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Message no. 1
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:39:06 -0500
Would it be possible for all discussion about formats, writing style, spelling
mistakes and other random drivel be moved to the plot-d or maybe create
another list so it doesnt hose down the real shadowtk discussions?

I dont know if you have noticed this but (at least it seems that way to me)
the amount of character to character discussion has DECREASED since you have
started bitching about formats and stuff.

I tried to be polite, and a little sly, by posting as my character that
there seemed to have been some screw up on the bbs and a lot of garbage was
flying left and right. I guess I failed and will now take a more direct
approach.

When people post in character it prompts others to post in character. When
people start posting things that AREN'T in character, it, in turn, prompts
others to press the big "r" key to respond. In doing so they send a
mail message ... WHERE ... to the shadowTK list. That mail message goes
out to people expecting to get a response to their "So, we gonna hit Aztech
tonight or what?" message and they get something more akin to "You suck, you
can't spell, change your date, your format sucks, I'm cute, vote for me."

I enjoy reading a majority of the things that go on (in, on, with) this
(group, mailing list, thang) and would like to continue but the amount of
(whining, bitching, moaning, twapping, drivel, screaming) that is going on
is really putting a damper on my fun. I dont know if this is affecting
others as it is me but I needed to speak my peace.

MY OPINION:

Administrators -- You need to play and live by your own rules. I don't
mean just the formatting stuff, I mean the rules about what should be posted
where. Bob, a couple of weeks ago, while it was useful to me, it was an
intrusion into the TK file, posted the information about FASA's stance on
internet use of FASA material. I really believe that, while it was informative,
it could have been posted to plotd and reached nearly the same audience without
stomping on the discussions going on on the TK list.

I am not without blame. When I go to do "dramatics" I use *** instead
of the recommended (/enforced) +++. Wanna know why? Hayes protocol says
that +++ is used to get your modem's attention while dialed up. If I dont
pause in there somewhere while I am typing them I will interrupt my session
and have to type "ato" to get back to it. It is less of a hassel for me to
use another string of characters for dramatics. I didnt think that it was
THAT big of a deal (phelen, bob, doom, whoever else -- feel more than
free to mail me personally to tell me if it really is).

The FAQ says no .sig files. I nuked mine because I didn't want to
screw up and have it accidentally posted. There have been a couple of bendings
of this rule.

When someone posts something that you feel is incorrect, be it format,
content, or attitude, you can send the offender a mail message directly. My
mail reader lets me see who REALLY sent mail so if I want to "go around
the list" (as I have with a couple of people who needed bulk information about
something that might not have been of interest to anyone else) I can. I
site the message from smuggler (Tunnel Rat) this morning. The format for
that message is HOSED. Since I was the one who told him all about the
mailing list, I feel responsible for making sure he stays within the rules
(yes, I send him a FAQ first).

If you want a good time/dae format -- WRITE A SCRIPT to help people with
it.

Any comments, please mail them directly to me. I just needed to vent my
frustration at having to see / read the posting FAQ 3 times in the past week
or so (I'm certain I wasnt the only one to notice that).
Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:02:32 -0500
On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Brian Rogers wrote:

> Administrators -- You need to play and live by your own rules. I don't
> mean just the formatting stuff, I mean the rules about what should be posted
> where. Bob, a couple of weeks ago, while it was useful to me, it was an
> intrusion into the TK file, posted the information about FASA's stance on
> internet use of FASA material. I really believe that, while it was informative,
> it could have been posted to plotd and reached nearly the same audience without
> stomping on the discussions going on on the TK list.

Brian, there are a couple of important counter-points:
A) only about 1/3 of the people on Shadowtalk are on PLOT-D, thus
making announcements only to PLOT-D doesn't reach most of them.

B) administrative announcements must be made on TK. The
administrators try to make sure that there is an 'ADMIN:' at the
top to show everyone that it is specifically an administrative
post and that it is something they should consider important.

> The FAQ says no .sig files. I nuked mine because I didn't want to
> screw up and have it accidentally posted. There have been a couple of bendings
> of this rule.

Administrative posts usually hae a .sig file.

> If you want a good time/dae format -- WRITE A SCRIPT to help people with
> it.

For which of the several dozen platforms and shells out there?

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
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j R+++$ G- tv+ b+ D+ B--- e+>++(*) u** h* f r-->+++ !n y++**
Message no. 3
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:28:57 -0500
Note: I did write a good time/date format script. I just lost it. I'm
writing a C program that will do the same thing. Really, honestly, I am.

