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Message no. 1
From: Basilisk <prier@***.UNIBAS.CH>
Subject: YES! it's ANOTHER UB comment!
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:10:51 +0100
Sorry to drag this thing through the dirt again, but I've got a few comments
I'd like to add. Please read this in the constructive tone it was meant
to have.

First, to Tim Skirvin: It seems to me the problem is not that you posted,
it's that you RETROACTIVELY changed a large chunk of the game world. Your
initial posts assumed that the decline of the UB and the outbreak and nuking
of Chicago had ALREADY happened. Despite the fact that in several other
plot lines the UB was alive and well and VERY active (commendations from
LoneStar for helping Crashkit, etc.). Although the list seemed to be
building up to exposing the UB, it was not nearly to the point your posts
assumed it to be. You say that the nuking should come as a shock to
everyone, fine. But the nuke was not the start of it. We should have
seen a rash of posts about bugs flying through Chicago first, not to
mention a bunch of rumors from the Shadow community in Chicago (of which
there are many on the list) even before that. And where was the post
about the nuke, for that matter? Your posts said it had happened some
time ago, why didn't anyone hear about it? Please don't take this as
flaming, I'm trying to be constructive here. But I think the whole
episode was poorly timed. As a GM, my game world timeline has very
little to do with FASA's. That is from necessity. In Switzerland, there
is a dearth of FASA sources, and anything I have is sent to me from the
States. I think it is unfair to simply say 'Oh, by the way, Chicago
got nuked because of this bug problem about a week ago, here's my plot,
you guys will just have to adjust yours.' The fact is we were building to
just the scenario you enacted, it just TAKES TIME.

Now, what to do for a fix? I have to vote for purging the nuked-Chicago
posts, to be reposted after Chicago actually goes down in our time line.
The Crashkit scenario seems like the best mechanism for getting us there,
as well as the other plots in Seattle and London. We should be getting
more and more rumors in the mean time about nasty things happening (that
last post about the UB snatching kids was good), and about the UB acting
more and more desparate. Then should come a big news flash about the
bugs swarming over Chicago, followed by a news post about the nuke (I'm
still not too sure about the timing between those, hours or a day?).
Somewhere in between Dante needs to go down, and the other plots need
to come together. I think we should start discussing how and when to
build this thing in to existing plots. It can all work, but Chicago
still has to be more or less normal for the moment.

My two centimes worth,

Kevin Prier aka Basilisk, Jeweler.
Message no. 2
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@***.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: YES! it's ANOTHER UB comment!
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 16:14:24 -0500
> First, to Tim Skirvin: It seems to me the problem is not that you
> posted, it's that you RETROACTIVELY changed a large chunk of the
> game world. Your

Barely retroactively. It was less than a week since the book was
out...I was as close as humanly possible.

> initial posts assumed that the decline of the UB and the outbreak
> and nuking of Chicago had ALREADY happened. Despite the fact that
> in several other

They had. That's the problem.

> there are many on the list) even before that. And where was the
> post about the nuke, for that matter? Your posts said it had
> happened some

It had happened in the book.

Actually, I don't know much about it yet...it happened in the
book, and then it ended within 3 pages.

Trust me, it was not my idea to screw up the world this much...
but I can see FASA's reasons for doing it.

- Tim Skirvin

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