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Message no. 1
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Web Shooters! :]
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:13:25 -0400
Hi all... A while back I created an Adept with Spider-Man like powers, and
created "web shooters" to go along with the theme, and since we're doing
this new "mini project", I figured I'd post them here for all to see and
critique...

What do you think, sirs? :]

Bull

------

** WEB SHOOTERS

The Web Shooters are a pair of wrist mounted devices that can fire a stream
of liquid that hardens almost instantly (about three seconds after contact
with air) into a very tough (strength 8) and incredibly sticky "webbing".
This can be used for tying up or capturing people, as well as for "web
swinging", a method of travel that involves firing webbing from building to
building and swinging on it as if on a rope. They fire at ranges
equivelant to a heavy pistol.

The web shooters have 5 small canisters on each wrist, all linked to the
firing mechanism. Each canister contains enough of the "web" compound
to fire 100 meters of webbing, thus between both wrist units, a full charge
will allow the wearer to fire up to 1000 meters of webbing.

Web Shooters are fairly rare and hard to find, thus they have a fairly high
cost.

Cost: 2000 Nuyen per shooter, 100 Nuyen per canister of webbing. Street
Index is 3.

(>) I find these babies to be incredably reliable and effective. but
then, I *AM* your friendly neighborhood wall-crawler, and I did invent the
things.

(>) Spider-Man

(>) How do these nuts keep finding this stuff?

(>) Why me?
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Message no. 2
From: Glenn Robb <GLENNROBB@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Web Shooters! :]
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:31:20 -0600
Sorry Dude,

But your Web Shooters will infringe on certain copyrights if we publish
it. At least I'm speaking for myself. I wonder what the others think.

— Elton Robb

Bull wrote:

> Hi all... A while back I created an Adept with Spider-Man like powers, and
> created "web shooters" to go along with the theme, and since we're doing
> this new "mini project", I figured I'd post them here for all to see and
> critique...
>
> What do you think, sirs? :]
>
> Bull
>
> ------
>
> ** WEB SHOOTERS
>
> The Web Shooters are a pair of wrist mounted devices that can fire a stream
> of liquid that hardens almost instantly (about three seconds after contact
> with air) into a very tough (strength 8) and incredibly sticky "webbing".
> This can be used for tying up or capturing people, as well as for "web
> swinging", a method of travel that involves firing webbing from building to
> building and swinging on it as if on a rope. They fire at ranges
> equivelant to a heavy pistol.
>
> The web shooters have 5 small canisters on each wrist, all linked to the
> firing mechanism. Each canister contains enough of the "web" compound
> to fire 100 meters of webbing, thus between both wrist units, a full charge
> will allow the wearer to fire up to 1000 meters of webbing.
>
> Web Shooters are fairly rare and hard to find, thus they have a fairly high
> cost.
>
> Cost: 2000 Nuyen per shooter, 100 Nuyen per canister of webbing. Street
> Index is 3.
>
> (>) I find these babies to be incredably reliable and effective. but
> then, I *AM* your friendly neighborhood wall-crawler, and I did invent the
> things.
>
> (>) Spider-Man
>
> (>) How do these nuts keep finding this stuff?
>
> (>) Why me?
> --
> Bull, aka Steven Ratkovich, aka Rak, aka a lot of others! :]
>
> The Offical Celebrity Shadowrn Mailing List Welcome Ork Decker!
> Fearless Leader of the Star Wars Mailing List
> List Flunky of ShadowCreations, creators of the Newbies Guide,
> in production now!
> HOME PAGE: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3604/home.html
>
> "CrapGame, you bitch!"
> -- R.C. during the Drive in the Country tournament
Message no. 3
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Web Shooters! :]
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:31:40 -0600
At 09:31 9/2/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Sorry Dude,
>
> But your Web Shooters will infringe on certain copyrights if we publish
>it. At least I'm speaking for myself. I wonder what the others think.

