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Message no. 1
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 04:18:43 -0500
OK, here's a little submission for you all :]

Bull

-------------------------

(>) Here's a few new things that have recently hit the streets. The
original designs of these nasty little things is from Yamatetsu, of all
places, though you won;t find them in any catalog. Enjoy, and drop me a
line at LTG 286-680601 if you see anything you like.
(>) Lifeline

CYBERWARE

RETRACTABLE FANGS
Essence: 0.1
Cost: 5,000 Nuyen
Availability: 4/7 days
Street Index: 2

Retractable fangs are cybernetic implants within the mouth that replaces
the upper first canine teeth with stainless steel teeth capable of
extending out to one inch in length, and retracting back to normal length.
These false teeth can also be enameld to match your other teeth.

These teeth have become quite popular among the gothic community as they
allow a person to gain a "vampire" look.

(>) Hehe,,, Who needs fake fangs when I got real ones?
(>) Alucard

Retractable Fangs can also have a venom sac added, allowing the bearer to
give a "poisonous" bite.

(>) Adds a whole new level to the phrase "Bite Me". :)
(>) Plisken

VENOM SACK
Essence: 0.1
Cost: 8,000 Nuyen
Availability: 8/14 days
Street Index 3

The venom sack is a small fluid compartment placed inside the upper jaw,
allowing the user to secrete a poison through a set of hollow steel fangs.
The sack holds enough venom for up to 20 injections, and can be
refilled with minor work. Various poisons and knock out posions are
available.

(>) Be VERY careful with these, especially if you pick up the Deadly
Venom. One good shot to the head in the right place will crack the sack,
and leak posion into your blood stream. A guy I ran with on occasion had a
venom sack. He got into a bar fight, took a shot to the head, and went
unconsious. 2 minutes later, his face is turning balck and he's
convulsing. Not a pretty sight.
(>) Sin-sin

(>) Another thing to worry about is that these things are a pain to
refill. I got me a set of the fangs, and ran out of venom a while back.
Went in for the "minor work" of having the refilled. The doc had to pull
the sack out completely to refill it. Was just as much work to have it
refilled as it was to have it put in the first time. More trouble than
it's worth.
I wish the bioware version of the venom sack was compatible with the
retractable Fangs. Would make life a whole lot sinmpler.
(>) Troglobite

BIOWARE

Venomous Fangs
Body Index: .5
Cost: Non-Lethal: 15,000 Nuyen
Lethal: 18,000 Nuyen
Availability: 8/14 days
Street Index: 3

These bio-engineered poisonous fangs are designed similar to a cobra's. A
Posion Gland is implanted, along with a venom sack and a set of 1/2 inch
fangs. This glad secretes enough for 6 bits at one time, and refills
itself every 12 hours.

Two types of venom are available, lethal posion and a non-lethal knock out
poison. The lethal deals 8D damage, while the non-lethal deals 8D stun.
It is not possible to get both lethal and non-lethal put in.

The venom gland is not compatible with the retractable fangs cybernetic
implant.

(>) These are beautiful. Be real careful of biting your own tongue
though. This can hurt. A lot. i suggest getting a toxin filter installed
with this to keep yourself out of trouble.
(>) TheC@**.The.Hat.Net

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Message no. 2
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:24:06 -0500
At 03-Nov-97 wrote Bull:


>(>) These are beautiful. Be real careful of biting your own tongue
>though. This can hurt. A lot. i suggest getting a toxin filter installed
>with this to keep yourself out of trouble.
>(>) TheC@**.The.Hat.Net

(>) Take care to whom you show your fangs, some people can get just a little
to nervous if they see them. To parade as an vampir is not always a good
thing to do.
(>) Barbie
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Message no. 3
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:54:56 -0700
Barbie wrote:
|
| At 03-Nov-97 wrote Bull:
|
|
| >(>) These are beautiful. Be real careful of biting your own tongue
| >though. This can hurt. A lot. i suggest getting a toxin filter installed
| >with this to keep yourself out of trouble.
| >(>) TheC@**.The.Hat.Net
|
| (>) Take care to whom you show your fangs, some people can get just a little
| to nervous if they see them. To parade as an vampir is not always a good
| thing to do.
| (>) Barbie