Give me a few days.
Message no. 4
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:24:29 -0500
RE: "Which of a dozen platforms..."

Dole it out to people on the group. I have already done one in perl
sent to you (It needs to be resent cause I learned a lot more about
perl since the first posting of that script). Im sure there are
people out there that know CSH TSH KSH Fortran TCL Compass and a
billion other scripting langs. SOMEONE would be able to write
it and support it.

RE: "Admin posts HAVE to..."

Is there a way that you can set the "reply to" so that it goes to
plotd when the person presses the big "r" to say something
back to you about it?

Can you canvas the users to get them to sub to plot d?

Can you create a mailing alias for ALL_SHADOW-WORLD_USERS so that
you can mail to that when something is VERY important and gets to
get out to everyone?

RE: "...really I am..."

Uh huh!
Message no. 5
From: Mark Imbriaco <mark@********.IP.NET>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:38:50 -0400
On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Brian Rogers wrote:

> Can you create a mailing alias for ALL_SHADOW-WORLD_USERS so that
> you can mail to that when something is VERY important and gets to
> get out to everyone?

What's the point of re-inventing the wheel, when he already
has mailing lists that he could mail to in order to accomplish
that? I really don't see the point. The ADMIN: in the subject
line usually tells me that it is kind of important.. subtle
hint from our Fearless Leader(s) if you will. :-)

mark

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B--- e+(*) u+ h+(*) f+ r++ n---(----) x+
Message no. 6
From: MAGECK <JVXNSYA@***.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:21:59 -0400
Brian, One question for you........
Would you like some cheese with yer Whine?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam E. Buchanan | MAGECK
"One Dream One Soul One Prize One Goal" | ECKMAN
JVXNSYA@***.grove.iup.edu |
Many deny our existence |We are not just in Tales
And some think we might be there |But we are here
Few truly believe |We are the SIDHE
Reconsider your thoughts |Do not deny
Cause you may be |We are the SIDHE
With one of us right now |
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Message no. 7
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:59:13 -0500
On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, MAGECK wrote:

> Brian, One question for you........
> Would you like some cheese with yer Whine?

Adam, that was unecessary. Brian has some legitimate concerns and
ideas. They may not be the right answer, but the do deserve to be
addresses.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
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j R+++$ G- tv+ b+ D+ B--- e+>++(*) u** h* f r-->+++ !n y++**
Message no. 8
From: MAGECK <JVXNSYA@***.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 17:03:38 -0400
Sorry if that offended anyone but it was meant as a joke.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam E. Buchanan | MAGECK
"One Dream One Soul One Prize One Goal" | ECKMAN
JVXNSYA@***.grove.iup.edu |
Many deny our existence |We are not just in Tales
And some think we might be there |But we are here
Few truly believe |We are the SIDHE
Reconsider your thoughts |Do not deny
Cause you may be |We are the SIDHE
With one of us right now |
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Message no. 9
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@***.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 17:21:55 -0500
> Note: I did write a good time/date format script. I just lost it.
> I'm writing a C program that will do the same thing. Really,
> honestly, I am.

He did. I think I have it sitting around somewhere...I'll see if I can
find it.

(BTW, since we're on Plot-D for once, what are people doing that were
in Chicago last game month? Burning Bright kindof messes up the place...)

Tim Skirvin | "They didn't die for nothing, they died to bring
tskirvin@***.uiuc.edu| us Pepsi!" -- Mr Sutton on "Glory"
Message no. 10
From: Mark Imbriaco <mark@********.IP.NET>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:29:41 -0500
On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Tim Skirvin wrote:

> > Note: I did write a good time/date format script. I just lost it.
> > I'm writing a C program that will do the same thing. Really,
> > honestly, I am.
>
> He did. I think I have it sitting around somewhere...I'll see if I can
> find it.

Well, since everyone seems so interested in a script to help
out with this, I whipped up a little perl program to do just
that. It allows you to configure whether you want American
or European format for the T/D stamp, and allows you to put
a Character name in as well if you so desire. Let me know
what you think, and feel free to modify it to you heart's
content... I don't care. :-)

+++ Included Perl Script: shadow_date

#!/usr/local/bin/perl
#
# Shadow_Date, a perl ShadowTk mailing list helper.
#
# shadow_date was thrown together on October 5, 1994 by Mark Imbriaco.
# You may freely distribute this in any form you like, even if you
# modify it. I don't care. :) <Just send me a copy!>
#
# USAGE: To use this program, simply edit the user options below
# execute it from the command line, and paste the output of
# the execution into your mail message.
#
# Mark Imbriaco <mark@***.ip.net>
#

# ---------------- Begin User editable variables. ----------------

$GMTDIFF = 5; # Number that must be added to your local time to
# get GMT. (In hours, and can be a negative number.)

