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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Shadowlore
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 23:38:33 -0600
Ok, I did some experiments this evening.

The postscript output, espicially if we put in scanned artwork (and two
people have already written asking to contribute artwork). Even if I
scan them at a low resolution (say 150 or 300 DPI), they will still
produce a very large file.

As an example, I postscriptized a 1" x 1" 600dpi greyscale image. Size
of postscripted output? 1.7 megs. I suppose if I shrunk it down to 300
dpi, perhaps what would become .9 megs.

Now, I personally don't have a problem with large files, but if we put in
more than, say, a dozen pictures, we could end up with a 10MB file.

This isn't good.

Anyone have any opinions? Should I forget the scanned images and jsut
stick with text and formatting, or shoudl I go for it?

Also, I have enough proofers now.

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Message no. 2
From: Mark Imbriaco <mark@**.ODU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowlore
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:01:59 -0500
On Tue, 8 Feb 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Ok, I did some experiments this evening.
>
> The postscript output, espicially if we put in scanned artwork (and two
> people have already written asking to contribute artwork). Even if I
> scan them at a low resolution (say 150 or 300 DPI), they will still
> produce a very large file.
>
> As an example, I postscriptized a 1" x 1" 600dpi greyscale image. Size
> of postscripted output? 1.7 megs. I suppose if I shrunk it down to 300
> dpi, perhaps what would become .9 megs.
>
> Now, I personally don't have a problem with large files, but if we put in
> more than, say, a dozen pictures, we could end up with a 10MB file.
>
> This isn't good.
>
> Anyone have any opinions? Should I forget the scanned images and jsut
> stick with text and formatting, or shoudl I go for it?

Check the program you are using, and see if you can output to black
& white dithered files. They reduce the disk space dramatically. If
that doesn't support it, you can save the stuff into .gif format, and one
of us on the list with access the XV can convert it down. Most of the
images are just going to be line art anyway, right?

Mark
Message no. 3
From: Nathan J Yourchuck <nyourchu@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowlore
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:34:55 CST
>Now, I personally don't have a problem with large files, but if we
>put in
>more than, say, a dozen pictures, we could end up with a 10MB file.

I don't know how vital everyone else feels the artwork is, but all
the images could be put into a seperate file (like Shadowgrafx).
Anybody who wants the pictures could print them out seperately. The
scanned images would be similiar to the color plates found in many
rulebooks.
Message no. 4
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowlore
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:36:53 -0600
On Wed, 9 Feb 1994, Nathan J Yourchuck wrote:

> I don't know how vital everyone else feels the artwork is, but all
> the images could be put into a seperate file (like Shadowgrafx).
> Anybody who wants the pictures could print them out seperately. The
> scanned images would be similiar to the color plates found in many
> rulebooks.

Well, the idea was to encorporate the pictures integrally into the
document instead of having a seperate group of files.

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Message no. 5
From: "Bryan D. Jones" <bdj@****.UARK.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowlore
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 12:45:55 -0600
"In an earlier message Robert A. Hayden quoted to Bryan..."
>
>Anyone have any opinions? Should I forget the scanned images and jsut
>stick with text and formatting, or shoudl I go for it?
>
Sure make it an RTF document instead. :)
Guess postscript don't make the world go round anymore.


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Message no. 6
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowlore
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 15:32:01 -0600
On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, Bryan D. Jones wrote:

> "In an earlier message Robert A. Hayden quoted to Bryan..."
> >
> >Anyone have any opinions? Should I forget the scanned images and jsut
> >stick with text and formatting, or shoudl I go for it?
> >
> Sure make it an RTF document instead. :)
> Guess postscript don't make the world go round anymore.

The problem is that RTF is not universal. Postscript can be printed on
ANY machine with a driver. RTF is microsoft specific and, while you
could bring it up on Mac and Windows, that's baout it.