(>) What's even worse are the vampire wanna be's who chase after you
screaming, "Bite me, bite me!"
(>) Graht

-David
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--
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which ones to keep."
Message no. 4
From: David Mezerette <mezeretted@*****.U-NANCY.FR>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:49:40 +0100
At 04:18 03/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>OK, here's a little submission for you all :]
>
>Bull

>Retractable fangs are cybernetic implants within the mouth that replaces
>the upper first canine teeth with stainless steel teeth capable of
>extending out to one inch in length, and retracting back to normal length.
>These false teeth can also be enameld to match your other teeth.

(>) stainless steel? i thought they'd rather use some ceramics, such as
alumina or something like that...fewer bio-compatibility problems, and as
hard as the steel ones
(>) ChYlD



ChYlD
mezeretted@*****.u-nancy.fr
Message no. 5
From: Glenn Robb <GLENNROBB@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:45:17 -0700
Bull wrote:

> OK, here's a little submission for you all :]
>
> Bull
>
> -------------------------
>
> (>) Here's a few new things that have recently hit the streets. The
> original designs of these nasty little things is from Yamatetsu, of all
> places, though you won;t find them in any catalog. Enjoy, and drop me a
> line at LTG 286-680601 if you see anything you like.
> (>) Lifeline
>
> CYBERWARE
>
> RETRACTABLE FANGS
> Essence: 0.1
> Cost: 5,000 Nuyen
> Availability: 4/7 days
> Street Index: 2
>
> Retractable fangs are cybernetic implants within the mouth that replaces
> the upper first canine teeth with stainless steel teeth capable of
> extending out to one inch in length, and retracting back to normal length.
> These false teeth can also be enameld to match your other teeth.
>
> These teeth have become quite popular among the gothic community as they
> allow a person to gain a "vampire" look.
>
> (>) Hehe,,, Who needs fake fangs when I got real ones?
> (>) Alucard
>
> Retractable Fangs can also have a venom sac added, allowing the bearer to
> give a "poisonous" bite.
>
> (>) Adds a whole new level to the phrase "Bite Me". :)
> (>) Plisken
>

(>) Bite me! :-)(>) The Neo-Iconoclast

> VENOM SACK
> Essence: 0.1
> Cost: 8,000 Nuyen
> Availability: 8/14 days
> Street Index 3
>
> The venom sack is a small fluid compartment placed inside the upper jaw,
> allowing the user to secrete a poison through a set of hollow steel fangs.
> The sack holds enough venom for up to 20 injections, and can be
> refilled with minor work. Various poisons and knock out posions are
> available.
>
> (>) Be VERY careful with these, especially if you pick up the Deadly
> Venom. One good shot to the head in the right place will crack the sack,
> and leak posion into your blood stream. A guy I ran with on occasion had a
> venom sack. He got into a bar fight, took a shot to the head, and went
> unconsious. 2 minutes later, his face is turning balck and he's
> convulsing. Not a pretty sight.
> (>) Sin-sin
>
> (>) Another thing to worry about is that these things are a pain to
> refill. I got me a set of the fangs, and ran out of venom a while back.
> Went in for the "minor work" of having the refilled. The doc had to pull
> the sack out completely to refill it. Was just as much work to have it
> refilled as it was to have it put in the first time. More trouble than
> it's worth.
> I wish the bioware version of the venom sack was compatible with the
> retractable Fangs. Would make life a whole lot sinmpler.
> (>) Troglobite
>
> BIOWARE
>
> Venomous Fangs
> Body Index: .5
> Cost: Non-Lethal: 15,000 Nuyen
> Lethal: 18,000 Nuyen
> Availability: 8/14 days
> Street Index: 3
>
> These bio-engineered poisonous fangs are designed similar to a cobra's. A
> Posion Gland is implanted, along with a venom sack and a set of 1/2 inch
> fangs. This glad secretes enough for 6 bits at one time, and refills
> itself every 12 hours.
>
> Two types of venom are available, lethal posion and a non-lethal knock out
> poison. The lethal deals 8D damage, while the non-lethal deals 8D stun.
> It is not possible to get both lethal and non-lethal put in.
>
> The venom gland is not compatible with the retractable fangs cybernetic
> implant.
>
> (>) These are beautiful. Be real careful of biting your own tongue
> though. This can hurt. A lot. i suggest getting a toxin filter installed
> with this to keep yourself out of trouble.
> (>) TheC@**.The.Hat.Net
>

