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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 19:17:50 -0600
On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Nightfox wrote:

> NERPS
> OH GOSH!!!!
> OH GOLLY!!!!!
> OH WOW!!!!!!!
>
> yep - that sums it up. I think that NERPS is the KOOLEST list name to ever
> exist. I even changed my symbol from tome to nerps - oooooooo

Oh, be calm, we have an armless jacket over here for you....

> Jason mentioned to me that it is missing bone lacing
> my response to this is ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH.
>
> Should I repost with this correction - or can you folks live with it?

Just send me the replacement.

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Message no. 2
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 21:17:29 -0700
Today Rob wrote
>
>On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Nightfox wrote:
>
>> NERPS
>> OH GOSH!!!!
>> OH GOLLY!!!!!
>> OH WOW!!!!!!!
>>
>> yep - that sums it up. I think that NERPS is the KOOLEST list name to ever
>> exist. I even changed my symbol from tome to nerps - oooooooo
>
>Oh, be calm, we have an armless jacket over here for you....

OH GOOODY!!!!
I always wanted to wear a straight jacket!!!!

Ask a few of my friends - they think I would like one
Or is it that they think I need one?

Oh no matter!!!!


GEeeee - can you tell I've been programing for 4 hours !!!!!!

Dan
Nightfox

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" A lack of knowledge is a dangerous thing. I am the most dangerous man in the
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Message no. 3
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 09:10:19 -0600
On Tue, 8 Feb 1994, David A Dauwen wrote:

> CHARACTER
> Rev. Bill Hollister
> D-01
> --------
> A fiery

is that it?

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Message no. 4
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@***.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:20:31 -0500
David -- I'd suggest that you adjust the headers on your NERPS
submissions, so that instead of "Troll Shaman" and "Humanis Policlub
Leader" it has the actuall _name_ of ther person...
That's the way the rest of us have bben doing it...
Message no. 5
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 13:29:54 -0500
On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, DJ Wipeout wrote:

> I got both halves. In the wrong order, but I got both halves. :)

I cannot control what order they ARRIVE in. But they go OUT in the right
order. First the introduction, then Part I and then Part II.

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Message no. 6
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 03:52:48 -0400
On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, Patrick F Omalley wrote:

> confirm nerps
>
Um...should I tell 'im, or just wait for the LISTSERV to kick 'im
off? Well, Patrick, if you see this, please go back and read Part I of
the NERPS FAQ, especially the part about confirming.
Message no. 7
From: Patrick F Omalley <omalleyp@*******.MSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 04:08:26 -0400
> Um...should I tell 'im, or just wait for the LISTSERV to kick 'im
> off? Well, Patrick, if you see this, please go back and read Part I of
> the NERPS FAQ, especially the part about confirming.
>
Greets,

I forgot that my alias sends my mail to everybody, instead of the
LISTSERV. I realized it just after I sent it. Thanks for the response though.



Patrick O'Malley (son of the Clan of Mailey)
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Message no. 8
From: Guido Ferraro <crs@****.UNITO.IT>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 15:47:57 +0100
On Sun, 14 May 1995 15:05:55 -0500, at least according to my trusty
Time Capsule [Copyright 1984-2056 Capsule Corporation, Ltd.], Jakob
Lorberblatt <collin@******.net> wrote:

>
> This article would contain the rules and various cultures
> surrounding these mythical creatures.
> I would analyze several dragon-worshipping cults around the
> world. IF I have time, also their degree of fanaticism and
> magic.
>


Dragon worshippers ?
Sounds interesting. Let's put a few twists in it.

For instance, consider what the different dragons will think of these
loyal followers. Some would try to manipulate them to further its own
ends and exploit all the advantages granted by their "divine" status:
history offers several examples in this respect (just look at ancient
Egypt). Other dragons will blatantly ignore the fools, however, since
they are likely to draw unwanted attention or worse.


Some could actually take a stand against the cultists, to avoid being
blamed for their eventual misdeeds. If I were Lofwyr, I wouldn't want
to be held responsible for the insane acts of a group of fanatics: it
would make not only for bad PR, but also for an unforgivable offense,
one to be _immediately_ dealt with.

And of course, Dunkelzahn could earn big bucks from license rights.


