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Message no. 1
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject: ADMIN: Formating
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 22:15:07 -0700
To follow are the posting guidelines for Shadowtk. Various people, who
I will not enumerate, have not been following them. Starting as of now,
I shall be notifying anyone who's post fall outside of these guildlines.
You shall have three chances to get things correct. If you fail, you will
be deleted from the list. If you have any questions about the following
guidelines please inquire to Plot-D or to myself directly at <Carter@***.EDU>.

Now back to our regularily scheduled babble......

GUIDELINES FOR POSTING
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(with help from Jason Carter <Carter@*******.ups.edu>)

A. Formatting Guidelines and Justifications
1. Why Format Correctly?
Proper formatting of messages to Shadowtk is important for
several reasons. First of all it helps sustain the illusion
of a Shadowrun BBS. Secondly, it allow for ease of reading
for your fellow list members. Lastly, it makes it easier for
the listowner and all other people who are keeping logs to
format them in a consistant manner.

2. How do you use encrypts properly?
Encrypted messages are used to allow a message to be either
read only by certain characters or to prevent them from being
read by particular characters. Encrypts are used to enhance
the development of storylines and should be used sparingly.

The first type of encryption is the "Private" message.
Following the keyword "PRIVATE" the names of the characters
the message was sent to are listed. Only these characters are
aware of the messages existance. It is very poor etiquette to
have any other characters respond to such a message.

The second type of encryption is the "Barring" message.
Following the keywords "NOT TO" the names of the characters
that the writer does not want to recieve the message are
listed. Once again, it is very poor etiqutte to have a
character respond to a message he has been barred from.

A secondary use of encrypts is to allow the author to
neglect to specify an otherwise meaningless detail. Encrypts
of this nature are placed inside a message and appear in a
format similar to "Meet me at >>Encrypted<< in two
hours."

3. "Dramatics"
Many times, a posting will be made that has what are
termed "Dramatics" in them. Often times, this will be
downloading of a program, a description of a video camera
shot, a virus attacking the poster, or some such. To
properly set these events off, one will utilize five '+'
symbols. For Example:
+++++ Download: bad_guy.picture
or
+++++ Video: You see at big monkey climbing a
skyscraper while little airplanes annoy him.

4. ID and Time/Date Stamp
All message must have an ID and a time/date Stamp at the
end of the message. This includes messages that are disrupted
during sending since ID and Time/Date are determined before
the posting character starts his message. Leaving the ID and
Time/Date Stamp off of a post is very confusing and should never
be done. Repeated violators will be deleted from the list.

**********
B. What is the posting format?

The best guideline for posting format can be found in the FASA
rulebooks, but in summary, a post should be made as follows:

Standard Style:

***** (Key Word): Name List (optional)
>>>>>[Text to be discussed]<<<<<
-- ID < Time / Date >

Corporate Style:

***** (Key Word): Name List (optional)
>>>>>[Text to be discussed]<<<<<
-- ID < Time / Date >
Position
Corporation

Where:
(Key Word) = This refers to the key words for the two styles of post
encryption, those being "PRIVATE" and "NOT TO".
Name List = This is a list of names of personnas that the encryption is
keyed to. For private messages, it is a list of those who
are able to read the post. For barring messages, it is the
list of people who cannot read the message.
>>>>>[ = All postings should start with five (5) greater-than symbols
followed by an opening bracket.
]<<<<< = All postings should end with a closing bracket followed by
five (5) less than symbols.
ID = Your fictional LTG identification. This ID should be
preceeded by eight spaces, two dashes (--), and two spaces.
Time = The time of the post in 24hr format (ie, hh:mm:ss)
I've found it personally convienient to simply use the
current real-world time. There has been some discussion
regarding using a universal time (example, everyone posts
using GMT or Seattle time). It has been decided that it is too
much of a pain to try to recalculate posting time. If you do
with is use a universal time, use GMT.
Date = The Shadowrun Date. In order to keep things in order,
use the current month and day, and for the year, take
the current year and add 61 to it (Shadowrun takes
place in 2055 during 1994). Date is posted in MM-DD-YY format.
Position = The position possessed by the individual in his corporation
(President, CEO, Executive Assistant). This style of posting is
used only by corporate-types, since no self respecting runner or
neoanarchist would use something that corps do.
Corporation= Name of the Coroporation to which the individual is affilated.


OTHER EDITING INSTRUCTIONS:
All postings should be made flush-left. Do not TAB in new paragraphs.
Do not use TABs for formatting purposes (use spaces).

At the end of a paragraph, press return twice and start the next
paragraph flush-left.

If there are multiple messages in one posting, put only one blank
line between them.

Do not hypenate words. If a word is longer than the line, start
the word on the NEXT line.