(>) I knew a physad that got one of these once. He bit himself on the lip, and
the poor man ended up going to the hospital to be detoxed. He was so angry
that he had them removed and had the retractible fangs installed instead.(>)
The Neo-Iconoclast
Message no. 6
From: "Paolo Falco, Explorer" <Falco@****.IT>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:36:50 +0000
Bull thus did speak about Posioned Fangs :]:

Good idea, still...

> (>) These are beautiful. Be real careful of biting your own tongue
> though. This can hurt. A lot. i suggest getting a toxin filter installed
> with this to keep yourself out of trouble.
> (>) TheC@**.The.Hat.Net

Don't you think EVERYONE would prove that he's real stupid to
install a set of these? I mean, you could die by biting your own
tongue. I suggest the replacement of the name "Venom sack" with
"Injection sack", and make the venom option a big deal more shadowy.
Plus, having the sack filled with other things, such as
aphrodisiacs or drugs, could be a real charmer with the vampire
wannabees, and would stay legal.

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Message no. 7
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:42:17 +1000
> >
> > Two types of venom are available, lethal posion and a non-lethal knock out
> > poison. The lethal deals 8D damage, while the non-lethal deals 8D stun.
> > It is not possible to get both lethal and non-lethal put in.
> >

8D ???? Holy Drek...... That's a little bit high for a venom, considering
you only get Body dice to resist; No armour or combat pool.

The average person is going to die about 95% of the time, and the average
troll doesn't have a much better chance. Perhaps lower the damage code
to 5D??
Message no. 8
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:42:58 -0700
MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:
/
/ > >
/ > > Two types of venom are available, lethal posion and a non-lethal knock out
/ > > poison. The lethal deals 8D damage, while the non-lethal deals 8D stun.
/ > > It is not possible to get both lethal and non-lethal put in.
/ > >
/
/ 8D ???? Holy Drek...... That's a little bit high for a venom, considering
/ you only get Body dice to resist; No armour or combat pool.
/
/ The average person is going to die about 95% of the time, and the average
/ troll doesn't have a much better chance. Perhaps lower the damage code
/ to 5D??

Well, if you're bitten by a king cobra your chances of survival are
what, less than 1%, if you don't receive treatment. Lethal poisons
are just that, lethal. There are very few lethal poisons that have
less than a 90-100% success rate. And some are not treatable (like
Mercury poisoning).

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
Message no. 9
From: Timothy Teravainen <p042668b@**.SEFLIN.ORG>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:50:16 -0500
> / > > Two types of venom are available, lethal posion and a non-lethal knock
out
> / > > poison. The lethal deals 8D damage, while the non-lethal deals 8D stun.
> / > > It is not possible to get both lethal and non-lethal put in.
> / > >
> /
> / The average person is going to die about 95% of the time, and the average
> / troll doesn't have a much better chance. Perhaps lower the damage code
> / to 5D??
>
> Well, if you're bitten by a king cobra your chances of survival are
> what, less than 1%, if you don't receive treatment. Lethal poisons
> are just that, lethal. There are very few lethal poisons that have
> less than a 90-100% success rate. And some are not treatable (like
> Mercury poisoning).
>
Fact of the matter is, all bulldrek aside, the majority of the
population (I might dare to venture) will be much more invulnerable to
poisoning than today. Even if this is not true in _205x_ Earth, it can
be assumed that those who would be targets of these fangs (the
shadow-community) will be. Poison in 205x should be a totally different
deal from today; those same nanites which thread the delicate gold wire
which lets you see the world through those Fuchi cybereyes can really
wreak havoc on the integrity of your body (and mind...). Life has been
so much more interesting since the advent of nanotechnology. We need a
NERPS:Poison supplement, that would be interesting.

