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Message no. 1
From: Robert Svard <robert@*****.SE>
Subject: Siberia Suggestions
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:29:25 +0000
Regarding the Siberia post that came in last week (which was excellent
BTW, can't wait to see the finished thing...), I find a tiny
preoccupation with Big guns and Magic, at the expense of cultural, and
folkloreistc information (which I find much more interesting when
playing myself...). So, in order to remedy the situation, even if just
by a little way, I send you all this fine Siberian recipe. It tastes
great. It's something my old grandmother taught me...


Mix 2,5 teacups of flour (wheat) with 3 eggs, 3 eggs of water (i.e. the
amount of water that fits into the empty eggshells...), and half a
teaspoon of salt, into a rather hard dough. Roll it and cut into small
squares, approx. 4-5 cm.

On these squares, put raw minced-meat mixed with fresh ham, chopped
onions (fried in butter berforehand), salt, and peeper.

Fold the squares (with the contents in it) into a triangel, so that they
look like a serviette in miniature (pinch the corners). Put them in
boiling water, with salt and/or broth. When they float to the top, they
are ready to be served, with butter.

Voila, you now have an excellent, traditional, siberian meal...


====
And now for the links...
====

The Unofficial Evenki homepage.
-- Good, informative, text-based site about
the Evenki people in Siberia and China.
A source of inspiration for writers regarding
native siberians?
http://www.spri.cam.ac.uk/people/jeoh2/2evenki.htm


Tomsk Polytechnic University
-- This site is slower than anything I've seen
on the net so far, and I'm online 12 hours a-day!
Not for the week of heart...
http://www.tpu.edu.ru/TPU/Eng/index.shtml

Irkutsk Information Center
-- For tourists and potentional runners alike,
mirror site in the US, much faster... Anyone heard
about the mondo plane-crash last week, BTW?
http://www.friends-partners.org/~irkutsk/fed/title_eng.html

Virtual Siberia
-- The Baikal lake, Trans-Siberian Railroad etc.
Good stuff and all-around info... US server, fast.
http://fllc.smu.edu/staffpages/keena/siberia/siberiafr.html

Red Elvises
-- The last defenders of cool in Siberia
"...kick-ass rock'n roll...", according to
a Streetfestival spokesman (?) in Edmonton (Canada?)...
http://www.redelvises.com/

====
Robert Sword --- Shaman
Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Siberia Suggestions
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:59:49 -0700
Robert Svard wrote:
)
[snip: serbian recipe and links]

Way cool :) I have a version of that recipe with metric
measurements. Email me privately if you want a copy.


-David
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes.
Art is knowing which ones to keep."
--
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
email: dbuehrer@****.org
Message no. 3
From: Les Ward <lward@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Siberia Suggestions
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:35:18 -0500
>Regarding the Siberia post that came in last week (which was excellent
>BTW, can't wait to see the finished thing...),

The Siberia post was meant to be pretty much finished, so don't expect it
to change a whole lot.

> I find a tiny
>preoccupation with Big guns and Magic, at the expense of cultural, and
>folkloreistc information (which I find much more interesting when
>playing myself...).

As do I. I intend to explore this side of things a bit more when I expand
the post into its own sourcebook after NAGTTW comes out (adding full
sections for each country, and economy section, etc.).

The problem with Siberia is that everything that everything that would give
it traditional folklore and culture has been totally destroyed. In the ASC,
Russian and native culture in the area has been replaced with something
brand new that does not have a long history. Almost all indiginous people
and most Russians have been kicked out of the place, and its current
inhabitants share almost no history with the previous inhabitants or
geography.

Granted this lack of history would provide culture in and of itself. One
thing I did mention in the post is that most early inhabitants rejected
their own culture (Japanese and Russian) and created something new. I did
not really specify what this new culture was though. I can see the point of
having it, but the post is big enough already.

To the original writer (Robert), can I assume you have been to/are
from/have roots in Siberia? If so, maybe we should talk culture privately.

Wordman
Message no. 4
From: Robert Svard <robert@*****.SE>
Subject: Re: Siberia Suggestions
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:54:54 +0000
Les Ward wrote:

> The Siberia post was meant to be pretty much finished, so don't expect it
> to change a whole lot.