I published them in TSS-01, had no legal troubles from anyone else over the
use of the word 'spidey' or 'spiderman'.
If you're speaking of legal trouble *from* me, Bull has full permission to
re-publish almost anything that he has allowed me to include in TSS.

-Aj
-
http://shadowrun.home.ml.org \ TSS Productions \ The Shadowrun Supplemental
ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader \ WildAngle@******** \ fro@***.ab.ca
From The Jury's Bench: http://www.interware.it/shadowrun/channel
Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Web Shooters! :]
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:46:36 +0100
Glenn Robb said on 9:31/ 2 Sep 97...

> But your Web Shooters will infringe on certain copyrights if we publish
> it. At least I'm speaking for myself. I wonder what the others think.

In which way would they infringe copyright? Using the name "Spider-Man"
probably would be (like Bull did in on of the shadow posts), but I'm not
sure about the web shooters -- however, I'm not a lawyer and also not a
copyright-paranoid American so it looks to me like it's safe, as long as
"Spider-Man" gets replaced by, oh, "Spidey" perhaps? Unless Marvel
also
owns the rights to that name... (I wouldn't be surprised if they did :( )

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Message no. 5
From: Glenn Robb <GLENNROBB@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Web Shooters! :]
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:28:59 -0600
Oh,

I humbly understand, now. Forgive me, but what I thought was innocent.

— Elton Robb

Adam J wrote:

> At 09:31 9/2/97 -0600, you wrote:
> >Sorry Dude,
> >
> > But your Web Shooters will infringe on certain copyrights if we publish
> >it. At least I'm speaking for myself. I wonder what the others think.
>
> I published them in TSS-01, had no legal troubles from anyone else over the
> use of the word 'spidey' or 'spiderman'.
> If you're speaking of legal trouble *from* me, Bull has full permission to
> re-publish almost anything that he has allowed me to include in TSS.
>
> -Aj
> -
> http://shadowrun.home.ml.org \ TSS Productions \ The Shadowrun Supplemental
> ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader \ WildAngle@******** \ fro@***.ab.ca
> >From The Jury's Bench: http://www.interware.it/shadowrun/channel
Message no. 6
From: "Darrell L. Bowman" <bowmandl@*****.DHR.STATE.NC.US>
Subject: Re: Web Shooters! :]
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:54:41 +0000
On 2 Sep 97 at 5:13, Bull wrote:

> Hi all... A while back I created an Adept with Spider-Man like powers, and
> created "web shooters" to go along with the theme, and since we're doing
> this new "mini project", I figured I'd post them here for all to see and
> critique...
>
> What do you think, sirs? :]

Hehe... I like it Bull.
---
Now will that be one thump or two?
-- Smilin' Jack, aiming his grenade launcher at the
oncoming Lone Star vehicle


Excalibur
Darrell Bowman
bowmandl@*****.dhr.state.nc.us
Message no. 7
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Web Shooters! :]
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:11:27 -0400
At 09:31 AM 9/2/97 -0600, Glenn Robb wrote these timeless words:
>Sorry Dude,
>
> But your Web Shooters will infringe on certain copyrights if we publish
>it. At least I'm speaking for myself. I wonder what the others think.
>
I don;t think we'll have too many problems...

First of all, we're not making any money off of this (at least, I'm not!
And if you all are, ehere's mine?? :))

Plus, the name Spier-Man, while trademarked, is a VERY old and well known
name. It's like using Gandalf or Superman. Now if we were trying to make
a movie, or write a novel, or produce a comic about Spider-Man, we'd have
problems, to be sure.

Also, as far as I know, Marvel does not have the samehang ups about net
stuff that TSR did (I say did cause they have been seriously working on
revising their net copyright policy, according to one of their reps on the
Forgotten Realms Mailing List).

I wouldn;t worry about it, but will revise it if it becomes necessary or if
the list feels it;s necessary... But this has been up as part of the
Spider-Man character archetype on my web page for 6 months now with no
problems, so...