NOTE: There are some industrious "deckers" that alter the
time-date stamp into saying something else. While this can be fun,
It is generally accepted that only VERY expert deckers can do this.


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* Jason J Carter, * "How can you accuse me of Evil? Though these deeds *
* Assitant Deputy * be unsavory, no one will argue: good shall follow *
* Fearless Leader * from them." *
* Carter@***.EDU * -- Torsten Von Ursus, Legends, Magic: TG *
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Message no. 2
From: "Wow, Reality. That's a switch" <MHILLIARD@****.ALBION.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Formating
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 03:38:26 -0500
>To follow are the posting guidelines for Shadowtk. Various people, who
>I will not enumerate, have not been following them. Starting as of now,
>I shall be notifying anyone who's post fall outside of these guildlines.
>You shall have three chances to get things correct. If you fail, you will
>be deleted from the list. If you have any questions about the following
>guidelines please inquire to Plot-D or to myself directly at <Carter@***.EDU>.
THANK YOU!
I keep logs of certain storylines, and the lack of format is a real headache
for me. What follows is probably unnecessarily harsh, but I just finished
debugging 600+ lines of shadowtk material, with corrections almost on
every &%$@*** line.

>GUIDELINES FOR POSTING
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

To add a few notes:

>A. Formatting Guidelines and Justifications
> 1. Why Format Correctly?
> Proper formatting of messages to Shadowtk is important for
> several reasons. First of all it helps sustain the illusion
> of a Shadowrun BBS. Secondly, it allow for ease of reading
> for your fellow list members. Lastly, it makes it easier for
> the listowner and all other people who are keeping logs to
> format them in a consistant manner.
Plus, we will find you and hurt you if you don't

-=--=-=-=-=-=-=

> -- ID < Time / Date >

This is where a lot of my headaches come from.
More specifically, it's

-- ID < hh:mm:ss/mm-dd-yy >

NOT:

-- ID(hh:mm:ss/dd-mm-yy)
or -ID <hh-mm-ss/mm.dd.yy>

to name some of the more pronounced offenses

Everybody got it?


> ID = Your fictional LTG identification. This ID should be
> preceeded by eight spaces, two dashes (--), and two spaces.
This's where most of the rest of my headaches come from. EIGHT spaces, not
none, or 12, or 32, or 115!

> Time = The time of the post in 24hr format (ie, hh:mm:ss)
> Date is posted in MM-DD-YY format.
NOT Day-month. And don't forget the zeros those first nine days of the
month!!! Or, for that matter, the first nine months of the year!!!

BTW, the European format is dd-MON-yy
for example, today is 03-OCT-94, and my birthday is 23-MAR-73
(Mark it down, and send me presents!) =}
...hey, is there an official position on using the Euro format?

>NOTE: There are some industrious "deckers" that alter the
> time-date stamp into saying something else. While this can be fun,
> It is generally accepted that only VERY expert deckers can do this.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE YOU!!!!!
Where exactly did a lunatic toxic shaman, for one, learn to do this?

Admittedly, this problem is not as bad as it used to be.

One more pet peeve: BUY A $#@& DICTIONARY!! The level of spelling and grammar
on this board would shame a 5th-grader.
There, Their, and They're are not interchangable! Neither are its and it's!
ONE SPACE after a comma or period, not two!
I COULD go on.

Mike Knabusch, the guy who collected a database of all your addresses
and phone numbers, lives right down the hall from me, and we spend a
lot of time cruising the datalines together. The point, you ask?
I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.

Slainte'!
Phelan
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Message no. 3
From: Dean Esam <twist@******.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Formating
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 18:22:54 +1000
On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Wow, Reality. That's a switch wrote:

> I keep logs of certain storylines, and the lack of format is a real headache
> for me. What follows is probably unnecessarily harsh, but I just finished
> debugging 600+ lines of shadowtk material, with corrections almost on
> every &%$@*** line.

Ok, before I get down to flames, could someone drop me a line
concerning where the logs are kept... I know it's probably in the FAQ, but
I dont have a copy on hand.

> Plus, we will find you and hurt you if you don't

Boy isn't that scary!!!

> This is where a lot of my headaches come from.
> More specifically, it's
>
> -- ID < hh:mm:ss/mm-dd-yy >
>
> NOT:
>
> -- ID(hh:mm:ss/dd-mm-yy)
> or -ID <hh-mm-ss/mm.dd.yy>
>
> to name some of the more pronounced offenses
>
> Everybody got it?

I agree this can be annoying, but most of the times I notice, it is
new people, and they soon get the hang of it. Nice condescending tone to
your post though, bet everyone who reads it immeadiately makes sure they
post T/D's the right way.