Ok. I just thought the subject was interesting enough to make me want to
read more... maybe just my wishfull thinking :-)

> The problem with Siberia is that everything that everything that would give
> it traditional folklore and culture has been totally destroyed. In the ASC,
> Russian and native culture in the area has been replaced with something
> brand new that does not have a long history. Almost all indiginous people
> and most Russians have been kicked out of the place, and its current
> inhabitants share almost no history with the previous inhabitants or
> geography.
>
> Granted this lack of history would provide culture in and of itself. One
> thing I did mention in the post is that most early inhabitants rejected
> their own culture (Japanese and Russian) and created something new. I did
> not really specify what this new culture was though. I can see the point of
> having it, but the post is big enough already.

Yes, I remember that... I was thinking more about the special way of
life that comes with living in Siberia. The long winters, the short
summers, etc. Also the daytime/nighttime ratio in northern Siberia can
wreck the minds of stronger people than myself... (there's an official
term for that condition, some sort of hormone depravation, inducing
depression, vitamin-loss and general exhaustion.) We get it alot,
especially people who aren't born up the north. (No, I don't live in
Siberia... :-)

And BTW, will it be printed, and if so when, where?

And sorry for the long postings, for you out there who don't care much
for Siberia; sorry :-)

//Robert
Message no. 5
From: "Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: Siberia Suggestions
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:09:25 +0000
On 10 Dec 97, Robert Svard disseminated foul capitalist propaganda by
writing:

<snip>
> interesting when playing myself...). So, in order to remedy the
> situation, even if just by a little way, I send you all this fine
> Siberian recipe. It tastes great. It's something my old grandmother
> taught me...
<snip recipe>

> Voila, you now have an excellent, traditional, siberian meal...

Hey, it's not only siberian! Actually, it's a traditional
siberian-russian-ukraininan-bielorussian-and-east-polish meal.

Just being nit-picky. ;>


Leszek Karlik, aka Mike - trrkt@*****.onet.pl; http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike;
Star Wars fan and Amber junkie; FIAWOL; WTF TKD TOO;
FL/GN Leszek/Raptor II/ISD Vanguard, (SS) (PC) (ISM) {IWATS-IIC} JH(Sith)/House Scholae
Palatinae
Lumberjacks do it with their choppers.
Message no. 6
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Siberia Suggestions
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:18:07 +0000
In article <l03110703b0b45b18e213@[205.247.204.149]>, Les Ward
<lward@*******.COM> waffled & burbled about Siberia Suggestions
<snippus>
>The problem with Siberia is that everything that everything that would give
>it traditional folklore and culture has been totally destroyed. In the ASC,
>Russian and native culture in the area has been replaced with something
>brand new that does not have a long history. Almost all indiginous people
>and most Russians have been kicked out of the place, and its current
>inhabitants share almost no history with the previous inhabitants or
>geography.

Granted the majority of the Siberian culture has been "removed", but i
was wondering if you were aware of the current Shamanic cult that
operates in Siberia today, using an ancient "square" of standing stones
as a spiritual centre?

There's still a lot of "strangeness" in the area, and not all of the
indigenous population and culture has left - forcibly or otherwise.


--
Dark Avenger -:- http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm -
Unofficial Shadowtk Newbies Guide, Edgerunners Datastore &
Beginnings of the Underseas Sourcebook.
http://freespace.virgin.net/pete.sims/index.htm - Alternative UK Sourcebook
(U/C)
Message no. 7
From: Les Ward <lward@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Siberia Suggestions
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:29:34 -0500
Avenger wrote:
>Granted the majority of the Siberian culture has been "removed", but i
>was wondering if you were aware of the current Shamanic cult that
>operates in Siberia today, using an ancient "square" of standing stones
>as a spiritual centre?
>
>There's still a lot of "strangeness" in the area, and not all of the
>indigenous population and culture has left - forcibly or otherwise.

Oo! Oo! Let's hear about it! I have not heard about it but it sounds tailor
made for SR.

Also, whenever Siberia is put up on the web site, a lot of this stuff could
be good decker comments.

Wordman

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