$FORMAT = 1; # 1 = American Post, 2 = European Post.

$TKNAME = ""; # Name of the ShadowTalk Character you will be
# posting as. (Optional)

# ---------------- End User editable variables. ----------------

require "ctime.pl"; # This program requires the ctime.pl library to
# be on your system. (Standard with perl installation,
# so you shouldn't have a problem here.)

%month_key = (
'Jan', '1', 'Feb', '2', 'Mar', '3', 'Apr', '4', 'May', '5',
'Jun', '6', 'Jul', '7', 'Aug', '8', 'Sep', '9', 'Oct', '10',
'Nov', '11', 'Dec', '12',
);



$_ = &ctime(time);

$_ =~ s+ + 0+;
$_ =~ s+Mon |Tue |Wed |Thu |Fri |Sat |Sun ++;
$_ =~ s+ +:+g;
if (/(...):(..):(..):(..):(..):(....)/) {
$month = $1; $day = $2; $hour = $3; $min = $4; $sec = $5; $year = $6;
}

$hour = $hour + $GMTDIFF;

if ($FORMAT == "1") {
$month = $month_key{"$month"};
$year = $year + 61;
$year =~ s+.{2}++;
print "]<<<<<\n --$TKNAME <
$hour:$min:$day/$month:$day:$year >\n";
} elsif ($FORMAT == "2") {
print "]<<<<<\n --$TKNAME <
$hour:$min:$day/$day-$month-$year >\n";
}

+++ End included Perl Script.

Hope you like this!

mark

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| / | \ || \ |\ |__ | 1700 World Trade Center ofc: 804.446.9060
| \_ |_/.||_/.| \|\_ | Norfolk, Virginia 23510 fax: 804.446.9061
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W--- M+ V -po+ Y++ t+@ 5+++ j++ R+++ G+('''') tv+ b+++ D++
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Message no. 11
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:16:14 -0500
Oh my gods that's ugly...my C code is so much more beautiful.

Sorry, couldn't resist. =)
Message no. 12
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:28:56 -0500
Let me say this RIGHT NOW.

I will WRITE, and SUPPORT, a time/date script for all systems that I have
access to. This means:

sh, bash, tcsh, csh, zsh, Fortran, C, C++, LISP, Scheme, RPL (anyone posting
from their HP48? I have.), and any other stuff I can get access to.

Musumeci "I gots some time"
Message no. 13
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Admin Discussion in ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:47:08 -0500
I must say, that was some ugly PERL code. Here is mine -->


#!/usr/local/bin/perl

$tempfile = "/tmp/shadowrun";
$DEST = "SHADOWTK@*****.nic.SURFnet.nl";

print "Key Word (PRIVATE, NOT TO) -- >";
$kw = <STDIN>;
chop($kw);
$kw =~ tr/a-z/A-Z/; #upper case everything

print "Name List (P = those allowed to read / NT = not not allowed) \n";
print "(separated by white space) --> ";
$kl = <STDIN>;
chop($kl);

# Still haven't debugged why I get only 1 word subjects...will look
# into it later.

print "\nSubject --> ";
$sub = <STDIN>;
chop($sub);
$subj = "-subject $sub";

print "\nType in your Character's Name --> ";
$yourchar = <STDIN>;
chop($yourchar);

$EDITOR = $ENV{"VISUAL"} || $ENV{"EDITOR"} || "vi";
$PAGER = $ENV{"PAGER"} || "more";

open (OUT, "> $tempfile") || die ("WHOOOPS");

print OUT "***** ($kw): $kl\n";
print OUT ">>>>>[ ]<<<<<";

close (OUT) || die ("Whoops");

system $EDITOR, $tempfile;

# Damn this is MUCH cleaner (I must be a stud....nah)

system("date '+ -- $yourchar <%H:%M:%S / %m-%d-55> %n' >>
$tempfile");

system("mail $subj $DEST </tmp/shadowrun");
system "delete /tmp/shadowrun";



It DOES work (its what I use) but its not the greatest.

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