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Message no. 1
From: jaimie.nicholson@********.otago.ac.nz (Jaimie Nicholson)
Subject: Re: watcher debate
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 10:49:08 -0300
Evan suggested:

> Could you mention it as two other characters talking?
>
> "She has informed me that one of her watchers..."

A cunning plan, but I have only two free characters at the moment, and they
_don't_ like each other. Maybe, though.

And, for the sake of completeness, and to avoid all manner of confusion (+
accusations of "how did he know that?", adn similar drek), some of the
watcher messages need to be said.

As a last resort, I proceed to quote the FAQ:

>INTERNAL messages can be used to provide insight on what is going on
>behind the >scenes in a plot for the ShadowTk list-members. These
>messages are NOT >CONSDIDERED TO HAVE ACTUALLY TRAVERSED THE SHADOWLAND
>BBS, and are provided >solely for insight into ongoing plots.

The defence rests.
(and you all know that you can't call me on this one, so let's drop the
argument. Okay?)

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD...
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 2
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: watcher debate
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 96 14:32:52 EDT
Jaimie Nicholson writes:
> > Could you mention it as two other characters talking?
> >
> > "She has informed me that one of her watchers..."
>
> A cunning plan, but I have only two free characters at the moment, and they
> _don't_ like each other. Maybe, though.
>
> And, for the sake of completeness, and to avoid all manner of confusion (+
> accusations of "how did he know that?", adn similar drek), some of the
> watcher messages need to be said.
>
> As a last resort, I proceed to quote the FAQ:
>


> >INTERNAL messages can be used to provide insight on what is going on
> >behind the >scenes in a plot for the ShadowTk list-members. These
> >messages are NOT >CONSDIDERED TO HAVE ACTUALLY TRAVERSED THE SHADOWLAND
> >BBS, and are provided >solely for insight into ongoing plots

INTERNAL posts are corporate/organization specific, hence the "INTERNAL:
corpName TO: corpLad/Lass". To say that they are for _ANY_ non-Sland
communique is warping the idea of them a little. (INTERNAL posts are only
supposed to show the corporate reprecussions of an action or what a corp
is planning to do -- or at least, that's why they were introduced).

They may have evolved since their introduction however.


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Message no. 3
From: Michael Loll <lolllee@*****.com>
Subject: Watcher Debate
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:43:36 -0400 (EDT)
Watcher Debate----->ShadowRN

thank you.

Laterz.

Mike Loll <lolllee@*****.com>

"What is the Way of the Warrior?"
"The Way of the Warrior is Death!"
-- Ancient 17th Century Japanese Proverb
Message no. 4
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: watcher debate
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 07:18:23 -0500
>As a last resort, I proceed to quote the FAQ:
>
>>INTERNAL messages can be used to provide insight on what is going on
>>behind the >scenes in a plot for the ShadowTk list-members. These
>>messages are NOT >CONSDIDERED TO HAVE ACTUALLY TRAVERSED THE SHADOWLAND
>>BBS, and are provided >solely for insight into ongoing plots.
>
>The defence rests.
>(and you all know that you can't call me on this one, so let's drop the
>argument. Okay?)
>
>PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD...
>JAIMIE NICHOLSON

Actually, I can call you on this one, so sit the fuck down and open up your
goddamn ears.

No one else on the lists wants Watcher messages. Watchers can't post.
Brian proved that. The FAQ is mutable and not law, so don't treat it as
such. Internal messages are presummed to be between parts of a orginization
that for one reason or another, are broadcasting it over the matrix.
Briefing records that are sent to HQ for filing, battle communications, etc.
NOT watchers talking to their masters and then posting them to the board.
They can't do that. Thats not how SR works (at least, not the the real
game. I don't know _what_ the fuck you play) so that's not how this list
works. Don't post from watchers again. It's against canon, it's against
list policy. Now, if you admit that you were wrong, and that you won't be
stupid enough to post watcher messages again, then, yeah, I'll drop it.
But, if you keep doing whatever you feel like doing just because you think
you're having fun and fuck the rest of the list, it's not gonna happen.

Mike Broadwater
"An object at rest cannot be stopped! Yeah, baby, yeah!" - The Evil
Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
Message no. 5
From: "Mark A. Imbriaco" <mark@******.net>
Subject: Re: watcher debate
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:47:40 -0400 (EDT)
> As a last resort, I proceed to quote the FAQ:
>
> >INTERNAL messages can be used to provide insight on what is going on
> >behind the >scenes in a plot for the ShadowTk list-members. These
> >messages are NOT >CONSDIDERED TO HAVE ACTUALLY TRAVERSED THE SHADOWLAND
> >BBS, and are provided >solely for insight into ongoing plots.
>
> The defence rests.
> (and you all know that you can't call me on this one, so let's drop the
> argument. Okay?)

