in either type of file in
native format.

* HTML
Easy enough to embed GIFs OR JPEGs.

* ASCII
Here you have a problem. Not too bad, though.. If you insist on
distributing the graphics too, just make them available off the same
FTP site and include cross-references to the graphic files in the text.


This question isn't too important right now anyway, is it? It's more of a
post-production question.. Right now it's much more useful to get the
book written. >8->


Blessings,

_TNX._

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Message no. 10
From: John Zug <johnzug@**********.PTD.NET>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:42:33 -0400
>Well, hold on.. What sort of formats are we likely to see the NERPS guide
>distributed in? Traditionally, we'd expect to see:
>
>* Postscript
>* RTF or Word files
>* HTML
>* ASCII

In my opinion, I think we ought to have ALL the formats (not everybody has
Postscript or Word).
Message no. 11
From: Paolo Marcucci <paolo@*********.IT>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 09:16:06 +0200
At 11.41 24/08/95 +0200, you wrote:

>REGISTRATION
>Project name [which hasn't been decided yet, BTW]

SHADOW WORLD

>Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

(hey, I didn't quote too much, uh?) :)

Paolo
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Message no. 12
From: Mark Steedman <RSMS@******.EEE.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:41:03 GMT
> From: "S.F. Eley" <gt6877c@*****.GATECH.EDU>

> Gurth writes:
>
> Well, hold on.. What sort of formats are we likely to see the NERPS guide
> distributed in? Traditionally, we'd expect to see:
>
> * Postscript
> No problem. Graphics can be embedded into Postscript quite easily.. It
> pushes up the size pretty massively, but that's to be expected.
>
just can be a real pain or plain impossible for some folks to print.
but it is very common (unix)

> * RTF or Word files
> Again, no problem. Graphics can be included in either type of file in
> native format.
>
ok in my opinion but then i have access to word.

> * HTML
> Easy enough to embed GIFs OR JPEGs.
>
> * ASCII
> Here you have a problem. Not too bad, though.. If you insist on
> distributing the graphics too, just make them available off the same
> FTP site and include cross-references to the graphic files in the text.
>
but does have the advantage as a backup text format that anybody
should be able to get the basic text. (i think)

>
> This question isn't too important right now anyway, is it? It's more of a
> post-production question.. Right now it's much more useful to get the
> book written. >8->
>
very true.
>
> Blessings,
>
> _TNX._
>
> --
Mark
Message no. 13
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:58:04 +0200
>>REGISTRATION
>>Project name [which hasn't been decided yet, BTW]
>
>SHADOW WORLD

Sounds OK, so now we've got Underworld and Shadow World. I was thinking of
something with "Street" in the title -- NERPS: Street Levels or something
like it.

>(hey, I didn't quote too much, uh?) :)

This might be exaggerating it a bit, though :)

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Message no. 14
From: Sean Holland <sholland@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 11:38:29 -0700
> Sounds OK, so now we've got Underworld and Shadow World. I was thinking of
> something with "Street" in the title -- NERPS: Street Levels or something
> like it.
Howabout "Shadow Alleys" or something like that, that implies
back streets and the fringes of society.

-Sean
Message no. 15
From: "S.F. Eley" <gt6877c@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 22:19:46 -0400
Paolo wrote:

> At 11.41 24/08/95 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >REGISTRATION
> >Project name [which hasn't been decided yet, BTW]
>
> SHADOW WORLD


I dunno, I really favor "NERPS Underworld" m'self.. Underworld has that
gritty, dark feeling to it. >8->

Just my opinion, in case they're being solicited..

Blessings,

_TNX._

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Please don't blame anyone else. | himself up and continue on." - Churchill
Message no. 16
From: Todd Dresser <tcd@******.DIGEX.NET>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 09:46:34 -0400
On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, S.F. Eley wrote:

> Paolo wrote:
>
> > At 11.41 24/08/95 +0200, you wrote:
> >
> > >REGISTRATION
> > >Project name [which hasn't been decided yet, BTW]
> >
> > SHADOW WORLD
>
>
> I dunno, I really favor "NERPS Underworld" m'self.. Underworld has that
> gritty, dark feeling to it. >8->
>
> Just my opinion, in case they're being solicited..
>
> Blessings,
>
> _TNX._
>
> --
> Stephen F. Eley (-) gt6877c@*****.gatech.edu )-( Student Pagan Community
> http://wc62.residence.gatech.edu| "Man will occasionally stumble over the
> My opinions are my opinions. | truth, but most of the time he will pick
> Please don't blame anyone else. | himself up and continue on." - Churchill
>

I say SHADOW WORLD. It gives that dark nature, without leading to the
Mafia or the Yak. FASA has those covered, though I'm sure all the GMs
tinker with their own style. Let's leave the "Organized" Underworld, and
deal with the "SHADOW WORLD" where we live, breath, and run.

~GRAY~


AKA
Todd Dresser
Message no. 17
From: Michael Gulick <dagger@***.TIAC.NET>
Subject: Re: New Project: NERPS Underworld?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 21:45:18 -0400
I think "ALLEYS OF THE SHADOW" would make a good title.

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