-Timothy Teravainen
(p042668b@**.seflin.org)

p.s. Sorry if I'm being a little too presumptuous, given my low activity
on this list.
Message no. 10
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:47:22 -0700
Timothy Teravainen wrote:
/
/ > / The average person is going to die about 95% of the time, and the average
/ > / troll doesn't have a much better chance. Perhaps lower the damage code
/ > / to 5D??
/ >
/ > Well, if you're bitten by a king cobra your chances of survival are
/ > what, less than 1%, if you don't receive treatment. Lethal poisons
/ > are just that, lethal. There are very few lethal poisons that have
/ > less than a 90-100% success rate. And some are not treatable (like
/ > Mercury poisoning).
/ >
/ Fact of the matter is, all bulldrek aside, the majority of the
/ population (I might dare to venture) will be much more invulnerable to
/ poisoning than today. Even if this is not true in _205x_ Earth, it can
/ be assumed that those who would be targets of these fangs (the
/ shadow-community) will be. Poison in 205x should be a totally different
/ deal from today; those same nanites which thread the delicate gold wire
/ which lets you see the world through those Fuchi cybereyes can really
/ wreak havoc on the integrity of your body (and mind...). Life has been
/ so much more interesting since the advent of nanotechnology.

Aroo? If you don't want to be affected by poison in SR get a poison
filter thingie (the name escapes me). If anything VITAS has proven
that society is more susceptable to poisons.

/ We need a
/ NERPS:Poison supplement, that would be interesting.

I'm playing with the idea. But the research required is pretty
daunting.

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
Message no. 11
From: Timothy Teravainen <p042668b@**.SEFLIN.ORG>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:00:32 -0500
On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, David Buehrer wrote:

> Timothy Teravainen wrote:
> /
> / > / The average person is going to die about 95% of the time, and the average
> / > / troll doesn't have a much better chance. Perhaps lower the damage code
> / > / to 5D??
> / >
> / > Well, if you're bitten by a king cobra your chances of survival are
> / > what, less than 1%, if you don't receive treatment. Lethal poisons
> / > are just that, lethal. There are very few lethal poisons that have
> / > less than a 90-100% success rate. And some are not treatable (like
> / > Mercury poisoning).
> / >
> / Fact of the matter is, all bulldrek aside, the majority of the
> / population (I might dare to venture) will be much more invulnerable to
> / poisoning than today. Even if this is not true in _205x_ Earth, it can
> / be assumed that those who would be targets of these fangs (the
> / shadow-community) will be. Poison in 205x should be a totally different
> / deal from today; those same nanites which thread the delicate gold wire
> / which lets you see the world through those Fuchi cybereyes can really
> / wreak havoc on the integrity of your body (and mind...). Life has been
> / so much more interesting since the advent of nanotechnology.
>
> Aroo? If you don't want to be affected by poison in SR get a poison
> filter thingie (the name escapes me). If anything VITAS has proven
> that society is more susceptable to poisons.

VITAS, by strict definition, wasn't (isn't) a poison so much as a
viral epidemic. It stretches what poison means, and this should be
addressed. And, if the poison filter is biological (or even a weak
cybernetic one), will it be able to fight a hostile nanite invasion? How
could nanites be controlled to do this? Remotely? Hive intelligence?
(Not, _HIVE_...) Are nanites poisonous, or just a bunch of little
soldiers merrily ripping apart your insides? What are the extents of
205x poison on the respiratory/circulatory, and especially NERVOUS
systems? There is a LOT of potentially excellent gaming material here,
and throwing it all away by saying "I have a Level 9 Filtration System"
is a waste.