I beg to differ. The INTERNAL messages were never intended for
that type of information. I goofed when I described them in the
FAQ, but that will be rectified shortly. NO WATCHERS ON SHADOWTK.

-Mark
Message no. 6
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: watcher debate
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:10:42 -0500
> I beg to differ. The INTERNAL messages were never intended for
> that type of information. I goofed when I described them in the
> FAQ, but that will be rectified shortly. NO WATCHERS ON SHADOWTK.
>
> -Mark
>
Mark, how about this wording

"INTERNAL messages are for behind the scenes plot developement for
information that would not normally be posted to the ShadowLand board, but
would be a part of normal Matrix traffic"

This will allow for conversations for businesses/gov/orginizations as if
they were minutes being transferred to a HQ for storage, as well as satelite
linked coversations. It also effectively removes the half assed idea of
allowing watcher spirits (Usmondo was not a watcher spirit. Duh.) from
sending messages over shadowland, something that would be completely foreign
to them.

Now, for anyone whining about "but that limits what I can write" and "but
how can I get the information about my plots on?", well, deal with it.
There's always some way to get everything you want on on. Newsreports,
internal reports sent to "Mr. X" about whats going on, etc. It's easy if
you think about it. My god, Brian put over a hundred K about the Maxim run
on the list, I think did it three different ways, and all of them fell into
accepted catagories.

I find myself in agreement with Brian on something though, if I rubbed
anyone the wrong way, thats just too damn bad.

Mike Broadwater
"An object at rest cannot be stopped! Yeah, baby, yeah!" - The Evil
Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
Message no. 7
From: "Mark A. Imbriaco" <mark@******.net>
Subject: Re: watcher debate
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:16:32 -0400 (EDT)
> Mark, how about this wording
>
> "INTERNAL messages are for behind the scenes plot developement for
> information that would not normally be posted to the ShadowLand board, but
> would be a part of normal Matrix traffic"

Thank you, Mike. I like it. The FAQ has been modified. Expect
a posting of the FAQ momentarily.

-Mark
Message no. 8
From: mneideng@****.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard)
Subject: Re: watcher debate
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:41:16 -0700 (PDT)
According to Mike Broadwater:
>"INTERNAL messages are for behind the scenes plot developement for
>information that would not normally be posted to the ShadowLand board, but
>would be a part of normal Matrix traffic"

We may or may not want to include a clause that the Internal message has to
be part of some actual information medium, which is not affiliated with
Shadowland.

>Now, for anyone whining about "but that limits what I can write" and
"but
>how can I get the information about my plots on?", well, deal with it.
>There's always some way to get everything you want on on. Newsreports,
>internal reports sent to "Mr. X" about whats going on, etc. It's easy if
>you think about it. My god, Brian put over a hundred K about the Maxim run
>on the list, I think did it three different ways, and all of them fell into
>accepted catagories.

I'm not sure I'd phrase it that strongly yet, but I agree with the
sentiment. Instead of trying to overthrow the current procedure, one might
think of it as a challenge to express onesself. In fact, this can actually
advance areas of a plot that one hadn't even considered! For example, I
had Thel go on a little Astral quest which I wanted the list to witness, but
couldn't figure out how plausibly to get it posted. I ended up having a
friend of another of my characters with Simsense recording gear and some
magic left to do a custom Mind Probe and record what he experienced. It
turned out that the scene of the probe sparked off some further "role-playing"
between the characters.
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/Jack-of-all-Trades, CACR
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict
Message no. 9
From: winter@******.med.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: watcher debate
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:11:49 -0400
Hey mike, I think that yer language is gettin' a little close to
flamin' for my taste. Please conduct yerself with a little more
decorum.


-winter
Message no. 10
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: watcher debate
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:43:35 -0500
>Hey mike, I think that yer language is gettin' a little close to
>flamin' for my taste. Please conduct yerself with a little more
>decorum.

I'll be nice when I don't have to repeat myself 3 or 4 times. But don't
worry, if I get any meaner, it's going to private e-mail. So just relax
winter, I can take care of myself.

Mike Broadwater
"An object at rest cannot be stopped! Yeah, baby, yeah!" - The Evil
Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
Message no. 11
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: watcher debate
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 96 19:45:56 EDT
Mark L. Neidengard writes:
> magic left to do a custom Mind Probe and record what he experienced. It
> turned out that the scene of the probe sparked off some further
"role-playing"
> between the characters.

*cough* *cough* EXACTLY *cough* *cough*


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