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Message no. 1
From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Team Bravo, or lack thereof
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 13:01:47 -0800
>>>>>This message is partly directed to Brian Swift.<<<<<

So, I haven't heard hide nor hair from Brian whose character is also
supposed to be working with me (or rather WhiteTyger) on the Team
Bravo/Burton thing. Burton did say time was of the essence (w/in 4 days)
and that if the thing was to go down last night, we'd get a bonus. Now
I'd really hate to step on Brian's toes and use his character, but I don't
want to hold up Paul's bigger story line, either(which I actually have no
real idea about). What's a guy to do?

I guess we get another news report, which I will be working on once this
gets sent off. Tactical com camera footage will have to come later once
Brian gets back to me. I don't want to write for a character who, a)
isn't mine, b) I have no idea what he looks like, c) I have no idea what
his modus operandi is. Since WhiteTyger knows explosives about as well as
he knows particle physics, this thing isn't going to go down w/out McKain.

--My two yen

Jeff
Message no. 2
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Team Bravo, or lack thereof
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 15:03:07 +0000
In message <Pine.HPP.3.95.970215124809.25884A-
100000@****.ugcs.caltech.edu>, Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
writes
>>>>>>This message is partly directed to Brian
Swift.<<<<<
>
>So, I haven't heard hide nor hair from Brian whose character is also
>supposed to be working with me (or rather WhiteTyger) on the Team
>Bravo/Burton thing. Burton did say time was of the essence (w/in 4 days)
>and that if the thing was to go down last night, we'd get a bonus. Now
>I'd really hate to step on Brian's toes and use his character, but I don't
>want to hold up Paul's bigger story line, either(which I actually have no
>real idea about). What's a guy to do?

Go ahead and do what you did. If someone involves himself in a "time is
of the essence" plot and then becomes unavailable, proceed without them
and try not to frag their character over too much in the process.

I needed that lab downed fairly rapidly (although the plot just
corkscrewed where a couple of people are keeping it from going bankrupt)
and Mr Swift's absence could have complicated that rapidly.

--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 3
From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Team Bravo, or lack thereof
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 13:28:35 -0800
On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Paul J. Adam wrote:

> Go ahead and do what you did. If someone involves himself in a "time is
> of the essence" plot and then becomes unavailable, proceed without them
> and try not to frag their character over too much in the process.

The way I handled it was the best I could think of, even though it was a
bit of a "black box" solution. You hire shadowrunners to do something,
and then all you hear is it's done. Not bad from the fixer's perspective,
but less than entertaining for the listmembers, which is, of course a
large part of the reason we bother to write this stuff.

> I needed that lab downed fairly rapidly (although the plot just
> corkscrewed where a couple of people are keeping it from going bankrupt)
> and Mr Swift's absence could have complicated that rapidly.

Well, as for the bankrupcy, you really have no one to blame but yourself.
You should have guessed the reaction of the "good guys" around here. Any
time a kid comes sobbing onto Shadowland, or some "innocents" wail that
they have been wronged by the "big, bad, corp" some shadowrunners will
come running to the rescue. Now, not that I am knocking charitable
characters or valiant action, but generally I take it for a given around
here that any cry for help will be answered whether the writer wants it or
not, because it looks like a dangling character hook which many people
are fishing for. And, it seems, a lot of characters enjoy being the "good
guys."

--My two yen

Jeff
Message no. 4
From: Mark Imbriaco <mark@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Team Bravo, or lack thereof
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 23:16:01 -0500
On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Jeffrey Mach wrote:

> Well, as for the bankrupcy, you really have no one to blame but yourself.
> You should have guessed the reaction of the "good guys" around here. Any
> time a kid comes sobbing onto Shadowland, or some "innocents" wail that
> they have been wronged by the "big, bad, corp" some shadowrunners will
> come running to the rescue. Now, not that I am knocking charitable
> characters or valiant action, but generally I take it for a given around
> here that any cry for help will be answered whether the writer wants it or
> not, because it looks like a dangling character hook which many people
> are fishing for. And, it seems, a lot of characters enjoy being the "good
> guys."

Yeah, several of us have very severe paladin complexes, but in
this
case, it was combined with a profit motive. I'm able to help them
out, and also take advantage of their misfortune to get in on a
profitable business. It's a win-win situation for everyone.

-Mark
Message no. 5
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Team Bravo, or lack thereof
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 17:52:39 +0000
In message <Pine.SGI.3.95.970216122119.6468C-
100000@****.ugcs.caltech.edu>, Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
writes
>On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Paul J. Adam wrote:
>> I needed that lab downed fairly rapidly (although the plot just
>> corkscrewed where a couple of people are keeping it from going bankrupt)
>> and Mr Swift's absence could have complicated that rapidly.
>
>Well, as for the bankrupcy, you really have no one to blame but yourself.

If it mattered I would have made sure I got the outcome I wanted, but
it's fun seeing what happens in these situations :)

>You should have guessed the reaction of the "good guys" around here. Any
>time a kid comes sobbing onto Shadowland, or some "innocents" wail that
>they have been wronged by the "big, bad, corp" some shadowrunners will
>come running to the rescue.

Yeah... that's a problem. You try to point out some of the consequences
of shadowrunning, and whoosh, out come the credsticks for some tax-
deductible donations.

After all, since when was "steal SmallCo's research and kidnap their top
technical guy" a zero-cost game? SmallCo goes out of business. Its
employees lose their jobs. Minor human tragedies.

Interesting that the runners respond so strongly, when they hear about
it: perhaps they should think about it more often. Still, when a Fuchi
decker gouged an investment firm, nobody leapt up to keep them in
business, and (more realistically) several deckers spoke up saying "so
what, that's life, it's what we do, big deal".

>Now, not that I am knocking charitable
>characters or valiant action, but generally I take it for a given around
>here that any cry for help will be answered whether the writer wants it or
>not, because it looks like a dangling character hook which many people
>are fishing for. And, it seems, a lot of characters enjoy being the "good
>guys."

With some characters. Not with others.

Let's see what Easy finds in Philly <evil laugh>

--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk

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