> NOT Day-month. And don't forget the zeros those first nine days of the
> month!!! Or, for that matter, the first nine months of the year!!!
>
> BTW, the European format is dd-MON-yy
> for example, today is 03-OCT-94, and my birthday is 23-MAR-73
> (Mark it down, and send me presents!) =}
> ...hey, is there an official position on using the Euro format?

Ummm, not likely... in regards to the bit about sending you
presents, incidently, you were born one year and one day before me...
(Scary isn't it!!!)

> THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE YOU!!!!!
> Where exactly did a lunatic toxic shaman, for one, learn to do this?
>
> Admittedly, this problem is not as bad as it used to be.

In response to hacking T/D stamps, one of my pet peeves also, in this,
at least I agree with you...

> One more pet peeve: BUY A $#@& DICTIONARY!! The level of spelling and grammar
> on this board would shame a 5th-grader.
> There, Their, and They're are not interchangable! Neither are its and it's!
> ONE SPACE after a comma or period, not two!
> I COULD go on.

Well of all your ill directed moaning, this is the facet of which
I am, more than likely, most guilty. But hey get a life, the characters
are people too, I realise it must be inconceivable to you that they could
mis-spell words... (There is probably even spelling mistakes in this
reply *gasp*, but, to tell you the truth, I don't care!)

> Mike Knabusch, the guy who collected a database of all your addresses
> and phone numbers, lives right down the hall from me, and we spend a
> lot of time cruising the datalines together. The point, you ask?
> I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.

So what, I don't believe I gave my address to said person, and
even if I did it's a hell of a long trip just to chew me out over
spelling. (Actually if you really want, just send me half what the trip
would cost, and I'll beat myself up!)

> Slainte'!
> Phelan

Hmm, last I heard Jason was the ShadowTK moderator, unless your
post was actually intended as a flame at Mr. Carter (and boy, isn't that
a loaded question 8), it was just as pointless as this reply. (Doesn't
that put you in bad company?)


Twist.

P.S. Sorry to everyone else, I rarely flame, but Mr. Phelan's post seemed
slightly too acidic to be constructive, after all, we are all here
primarily to have some fun.

P.P.S. Personally I think Jason, and Robert and Doom all do a wonderfull
job, and any inference to the opposite made by me, in this life or
any other is not intended.

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Message no. 4
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Formating
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:00:24 -0500
> Everybody got it?

So how about this:
-- ID <Date/Time>

You ranted just a tad, there.

Please attempt to keep in mind that a lot of us can spell quite well
(excepting minor typographical errors, which are inevitable), and that not
all of your comments apply to everyone.

/gdm
Message no. 5
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Formating
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 16:57:10 -0700
>This is where a lot of my headaches come from.
>More specifically, it's
> -- ID < hh:mm:ss/mm-dd-yy >

ooooppps!!!!

>NOT:
> -- ID(hh:mm:ss/dd-mm-yy)
>or -ID <hh-mm-ss/mm.dd.yy>

mine
--ID <hh:mm:ss/mm-dd-yy>
notice it doesn't have that little space before the hh - does that matter

>> ID = Your fictional LTG identification. This ID should be
>> preceeded by eight spaces, two dashes (--), and two spaces.
>This's where most of the rest of my headaches come from. EIGHT spaces, not
>none, or 12, or 32, or 115!

I use a tab - it seems to tab over about 8 spaces

-- this was tabbed
-- this was eight spaces

>THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE YOU!!!!!
>Where exactly did a lunatic toxic shaman, for one, learn to do this?
>Admittedly, this problem is not as bad as it used to be.

Also - If your decker could do this - don't keep in having them change thier
T/D stamp in every post - try to keep how you mess with it consistent like

-- Spirit <Of the Matrix>
-- Circuit Breaker <changes every once in a while>

and don't make it too long either.


>One more pet peeve: BUY A $#@& DICTIONARY!! The level of spelling and grammar
>on this board would shame a 5th-grader.

ehh. Spelling mistakes can be made by runners also. some runners can't spell,
many just go by icons and symbols. What comes up on the screen it what they are
thinking in their head (complete with colloquialisms)

>There, Their, and They're are not interchangable! Neither are its and it's!

these ones are just plain bad.

>ONE SPACE after a comma or period, not two!

actually - its two spaces after a period.

>Mike Knabusch, the guy who collected a database of all your addresses
>and phone numbers, lives right down the hall from me, and we spend a
>lot of time cruising the datalines together. The point, you ask?
>I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.

yes - but do you have the money to get here - and if you do - do you want to go
out and have a drink first and talk about role-playing before you beat the
stuffing out of us? :)

Nightfox

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Message no. 6
From: MAGECK <JVXNSYA@***.BITNET>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Formating
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:45:20 -0400
One problem Phelan, there ARE two spaces after a Period.
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