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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: ADMIN: On Encryptions
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 15:31:42 -0600
Here's a thought on changing encryptions around so they are more
useable. Read it over and tell me what you think.

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REVERSE ENCRYPTION:

The idea is that since this is a public board, everything posted will be
assumed to go to everyone. BUT, there is a way to designate certain
people that it DOESN'T go to. For example:

***** NOT TO: Tirandor, MONICA
>>>>>[Ha ha, you guys can't read this!!!!]<<<<<
-- SuperPutz <hehehehehehehe>

This certainly makes a little more sense. Who would subscribe to a
messaging service if 60% of the stuff on it isn't even readable?!?

Thus, by instituting the above, people know EXACTLY who isn't supposed
to see a message (instead of the current practice of ignoring encrypts
or breaking them). THis is good from a storyline perspective AND from
the "player" perspective.

Now, encryptions will no longer be allowed, EXCEPT within the posting for
unimportant information, such as "meet me at >encrypted< and we'll make
the trade".

We also need to come up with a more standardized format for things such
as file inclusions, vidlinks, etc.

Thoughts?



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Message no. 2
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: On Encryptions
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 15:34:27 -0600
Sounds okay to me, I suppose.

On a slightly different note, are we supposed to presume that enemies (ie corp
people, etc) can't read stuff on Shadowland?
Message no. 3
From: "Seth A. Buntain" <enthar@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: On Encryptions
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 16:16:55 -0600
I like the idea of Reverse Encryptions, but, like other people have said, what
about the 'problem' of posting what could be considered sensitive plot info to
the net?

One instance that sticks in my memory is the time when Chance and co. made a
run on Gentek, and posted when and how before hand. Someone (cant remember
who exactly) said he was going to take advatage of that to get some info. not
neccesarily bad, and nothing really came of it, but it just seemed a little
talk downish at the time ('thats what you get for being stupid'). Especially
when people are supposed to ask on Plot-d before joing a plot on shadowtk.

Of course, if this really is a non-problem, then we need not worry about it.
Im going to have a little more free time in the future, which I would like to
use to be a bit more active on these lists... so... :)

--
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Enthar the Eternal | that we cling to depend greatly on our own point
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Message no. 4
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: On Encryptions
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 17:08:55 -0600
On Sat, 26 Mar 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:

> On a slightly different note, are we supposed to presume that enemies (ie corp
> people, etc) can't read stuff on Shadowland?

Well, we know that Tirandor and MONICA are around. They are not exactly
friendly. Both Yoshidas are on and they are Corp gods.

This place, I guess, is really no different than, say, a mall. What you
talk about can be overheard. If you don't want people to overhear, then
talk in private.

It becomes difficult to juggle the realities of life with the goal of
making a good story, and I'm not sure how to fix it perfectly.

But, if you read back to the March 93 MONICA wars, very few if any
encryptions were used and things went just fine.

In the meantime, if you don't want Acme Inc reading your stuff, add
"***** NOT TO: Acme" to your postings.

BTW: wildcards WILL NOT be acceptable for NOT TOs

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Message no. 5
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: On Encryptions
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 17:12:00 -0600
On Sat, 26 Mar 1994, Seth A. Buntain wrote:

> I like the idea of Reverse Encryptions, but, like other people have said, what
> about the 'problem' of posting what could be considered sensitive plot info to
> the net?

Why would you talk about it in public in the first place?

> One instance that sticks in my memory is the time when Chance and co. made a
> run on Gentek, and posted when and how before hand. Someone (cant remember
> who exactly) said he was going to take advatage of that to get some info. not
> neccesarily bad, and nothing really came of it, but it just seemed a little
> talk downish at the time ('thats what you get for being stupid'). Especially
> when people are supposed to ask on Plot-d before joing a plot on shadowtk.

Just in the future, list the message as "not to: that_person"

I don't know a perfect solution, but right now the current method of
encryptions is not working and serve only to make things a pain in the
ass. The above idea fixes the problem of undesierable SPECIFIC people
not getting somethign, while still keeping the public atmosphere.

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Message no. 6
From: Joshua James Harrison <harrij4@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: On Encryptions
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 18:08:51 -0500
I think that the encryption idea (ie, reverse encryptions) is viable... I think
that we should really test it out... the trouble that I see is this... I had
always thought that the point of this list was for creative interaction...
that the people were colaborating on a story...

Now, the thing is, when writing a story, you sometimes need to reveal
information so that the plot makes sense to the people reading it, but you
don't necessarily want the other CHARACTERS to know what's going on... it
becomes a separation between "player/writer knowledge" and "character
knowledge". There are always problems like this in games, especially with new
players.

For example, my Genetek plot was brought up... I knew how it was going to turn
out (more or less) when I started it... I knew who was behind it, and all that
sort of thing... but Chance & Co didn't... I needed to make sure that their
actions made sense in relation to what they knew...

I don't know if I'm making any sense... but it seems to me that some people
had a hard time with encryptions... and they would ignore them and use their
PLAYER knowledge to their characters' advantage... *shrug* is that bad? In
some ways it is... I don't know... I say that we try this new system and see
how it works...

Just what I think...


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Message no. 7
From: Timothy Skirvin <tskirvin@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: On Encryptions
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 18:11:56 -0600
Hmm...on the not to people thing, that can be a problem, considering
how many people are here...

It DOES work a little better, though. I personally like my Private
scheme, just call it a one person encryption that isn't acutally posted, just
mailed...private E-Mail. That works pretty well...

Oh, and as for the exclude people part, lots of the encryptions we're
making do just that...such as our Party-Maniac ones.

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Tim Skirvin Adam and Eve, the snake and the apple...took
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Message no. 8
From: Necromancer <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: On Encryptions
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 20:29:13 -0600
I like the exclusion idea a lot.

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Steve Hilberg <shilberg@********.uni.uiuc.edu>
aka Jarred Wellsley <Necromancer>
aka Phaeros Lostchilde <Archlich of the Dark Order, High Necromancer
of Zalanthas>
Play Armageddon <studsys.mscs.mu.edu 4444>!
Message no. 9
From: Necromancer <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: On Encryptions
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 20:32:50 -0600
GP, corps can most definitely read what is posted on Shadowland. In the SSC,
one of the posters is an Ares employee, there is a corp guy in Corp Shadowfiles
I think, there are TT guys posting the the TT Sourcebook, and in Shadowtech
KLM is one of the leading researchers in biotech. So, yes, most of the big
corps and gummints can read what is on Shadowland. Now on the other hand, they
hopefully don't know who everyone is and where they are....

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Steve Hilberg <shilberg@********.uni.uiuc.edu>
aka Jarred Wellsley <Necromancer>
aka Phaeros Lostchilde <Archlich of the Dark Order, High Necromancer
of Zalanthas>
Play Armageddon <studsys.mscs.mu.edu 4444>!
Message no. 10
From: "Chris J. Parkinson" <siege@**.FIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: On Encryptions
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 16:17:32 -0500
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