>>>>>[Huh ? Nice idea. I must look into the matter...]<<<<<
--The Big 'D' (15:43:25/05-19-56)



See ya !

--Gillian "Hi, my name is Swaggart. I really like
crs@*****.cisi.unito.it your country. How much does it cost ?"
--Sam T. Swaggart, millionaire and
part-time street samurai--
Message no. 9
From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:04:00 +1000
On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Peter Coxon wrote:
<<SNIP>>
>
> well covered but a few more spells can't hurt. incidently, in the abyss they
> had that deep sea diving suit with the liquid in, that is now possible, in
> shadowrun the stats are in shadow tech pg 93 but they say it's a blood
> substitute (it is possible now just not widley publised). errr god i am
> babbling. Contacts archetypes and critters would all be good, Basically a
> whole new setting with all the fancey bits. ( i have already started on the
> contacts and bio/cyberware, Is it okay if clavin give technical backup on the
> Bio/cyberware)
>
> Tim Coxon. The babbling one.
> @;) <= it's elvis!
>
Yeah Tim,

I'll give any help you want on the subject. I can't wait to get into some
critiquing of some interesting cyber/bioware.

On another topic, has anybody seriously considered the rules governing
thermographic vision. I mean that if the movie 'Predator' is anything to
go upon, thermographic vision is not just a vision enhancement.

It seems that the vision has not much in the way of depth perception. It
is also difficult to distinguish cool objects from one another. Doesn't
this mean that the person would be tripping over objects the person can't
see and/or can't judge the distance from.

I've spoken to people in the army who have used night-vision goggles, and
the fact that there is no depth-perception is apparently hazardous and
disorientating, forcing people to have exaggerated gaits.

Another point is stealth. Isn't it alot more difficult to hide with cammo
from a guy with thermo vision? How do thieves and assassin types get
around without being seen then? Is there some sort of cammo which
prevents thermo from spotting anything?

House rules and such will be welcome.

Thanks.

Shaman
Message no. 10
From: Timothy P Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:13:07 -0700
> From owner-nerps@********.ITRIBE.NET Fri Oct 18 03:07 PDT 1996
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:04:00 +1000
> From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
> Subject: Re: your mail
> To: NERPS@********.ITRIBE.NET
>
> On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Peter Coxon wrote:
> <<SNIP>>
> >
> > well covered but a few more spells can't hurt. incidently, in the abyss they
> > had that deep sea diving suit with the liquid in, that is now possible, in
> > shadowrun the stats are in shadow tech pg 93 but they say it's a blood
> > substitute (it is possible now just not widley publised). errr god i am
> > babbling. Contacts archetypes and critters would all be good, Basically a
> > whole new setting with all the fancey bits. ( i have already started on the
> > contacts and bio/cyberware, Is it okay if clavin give technical backup on
the
> > Bio/cyberware)
> >
> > Tim Coxon. The babbling one.
> > @;) <= it's elvis!
> >
> Yeah Tim,
>
> I'll give any help you want on the subject. I can't wait to get into some
> critiquing of some interesting cyber/bioware.
>
> On another topic, has anybody seriously considered the rules governing
> thermographic vision. I mean that if the movie 'Predator' is anything to
> go upon, thermographic vision is not just a vision enhancement.
>
> It seems that the vision has not much in the way of depth perception. It
> is also difficult to distinguish cool objects from one another. Doesn't
> this mean that the person would be tripping over objects the person can't
> see and/or can't judge the distance from.

> I've spoken to people in the army who have used night-vision goggles, and
> the fact that there is no depth-perception is apparently hazardous and
> disorientating, forcing people to have exaggerated gaits.

> Another point is stealth. Isn't it alot more difficult to hide with cammo
> from a guy with thermo vision? How do thieves and assassin types get
> around without being seen then? Is there some sort of cammo which
> prevents thermo from spotting anything?

> House rules and such will be welcome.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Shaman

For sake of argument, you could merely assume that they managed to iron out the
problem with depth perception by 205x (where x is whatever year you happen to be
playing in)...possible solutions include "stereo" feed to the eyes - by that I
mean capturing an image for both eyes (am I correct in saying that current
low-light/thermo vision enhancements only use *one* input source, a single
camera? any techies out there to verify/shoot-down?). This would generally be
assumed if the user has cyber eyes, wouldn't you expect each eye to capture it's
own image thus allowing the brain to interpret depth? Check out the little
blerb on Low-light and thermo in Fields of Fire, its not directly relevent, but
does cover the issue of realistic LL and Therm.

