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From: Mark Steedman <RSMS@******.EEE.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: paranormal animals of europe
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 16:34:14 GMT
Answering J.D Falk again, and trying to keep the trimming heavy
> On Tue, 28 Mar 1995, Mark Steedman wrote (quoting me in parts):
> > > Page 73 mentions the existance of a Wyrm shaman. What do the
> > > Dragons think of them?
> > haven't got the book to hand but this could be the druid totem?
> I beleive it is, but I'm not sure where our Grimthingie II is
> at the moment. *grin*
memory says it is see G2 or London book but i don't remeber the PAE
quote to be sure they mean the same folks but assume they do.
>
> > > There is a magical potential in the stone toad which, as of 2053,
> > > had not yet awakened! Think maybe these critters eat bugs? Big, scary,
> > > magical bugs? Hmmmm....
> > Would be appropriate but are they big enough, those bugs can come in
> > rather LARGE sizes.
>
> Well, the toads are large by /toad/ standards...average body
> length of 30 cm, average weight 3 Kg. So, maybe they don't eat bugs
> 'till they get bigger. *gribbit~H~H~H~Hn*
that is possible i met a 9 foot long black insect while playing
Earthdawn. I am assured by the GM who has met plent of SR bugs that
it was not an equivalent to the SR bugs though ED has got one, so yes
those toads sure could get bigger.
>
> > The other critter in this book to attract a lot of attention is the
> > wraith. This thing is very nasty, also note the last too lots of
> > shadowtalk, including a direct warning about things to come from
> > Harlequin, not his usual style but.
>
> "They are the future, if we do not stem the tide now." I missed
> that the first time through, but yes, that /is/ scary. Is it a plotline
> that FASA dumped in favor of the bugs, or (even scarier) could it be that
> insect spirits are somehow connected to the creation of wraiths?
> Food for thought...maggoty, sure, but still food....
>
You need to read the introduction to Earthdawn to understand all of
this as well as all the SR stuff that has tie in's. Don't know how
far folks want me to go on my best guesses to date so if you don't
want any givaways take care if i start putting 'spoiler' in message
subjects.
Anyway on open access in ED in says the fun from the astral planes
(e.t.c.) comes in three stages.
1) wraith like spirts that drive people to violence against one
another
- na couldn't possibly match the SR wraith description could it.
2) Bug like creatures
- as in the Insect spirts we all have to get so busy either running
from or trying to kill.
3) the horrors. These are the big nasty critters of ED, they get very
nasty some of em.
-- i am told that a creature in Nosfaratu matches the description
of a horror in ED but have not read the novel and as i am playing not
GM'ing Ed will not be reading the creature/horror stats in the near
future.

> > If you are looking for things that eat bugs
> > The mantis, see conversation in Burning Bright in which one bug
> > seems to claim to be on our side, seems believable but no details
> > given.
>
> The large & fearsone Wyrd Mantis in PAEurope is mentioned as being
> "exactly what Insect Shamans work toward." But yes, it never says
> specifically that they're anti-humanoid, simply that they can be nasty.
>
> > 'The Enemy' will also eat bugs, hitch though in that they would eat
> > everything else as well, don't know how much you all know about this
> > plot line.
>
> Haven't heard of that, but then I haven't read Bug City yet.
>
They are nothing to do with Bug city, they are far worse than that.
'The Enemy' is Harlequins name for the Horrors as per Earthdawn.

I Have quite a few more guesses on this lot, you can guess a lot from
the 'Voices from the past story' HB flyer. I have read HB which helps
but read enough and you could come to the conclusions i'm up to
without doing so.

I could put my ideas up here Subj would include spoiler as unless you
are a well read GM or want to know everything i could give a lot
away. Though my guesses may be wrong, but i know at least one other
GM came to the same conclusions as i did independantly

Mark

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