>
> / We need a
> / NERPS:Poison supplement, that would be interesting.
>
> I'm playing with the idea. But the research required is pretty
> daunting.
I'm pretty sure FASA thinks the same way; the only book with real
genetics/bioscience behind it is Shadowtech, which was primarily written
by... a bioscientist. (I think, could be wrong). Still, I'd chip in
whatever I could.

-Timothy Teravainen
-p042668b@**.seflin.org
Message no. 12
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:43:33 +1000
> Aroo? If you don't want to be affected by poison in SR get a poison
> filter thingie (the name escapes me). If anything VITAS has proven
> that society is more susceptable to poisons.
>

The essence cost is rather prohibitive for the minor benefits and the
narrow scope of use.

Perhaps this thread would be better on the ShadowRN list?

Marty
Message no. 13
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 05:40:40 -0500
At 07:42 PM 11/4/97 +1000, MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote these timeless words:
>> >
>> > Two types of venom are available, lethal posion and a non-lethal knock
out
>> > poison. The lethal deals 8D damage, while the non-lethal deals 8D stun.
>> > It is not possible to get both lethal and non-lethal put in.
>> >
>
>8D ???? Holy Drek...... That's a little bit high for a venom, considering
>you only get Body dice to resist; No armour or combat pool.
>
>The average person is going to die about 95% of the time, and the average
>troll doesn't have a much better chance. Perhaps lower the damage code
>to 5D??
>
I did this for two reasons:

A) The types of posion I'm basing this on are quite deadly. Cobra Venom,
and a lot of the Spider Venoms. The only reason they aren;t even deadlier
is that in something as small as a Spider, or even your average Cobra, it
simply can;t inject enough in a single bite. A larger creature doing the
biting can inject much more venom.

B) Biting someone sufficiently for posioning would NOT be an easy thing to
do in a (Meta)Human. Our jaws simply aren;t designed for it. If the
victim was prone for some reason, sure it would be easy. But so would
slicing their throat.

These are neat little toys, but they are not going to alll that over
powering... They're also reletively expensive (Compared to, say, cyanide
to spray from an Ares Squirt), and also possibly quite dangerous to the
user, as my Shadowtalk Comments mentioned. And, they're also difficult to
use in combat...;]

Also, as I said, compare them to some existing toxins thata re pretty
easily obtained that can be fired in a wide spray from an Ares Super
Squirt: Cyanide, which if I recall has a hideous damage code, and Gamma
Scopolamine, a 10D stun juice that also can;t be reduced by armor.

Bull
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Message no. 14
From: Timothy Teravainen <p042668b@**.SEFLIN.ORG>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:22:55 -0500
On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Bull wrote:

> At 07:42 PM 11/4/97 +1000, MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote these timeless words:
> >> >
> >> > Two types of venom are available, lethal posion and a non-lethal knock
> out
> >> > poison. The lethal deals 8D damage, while the non-lethal deals 8D
stun.
> >> > It is not possible to get both lethal and non-lethal put in.
> >> >

I just thought of this, wouldn't it make more sense to have the
item available, with a modular "choice" of what to fill it with? Why
restrict the user to one (two) venom(s)? I don't see a reason they can't
just stuff in whatever they want. That's the whole point of cyberware:
customization of the body.
Message no. 15
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@********.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:34:48 -0800
On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Bull wrote:

> B) Biting someone sufficiently for posioning would NOT be an easy thing to
> do in a (Meta)Human. Our jaws simply aren;t designed for it. If the
> victim was prone for some reason, sure it would be easy. But so would
> slicing their throat.

Unless you happen to be gifted with unusually large canines... like most
versions of Orcs or Trolls. :] (or do you have that trademarked yet Bull?
:)

> These are neat little toys, but they are not going to alll that over
> powering... They're also reletively expensive (Compared to, say, cyanide
> to spray from an Ares Squirt), and also possibly quite dangerous to the
> user, as my Shadowtalk Comments mentioned. And, they're also difficult to
> use in combat...;]

[snip]

On a similar note.. why not take the same technology/concept, but applied
to something like Spurs or Hand razors? These "delivery systems" are
doubtlessly much more prone to the type of penetration needed for a poison
are they not?

