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Message no. 1
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 23:03:10 EST
Isn't Valthor jumping 30 =Y= in seven days a little... excessive? I mean,
especially considering their original stock was only 20 1/4 =Y=, thats a
jump of almost 150%...
Message no. 2
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.colorado.edu>
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:47:04 -0700 (MST)
On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Evan Hughes wrote:

> Isn't Valthor jumping 30 =Y= in seven days a little... excessive? I mean,
> especially considering their original stock was only 20 1/4 =Y=, thats a
> jump of almost 150%...

Gotta agree on this one. Maxim's gone up probably 100% in a year. 150%
that fast, while possible, doesn't seem likely unless Vathor was stealing
MAJOR contracts from Maxim and SI, and both of thier stocks taking a
nosedive in the process. Sure, Maxim and SI's stocks are volatile
because of their damaging of each other's reps, but I don't think that
they would have dropped THAT far...yet.

Besides, if Vathor got really unpleasant, SI and Maxim might temporarily
put aside thier differences aside.

**evil grin**

Brian
Message no. 3
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 14:32:08 EST
ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD writes:
> Gotta agree on this one. Maxim's gone up probably 100% in a year. 150%
> that fast, while possible, doesn't seem likely unless Vathor was stealing
> MAJOR contracts from Maxim and SI, and both of thier stocks taking a
> nosedive in the process. Sure, Maxim and SI's stocks are volatile
> because of their damaging of each other's reps, but I don't think that
> they would have dropped THAT far...yet.
>
> Besides, if Vathor got really unpleasant, SI and Maxim might temporarily
> put aside thier differences aside.

Heh. Especially if Valthor grabs TOO many of SI's contracts. Remember:
SI relies on these...
Message no. 4
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.colorado.edu>
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:38:46 -0700 (MST)
Yeah, SI does, Maxim, on the other hand, doesn't rely on thier security
contracts. It's a relatively new market for them at this point, so
losing some share there is a minor inconvenience. You could probably buy
all of Maxim Security, Inc and only force Maxim's stock down 10%. But
screw with thier military, on the other hand.....

Brian
Message no. 5
From: Craigtw1@***.com
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:58:11 -0500
Not really, as in the stock market I've seen several stocks take large rises
everyday. Besides, it could be that the company itself is buying the stock
to raise the price...:)
Tom
Message no. 6
From: Charles McKenzie <kilroy@**.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:25:35 -0600 (CST)
Remember what happened to Netscape as soon as it came out...

On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Evan Hughes wrote:

> Isn't Valthor jumping 30 =Y= in seven days a little... excessive? I=
mean,
> especially considering their original stock was only 20 1/4 =Y=, that=
s a
> jump of almost 150%...
>

Chuck McKenzie ® kilroy@***.cs.wisc.edu
Finger me for my PGP key http://yar.cs.wisc.edu/~kilroy/
Message no. 7
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.colorado.edu>
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:33:26 -0700 (MST)
It went ballistic for a day or two. But an initial public offering is a
far cry from an existing corp going up that fast. What's Netscape done
recently?

Could Vathor be buying it's own stocks? Sure. It'll make them less
valuable in the long run as those stocks become dead weight on their
balance sheet, but it's possible.

Currently, the only times I see radical rises like that in a real
corporation is when someone is rumored to be buying them out or when a
really small company releases a new product. If Vathor had acquired
something like Seattle's security contract, I could see a rise this large
too.

But hey, this is me.

Brian
Message no. 8
From: bd042@***.org (SCN User)
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:36:31 -0800
Especially with that lousy ad copy. doesn't nearly make up for
the visuals.
--Moonwalker (Where's your corporate savvy, people?)
Message no. 9
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 9:48:22 EST
Charles McKenzie writes:
> Remember what happened to Netscape as soon as it came out...


Yes, but Netscape was the first of it's kind ot be brought onto the
stock market. Valthor is one of the little fishies in the same range as
Maxim and SI. A $20 stock going up 150% in a week in an already saturated
product field is going a little far. *grin* That is of course unless
there's something we don't know about...
Message no. 10
From: Craigtw1@***.com
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:07:29 -0500
Granted Vathor is a "little fish"; but it is in direct competition with BOTH
S-I and Maxim. The vast majority of Vathor Technologies markets are military
and security weaponries, mostly in Central/Eastern Europe and Asia. They
have just started gaining a foothold in North America, which is the reason
for the high starting stock price and the susequent large jump. Vathor has
HQs in both Sassnitz, Pomorya and Moscow. Both Baron Weder(President of
Vathor Technologies, Central European Division) and Rathor (CEO of the entire
company) are major political forces. Their influence in politics in Germany
and Russia can cause problems for corps foolish enough to mess with them,
without VERY credible evidence.
Tom
Message no. 11
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:50:35 EST
Craigtw1@***.com writes:
> Granted Vathor is a "little fish"; but it is in direct competition with
BOTH
> S-I and Maxim.

Exactly, if it can actually pose a commercial threat to either, then it
must be fairly well established. Well established stocks almost NEVER
fluctuate by 150% in a week...

> The vast majority of Vathor Technologies markets are military
> and security weaponries, mostly in Central/Eastern Europe and Asia.

Where in Central/Eastern Europe? SI is based out of Dubrovnik (in the
exYugoslavia...). I'm sort of assuming, unlike Nigel Findley, that the
civil war has ended, and that the state has been _somewhat_
stable/democratic for the last 45+ years. SI operates as a nominal part of
this state's armed forces. (Although both Sheppard was British, and
Intrepid... wasn't *grin*... Elyena Hayes was born in Serbia).

> They
> have just started gaining a foothold in North America, which is the reason
> for the high starting stock price and the susequent large jump. Vathor has

The starting stock price is no problem.

> HQs in both Sassnitz, Pomorya and Moscow. Both Baron Weder(President of
> Vathor Technologies, Central European Division) and Rathor (CEO of the entire
> company) are major political forces. Their influence in politics in Germany
> and Russia can cause problems for corps foolish enough to mess with them,
> without VERY credible evidence.


Regrettably, I've never had the appropraite finances floating around to
purchase the Germany sourcebook, so I try to stay away from the exEC as
much as possible... =)
Message no. 12
From: Craigtw1@***.com
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:09:53 -0500
In truth the stock price is of no moment to either Baron Weder or Rathor, as
Vathor Technologies is a means to an end.
Tom
Message no. 13
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.colorado.edu>
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 02:41:26 -0700 (MST)
Maxim itself is almost totally based out of North and South America, with
many facilities scattered through Western Europe, the Middle East and
Northern Africa, and Southeast Asia. All the places of the most potential
conflict. Mostly it's MSI security, since they took over most of The Org
outlets when Maxim consolidated The Org, but the more important places
are MAT or MAS facilities. Maxim does most of it's current buisness with
the various NANs(Ute, Souix, and Pueblo especially), UCAS, CAS, CalFree,
and Amazonia. And then there's the other corps and merc units they
supply(they did once provide the MET2000 with some hardware, but that
died when Germany nationalized their assets after the Berlin episode) and
other smaller concerns. Wherever there's conflict, Maxim will be there
selling their goodies.

Brian
Message no. 14
From: Craigtw1@***.com
Subject: Re: 20 -> 50 =Y= a share?
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 09:26:20 -0500
Looks like there would be a little conflict between Maxim and Vathor in
Western Europe, North America, and SouthEast Asia. S-I and Vathor will have
their conflicts in Europe.
Tom

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