As for thermo-stealth....they make thermal masking for vehicles, why not a
simple thermal dampening/masking suit or something that shields your body
heat..granted it only works when your body heat is GREATER than the ambient
temp. but hey thats up to the intelligence of the stealther not the stealthee.
Scientists created cyberware...is a simple thermal mask too difficult
Consider magic also.

just a few thoughts.
-Tim Cooper (aka Zim)
Message no. 11
From: Marty <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:13:45 +1000
> As for thermo-stealth....they make thermal masking for vehicles, why not a
> simple thermal dampening/masking suit or something that shields your body
> heat..granted it only works when your body heat is GREATER than the ambient
> temp. but hey thats up to the intelligence of the stealther not the stealthee.
> Scientists created cyberware...is a simple thermal mask too difficult
> Consider magic also.
>
Different concept; The heat emissions from a vehicle usually occur from
one or two places.... Most thermal masking would dilute the thermal
emissions by speading them out over the entire vehicle. It's the
principle of the baffles that Apache's use to stop them swallowing IR
guided sams. :):):):): (more smileys)

I'd like to see someone design a thermal invisibility spell.... just so I
could pick holes in it ;)

Bleach
Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 13:08:51 +0100
Marty said on 12:13/19 Oct 96...

> Different concept; The heat emissions from a vehicle usually occur from
> one or two places.... Most thermal masking would dilute the thermal
> emissions by speading them out over the entire vehicle. It's the
> principle of the baffles that Apache's use to stop them swallowing IR
> guided sams. :):):):): (more smileys)

"Black hole" exhaust suppressers are just one trick for masking
helicopters from IR seekers. There's also the paint used for the chopper,
the "disco lights" system (usually sitting somewhere behind the main
rotor shaft), flares, and simple tricks like staying out of sight of
whoever is bound to fire on you.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Save the Earth -- eat Jupiter.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
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Message no. 13
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 19:14:37 -0700
On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, Marty wrote:

> > As for thermo-stealth....they make thermal masking for vehicles, why not a
> > simple thermal dampening/masking suit or something that shields your body
> > heat..granted it only works when your body heat is GREATER than the ambient
> > temp. but hey thats up to the intelligence of the stealther not the stealthee.
> > Scientists created cyberware...is a simple thermal mask too difficult
> > Consider magic also.
> >
> Different concept; The heat emissions from a vehicle usually occur from
> one or two places.... Most thermal masking would dilute the thermal
> emissions by speading them out over the entire vehicle. It's the
> principle of the baffles that Apache's use to stop them swallowing IR
> guided sams. :):):):): (more smileys)
>
> I'd like to see someone design a thermal invisibility spell.... just so I
> could pick holes in it ;)
>
> Bleach
>

Well, see there's one MAJOR loop hole in most magical effects: you only
need to fool the target's brain, not his tech. You'll note that there is
the spell "Mask" which will work against ANY living thing that fails to
pass the perception test, regardless of what sort of cybereye's he's
using..because the target's paid the essence for the 'ware to become part
of his ..for lack of a better word..aura. Basically the spell fools his
brain not his eyes. So, you say, what if he's using some remote sensors
or its a camera? Well, thats where "Physical Mask" (or physical
invisibility) comes in: ..description says "..works against technological
devices.."

Thats the beauty of magic...it's exactly that...MAGIC!
physics need not apply.. :)

Zim (ration of mages/shamans played to all others: 6 to 1)
Message no. 14
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:46:10 -0800
On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Randall Decker wrote:

> Hello chummers...anyone know any good deckers? Natar, I found your wings...grin
>

Uh... wrong list, try ShadowTK... This is a strictly OOC/designing stuff
for Shadowrun list..


~Tim
Message no. 15
From: Fixer <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:36:39 -0400
On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Max Lietzen wrote:

->this is a test of the emergency role playing system. This is only a
->test.
->
->
->BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Adam: When you reset the list it did not remove me, or apparently
this individual. Something might have gone wrong (I did not rejoin, BTW).

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?

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