> Bull


Another thing about all those comments about poisoning yourself... doesn't
the toxin exhaler in ShadowTech indicate that the host/user is granted
immunity to the toxin that is produced in the gland? Couldn't the fangs
be designed along similar lines?

~Tim
Message no. 16
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:31:02 -0500
At 06:22 AM 11/5/97 -0500, Timothy Teravainen wrote these timeless words:
>On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Bull wrote:
>
>> At 07:42 PM 11/4/97 +1000, MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote these timeless words:
>> >> >
>> >> > Two types of venom are available, lethal posion and a non-lethal
knock
>> out
>> >> > poison. The lethal deals 8D damage, while the non-lethal deals 8D
stun.
>> >> > It is not possible to get both lethal and non-lethal put in.
>> >> >
>
> I just thought of this, wouldn't it make more sense to have the
>item available, with a modular "choice" of what to fill it with? Why
>restrict the user to one (two) venom(s)? I don't see a reason they can't
>just stuff in whatever they want. That's the whole point of cyberware:
>customization of the body.
>
Actually, this version is the Bioware version, which tends to be a bit more
limited in choices, rather than Cyber, which is, as you said, more Modular
in design.

It can also be easily customized for whatever posion your GM sees fit to
use. I just listed a couple of what would be the most common posions that
it would use. I know next to nothing about RL poisons, so I deliberately
left it vague. Leaves room for the GM to play with it...:]

Bull
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Message no. 17
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Posioned Fangs :]
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:31:05 -0500
At 01:34 PM 11/5/97 -0800, Tim Cooper wrote these timeless words:
>On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Bull wrote:
>
>> B) Biting someone sufficiently for posioning would NOT be an easy thing to
>> do in a (Meta)Human. Our jaws simply aren;t designed for it. If the
>> victim was prone for some reason, sure it would be easy. But so would
>> slicing their throat.
>
>Unless you happen to be gifted with unusually large canines... like most
>versions of Orcs or Trolls. :] (or do you have that trademarked yet Bull?
>:)
>
One thing though... Orks and Trolls have "Tusks", which usually jut up
from the lower jaw. The venom is injected through the upper canines. Orks
and Trolls might even have a harder time using these because their tusks
get in the way! :] Also, Snakes, which the concept is modeled after, use
the upper teeth as well...

The Tusks couldn;t be used to inject the venom because the Venom Sack
wouldn;t fit easily in the jower jaw, which is mostly bone and solid muscle.

Also, I simply didn;t design them that way, but... Like any thing else,
it's easily customizable for whatever suits your needs...:]

As for the "Ork Smiley", no, I haven;t trademarked it... I plan to slowly
take over the world with it :]

>> These are neat little toys, but they are not going to alll that over
>> powering... They're also reletively expensive (Compared to, say, cyanide
>> to spray from an Ares Squirt), and also possibly quite dangerous to the
>> user, as my Shadowtalk Comments mentioned. And, they're also difficult to
>> use in combat...;]
>
>[snip]
>
>On a similar note.. why not take the same technology/concept, but applied
>to something like Spurs or Hand razors? These "delivery systems" are
>doubtlessly much more prone to the type of penetration needed for a poison
>are they not?
>
Very true, and also very easily adapted. :] Good thinking! But save this
for a surprise on your group... <egm>

>Another thing about all those comments about poisoning yourself... doesn't
>the toxin exhaler in ShadowTech indicate that the host/user is granted
>immunity to the toxin that is produced in the gland? Couldn't the fangs
>be designed along similar lines?
>
They could, but I probably wouldn;t allow it without an additional
modificaion like a toxin filter. That way it balances out the high damage
code with the danger to the user, unless he takes precautions. :]

Thanks for the comments! I'm glad to see you guys are, at the very least,
intrigued by this idea :]

Bull
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