Bull
--
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Message no. 8
From: Sasquatch <ab130f92@*******.ADELPHI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Web Shooters! :]
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:30:43 -0400
[SNIP]
>Also, as far as I know, Marvel does not have the samehang ups about net
>stuff that TSR did (I say did cause they have been seriously working on
>revising their net copyright policy, according to one of their reps on the
>Forgotten Realms Mailing List).
>

All depends on what they're new lords and masters WotC want. :)



Sasquatch

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Message no. 9
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Web Shooters! :]
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:18:29 -0400
In a message dated 97-09-02 20:27:06 EDT, you write:

> > But your Web Shooters will infringe on certain copyrights if we
publish
> > it. At least I'm speaking for myself. I wonder what the others think.
>
> In which way would they infringe copyright? Using the name "Spider-Man"
> probably would be (like Bull did in on of the shadow posts), but I'm not
> sure about the web shooters -- however, I'm not a lawyer and also not a
> copyright-paranoid American so it looks to me like it's safe, as long as
> "Spider-Man" gets replaced by, oh, "Spidey" perhaps? Unless
Marvel also
> owns the rights to that name... (I wouldn't be surprised if they did :( )

I really wouldn't worry too much about it. I mean, we're talking about
Marvel Comics, not TSR or Todd McFarlane. Marvel, IIRC, isn't all that anal
about a copyright that they've had for some 50 years if it gets used in an
unofficial net.book(most companies still don't recognize the net as an
effective place to fight over copyright; I think they're right). TSR and
McFarlane, on the other hand, would come down hard on anything remotely
similar to they're copyrights. In other words, Bull won't have to worry
unless the next Optional Metatype is a hellspawn. =)

Wolfstar
Message no. 10
From: Glenn Robb <GLENNROBB@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Web Shooters! :]
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:20:05 -0600
EEEK! Hellspawn! We are in trouble now! (Or worse yet, a Gifted One as an
optional metatype). Don't worry, I was once flamed for trying to add Drow as
optional metatypes. Oh, I guess you were one of the ones that didn't see my
apology before you wrote this, right?

— Elton Robb

George Metz wrote:

> In a message dated 97-09-02 20:27:06 EDT, you write:
>
> > > But your Web Shooters will infringe on certain copyrights if we
> publish
> > > it. At least I'm speaking for myself. I wonder what the others think.
> >
> > In which way would they infringe copyright? Using the name
"Spider-Man"
> > probably would be (like Bull did in on of the shadow posts), but I'm not
> > sure about the web shooters -- however, I'm not a lawyer and also not a
> > copyright-paranoid American so it looks to me like it's safe, as long as
> > "Spider-Man" gets replaced by, oh, "Spidey" perhaps? Unless
Marvel also
> > owns the rights to that name... (I wouldn't be surprised if they did :( )
>
> I really wouldn't worry too much about it. I mean, we're talking about
> Marvel Comics, not TSR or Todd McFarlane. Marvel, IIRC, isn't all that anal
> about a copyright that they've had for some 50 years if it gets used in an
> unofficial net.book(most companies still don't recognize the net as an
> effective place to fight over copyright; I think they're right). TSR and
> McFarlane, on the other hand, would come down hard on anything remotely
> similar to they're copyrights. In other words, Bull won't have to worry
> unless the next Optional Metatype is a hellspawn. =)
>
> Wolfstar
Message no. 11
From: Geoffrey Giesemann <geoffwa@***********.COM.AU>
Subject: Web shooters
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:41:30 +1000
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>Glenn Robb said on 10:20/ 4 Sep 97...
>
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an
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see
my
>> apology before you wrote this, right?
>
>Could you put your replies _after_ the text you're replying to? That =
makes
>it much easier for everyone else to see what exactly you're talking
>about...
>



Isn't only illegal if you make money from this sort of thing. Otherwise,
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'similar'
ideas

Geoff

-'It's for the young, and the young at heart.'-
Will Smith



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