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Message no. 7
From: "Bryan D. Jones" <bdj@****.UARK.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowlore
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 16:45:21 -0600
"In an earlier message Robert A. Hayden quoted to Bryan..."
>
>On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, Bryan D. Jones wrote:
>
>> "In an earlier message Robert A. Hayden quoted to Bryan..."
>> >
>> >Anyone have any opinions? Should I forget the scanned images and jsut
>> >stick with text and formatting, or shoudl I go for it?
>> >
>> Sure make it an RTF document instead. :)
>> Guess postscript don't make the world go round anymore.
>
>The problem is that RTF is not universal. Postscript can be printed on
>ANY machine with a driver. RTF is microsoft specific and, while you
>could bring it up on Mac and Windows, that's baout it.
>
Perhaps the solution is to make a postscript an rtf and a straight ascii
available?


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Message no. 8
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowlore
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 18:57:04 -0600
On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, Bryan D. Jones wrote:

> Perhaps the solution is to make a postscript an rtf and a straight ascii
> available?

The following formats will be available:
PostScript
RTF
MicroSoft Word for Mac (may also work on Word for Windows)

I'll also dump the file to ascii, but I'm not going to clean it up and
make it look spiffy.

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Message no. 9
From: "Bryan D. Jones" <bdj@****.UARK.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowlore
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 23:14:28 -0600
"In an earlier message Robert A. Hayden quoted to Bryan..."
>
>The following formats will be available:
> PostScript
> RTF
> MicroSoft Word for Mac (may also work on Word for Windows)
Looks like we got the bases covered don't it?

>
>I'll also dump the file to ascii, but I'm not going to clean it up and
>make it look spiffy.
I don't blame you if they want ascii it's fairly simple for them to format
it to the form they want.

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Message no. 10
From: J D Falk <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowlore
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 00:44:42 -40962758
After some discussion (which I've deleted), Bryan thunked...
>
> Perhaps the solution is to make a postscript an rtf and a straight ascii
> available?
>
I must agree...to be honest, I was going to try to make an ASCII
version for myself out of the RTF anyway, since I'm having trouble with
Postscript files.
There should also be a read.me file explaining what each of the
different versions is for people who don't understand. But that can be
dealt with later.
Message no. 11
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: ShadowLore
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 21:43:42 -0600
Hmm, it seems that I grossly overestimated the final size of ShadowLore.
I have completed everything except to the technical gagets and the behind
the scenese stuff (contacts, two-weapon rules, etc), and Jason Carter's
Spell Indexes for the appendix, and it is only 50 pages long. At this
rate, it will be about 75 pages of so when done.

Is this good or bad?

Of course, this doesn't include any scanned artwork (haven't gotten any
yet), so that might increase it a little bit, but probably not by more
than a few pages.

It looks nice, but I guess we don't have nearly as much information as I
though we had originally.

Sorry to get your hopes up.

With luck, I'll have everyone in by the end of the week, and then will
spend a week cleaning it up a little. Depending on what happens with
artwork, the beta version may go out a week or two early.

Comments appreciated as always.

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Message no. 12
From: Mark Imbriaco <mark@**.ODU.EDU>
Subject: Re: ShadowLore
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 09:03:42 -0500
On Mon, 14 Feb 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Hmm, it seems that I grossly overestimated the final size of ShadowLore.
> I have completed everything except to the technical gagets and the behind
> the scenese stuff (contacts, two-weapon rules, etc), and Jason Carter's
> Spell Indexes for the appendix, and it is only 50 pages long. At this
> rate, it will be about 75 pages of so when done.
>
> Is this good or bad?

Good and bad. Good, because our HP's toner cartridge will be a
bit happier, and bad, because I was hoping it would be a bit longer.
Still, short works tend to hold attention much better than longer
ones, and this is a definite plus.

Mark
Message no. 13
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 16:27:48 -0600
Ok, I am now printing out the doned ShadowLore document, cuz it just got
doned.

# pages: 87
Size: 294k in Word format
328k in RTF format
1.8MB in PostScript Format

This may increase as I still need to add in an editorial and _maybe_ an
index (it's a lot of work to index it, and there is so little material
that the table of contents will probably suffice). I may also add the
weapons compilation table, which will be about another 5 or so pages.

I'll be spending the next week or so proofing the printout, and then will
be sending the beta-proofers the document so THEY can look over it.
They'll have about two weeks to get their responses back to me and then
I'll fix it according to that, output a final RTF and Postscript version,
and they will find themself up for FTP, most likely on teetot.

As for the lost submissions from the current project. I think I
recovered most of them and I'll be posting that list later tonight (I
managed some lab time this afternoon, that's why I haven't done it yet.)
PLEASE take a look at that list and see what, if anything is missing, so
that I can try to recover as much as possible.

Questions? As always, just ask (but don't ask 'What is ShadowLore', I'm
getting tired of answerring that one).


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Message no. 14
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: shadowlore
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 19:56:15 -0700
One thing that I have noticed with the shadowLore that I downloaded was a very
large number of page-breaks right in the middle of someplace where they were
not needed, like when someones name comes up with their intro to the article
(the NAME, artical, address thing) and then there is a page break before the
article. Ofcourse - in MS Word all you have to do is Replace all these
anoyances with paragraph markers.


As to Font size - mine came in size 12 - which I changed to size 10.
The brandname cyber I changed to size 9 - it all seems to work nicely.
(only 50 more pages to print)



BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!
Daniel Waisley + SCA - March of Ered Sul - Flagstaff AZ
DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU + Nau fencing club.
"Nightfox" + Brotherhood of the Cryptic Demesne -household
BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!
GE - d+(-) -p+@ c++(++++) !L u(--) e+(*) m+ s+/ !n+(-) h* f+ g+ w+++ t+ r+ y+
"infinity = zero" - Daniel Waisley "Nightfox"
BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!
Message no. 15
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 00:46:56 -0600
Here's a very quick update on ShadowLore:

BetaCopies are still in the hands of the proofers. There has been A LOT
of problems with formatting and the proofers getting what I sent them to
work.

I'm not sure of the best way to approach it. It _may_ involve not
releasing it in versions other than Postscript if our worst nightmares
come true. With luck, it will be available in RTF and Word formats.

Depending on what happens with this problem, there MAY be a potential
delay on the release date. I say that ONLY so that you are aware of the
problems. With luck, I'll get the production problems worked out here so
that future books won't be as delayed.

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Message no. 16
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Shadowlore
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 21:06:48 -0700
Well first of all Rob, you were right in that Weisley is slightly wrong
its Waisley


second - the collumn format never showed up in the uuencoded file that I got.
Even if it does pan out totally right Rob, I'd like a Word version since I plan
on formatting it a lot anyway when I get it (and changing over to Aldus
PageMaker because that program is on the computer with the good print)


I do have one favor to ask of Rob, I just wanted a contest of who has the worst
handwriting (mines atrocious - right Rob?)



BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!
Daniel Waisley + SCA - March of Ered Sul - Flagstaff AZ
DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU + Nau fencing club.
"Nightfox" + Brotherhood of the Cryptic Demesne -household
BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!
GE - d+(-) -p+@ c++(++++) !L u(--) e+(*) m+ s+/ !n+(-) h* f+ g+ w+++ t+ r+ y+
"infinity = zero" - Daniel Waisley "Nightfox"
BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!BOINGEE!!!
Message no. 17
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: ShadowLore
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 14:01:58 -0500
Delayed by 24 hours, because the lab had power problems and I can't get
in to make the PostScript image. It will be open tomorrow morning, and
ShadowLore shoudl be announced by mid-afternoon.

I also need to contact Jerry Stratton and let him know it's coming.

Sorry for the hassles.

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Message no. 18
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: ShadowLore
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 11:32:04 -0500
ShadowLore is done, but there are some problems with distribution to the
FTP site. In addition, the PostScript image I send has a tiny, but major
error in it, so I'm going to get into the lasb in a couple of hours, fix
the error, press a new image, and hopefully it will be up to teetot this
afternoon.

You may be able to find it on teetot.acusd.edu:/pub/incoming later on
today, until it is eventually moved.

I apologize for the hassles.

A formal announcement will be sent out as soon as it is moved out of
incoming into it's proper directory.

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Message no. 19
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Shadowlore
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 19:13:07 +0930
*sigh*

I got the file okay, but the columns overlap!!

What font did you use to create it, Oh Fearless Leader??

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Message no. 20
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowlore
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 11:00:58 -0500
On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, Robert Watkins wrote:

> *sigh*
>
> I got the file okay, but the columns overlap!!
>
> What font did you use to create it, Oh Fearless Leader??

Most of it is in Palatino. The title is in 'archetecht' (sp?)

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