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Message no. 1
From: Sebastian Hamann <5hamann@**********.UNI-HAMBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:06:28 +0200
>the bottom. Contact me at kmcinnes@*****.com if you'd

Bahhhhhh !


Sebastian
=========
Über dem Land liegt lang der Schatten,
Flügel der Finsternis strecken sich westwärts.
Der Turm bebt; den Königsgrüften
Naht das Gericht. Die Toten erwachen,
Am Stein von Erech stehen sie wieder,
Denn die Stunde ist da der Wortbrüchigen:
Und hören das Horn in den Bergen hallen.
Wessen Horn ? Wer wird sie rufen,
Das vergessene Volk aus grauem Zwielicht?
Der Erbe des Mannes, dem einst sie schworen.
Von Norden naht er, Not treibt ihn:
Das Tor zum Pfad der Toten wird er durchschreiten.
Message no. 2
From: Se7th Son <Se7thSon@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:59:13 EDT
Hey, he got the word out didn't he? This is not for IC play so live with it.
I certainly saw some stuff I wanted. It's not like he's viciously forcing his
auction upon you. Grow up.
Message no. 3
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:26:05 +0100
In message <5faffbe9.352c71c3@***.com>, Se7th Son <Se7thSon@***.COM>
writes
>Hey, he got the word out didn't he? This is not for IC play so live with it.

Why? Sorry, I don't see why we should have to have spammers posting crap
here. This guy owes the EFF $1,000.

>I certainly saw some stuff I wanted.

Good for you. I didn't.

> It's not like he's viciously forcing his
>auction upon you.

Actually, he is. I had to pay to download his crap. Wasn't interested,
still am not, but I get this big brown steaming message in my mailbox
anyway. In what way is this relevant to the ShadowTK list?
Message no. 4
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:14:24 +1200
>>the bottom. Contact me at kmcinnes@*****.com if you'd
>
>Bahhhhhh !

At least the fragger posted it to plotd instead of s-tk, but I guess it's
still spamming.

(Get 'im/'er, dread executors!)

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 5
From: Se7th Son <Se7thSon@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:28:46 EDT
In a message dated 98-04-09 19:27:46 EDT, you write:

<< Why? Sorry, I don't see why we should have to have spammers posting crap
here. This guy owes the EFF $1,000. >>

he's trying to get his collection sold, not give you tips on how to make
1,000,000 dollars off of 5, not invite you to some porn site, etc.
He made a small error, don't get your panties in a twist. If you want to get
rid of spammers go for the serious ones. Like AOL.
Message no. 6
From: Se7th Son <Se7thSon@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:31:46 EDT
In a message dated 98-04-09 20:16:36 EDT, you write:

<< At least the fragger posted it to plotd instead of s-tk, but I guess it's
still spamming. >>

For what? having SR related info on an SR mailing list....wow...that's spam
allright...


And to the other guy who said about paying to DL it, if that's the case get a
new ISP. And if you're paying a flat rate you shouldn't act like it's costing
you a godawful amount of money.
Message no. 7
From: Michael Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:05:35 -0500
In a message dated 98-04-09 19:27:46 EDT, you write:

<< Why? Sorry, I don't see why we should have to have spammers posting crap
here. This guy owes the EFF $1,000. >>

he's trying to get his collection sold, not give you tips on how to make
1,000,000 dollars off of 5, not invite you to some porn site, etc.
He made a small error, don't get your panties in a twist. If you want to get
rid of spammers go for the serious ones. Like AOL.

Then, by your own admission, we should get rid of you.

If you want to know why people are annoyed, read the FAQ. Spam is
spam.

Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
"Everyone wants to be Cary Grant. Even I want to be Cary Grant."
-- Cary Grant
Message no. 8
From: Michael Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:13:23 -0500
In a message dated 98-04-09 20:16:36 EDT, you write:

<< At least the fragger posted it to plotd instead of s-tk, but I guess it's
still spamming. >>

For what? having SR related info on an SR mailing list....wow...that's spam
allright...

And to the other guy who said about paying to DL it, if that's the case get a
new ISP. And if you're paying a flat rate you shouldn't act like it's costing
you a godawful amount of money.

That's it.

You're an idiot, you realize that? Look at Paul's address. Do you realize
that not every place in the world has free local calling? That perhaps
it isn't just a matter of isp's?

And it wasn't Sr related. It was a sale. This is not a buy/sell/trade
list. It's a fiction and plot discussion list. It's the principle of the thing.
We don't want people spamming us with this crap.

Oh, and, if he pays the $1000, it won't be a big deal. At least he'll
have paid.

Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
"Everyone wants to be Cary Grant. Even I want to be Cary Grant."
-- Cary Grant
Message no. 9
From: Se7th Son <Se7thSon@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:59:03 EDT
In a message dated 98-04-09 21:07:00 EDT, you write:

<< Then, by your own admission, we should get rid of you. >>

AOl meaning the useless crud they feed us every time we sign on...AOL simply
serves me as the fastest (sadly) ISP (even though it truly isn;'t) around
here. And as a host for my website...
Message no. 10
From: Se7th Son <Se7thSon@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:03:00 EDT
In a message dated 98-04-09 21:14:48 EDT, you write:

<< And it wasn't Sr related. It was a sale. This is not a buy/sell/trade
list. It's a fiction and plot discussion list. It's the principle of the
thing.
We don't want people spamming us with this crap. >>

He technically wasn't selling, idiot, he was looking for folks to sell to at a
later date. I've dealt with some good online auctions before, and perhaps he
doesn't know where the SR newsgroup is? This was perhaps his only option for
getting the word out. And if they guy actually opened a mail with an OBVIOUS
title for an auction sale, then he shouldn't complain about the costs, just
ignore the mail.
Message no. 11
From: "Mark A. Imbriaco" <perlhacker@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:57:07 -0400
On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Se7th Son wrote:

> Hey, he got the word out didn't he? This is not for IC play so live with it.
> I certainly saw some stuff I wanted. It's not like he's viciously forcing his
> auction upon you. Grow up.

Kindly refrain from trolling on my mailing list. Thank you.

-Mark
Message no. 12
From: "Mark A. Imbriaco" <perlhacker@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:00:57 -0400
On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Se7th Son wrote:

> In a message dated 98-04-09 21:14:48 EDT, you write:
>
> << And it wasn't Sr related. It was a sale. This is not a buy/sell/trade
> list. It's a fiction and plot discussion list. It's the principle of the
> thing.
> We don't want people spamming us with this crap. >>
>
> He technically wasn't selling, idiot, he was looking for folks to sell to at a
> later date. I've dealt with some good online auctions before, and perhaps he

That's it. Out of the pool. Do not pass go. You are behaving
like an immature little child trying to provoke an argument,
and I will not tolerate it. Consider yourself banned from
listproc.itribe.net. Good-bye.

-Mark
Message no. 13
From: Kristling <kristling@*******.CROSSWINDS.NET>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:53:52 -0400
Se7th Son wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-04-09 21:14:48 EDT, you write:
>
> << And it wasn't Sr related. It was a sale. This is not a buy/sell/trade
> list. It's a fiction and plot discussion list. It's the principle of the
> thing.
> We don't want people spamming us with this crap. >>
>
> He technically wasn't selling, idiot, he was looking for folks to sell to at a
> later date. I've dealt with some good online auctions before, and perhaps he
> doesn't know where the SR newsgroup is? This was perhaps his only option for
> getting the word out. And if they guy actually opened a mail with an OBVIOUS
> title for an auction sale, then he shouldn't complain about the costs, just
> ignore the mail.
GET THE GOD DAMN POINT!

The topic of this list ain't all things SR.

It's "let's fleash out TK plots.

Stop being an ass.

This has been my pissy attitude for this month. I put into something I
believe in. Then, SOME FRAGGER COMES ALONG and POST SOMETHING FOR
PERSONAL GAIN!

Se7th Son, while It may not be againt your PERSONAL feelings, it's
against list rules. Period. Finito. That's all folks. no if, ands, buts,
or that's-a-load-of-shit-about-it.

--
I'm done.
--Your friendly web crawlin' cyber Raven shaman, nee Wannabe comic book
writer, Daniel Sauve
AKA KRISTLING RAVENWING
Message no. 14
From: Kristling <kristling@*******.CROSSWINDS.NET>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:24:05 -0400
Mark A. Imbriaco wrote:
> That's it. Out of the pool. Do not pass go. You are behaving
> like an immature little child trying to provoke an argument,
> and I will not tolerate it. Consider yourself banned from
> listproc.itribe.net. Good-bye.
>
> -Mark
Thank you, mark. And if you and the Admin ever feel the need to enact a
GridSec, i'm up for it. And I won't be as... uh, tense, as I was
responding to that guy.....
--
Can I have a Badge to go with the Carp Cannon, Captin Imbriaco?
--Your friendly web crawlin' cyber Raven shaman, nee Wannabe comic book
writer, Daniel Sauve
AKA KRISTLING RAVENWING
Message no. 15
From: Wildthing <twowolfe@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:22:01 -0700
> That's it. Out of the pool. Do not pass go. You are behaving
> like an immature little child trying to provoke an argument,
> and I will not tolerate it. Consider yourself banned from
> listproc.itribe.net. Good-bye.
>
> -Mark

I think this WAY unfair

He is explaining how he feels and you get all mad about it.

What if you dont like what some person has to say you just ban them ?
Message no. 16
From: Chuck McKenzie <kilroy@**.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:33:50 -0500
On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Wildthing wrote:

> He is explaining how he feels and you get all mad about it.

He was doing it in a way that was inappropriate for the list. The list is
for people to talk about shadowtk related plots, not for them to sell
anything vaguelly-Shadowrun related, or rant abusively about their right
to spam.

> What if you dont like what some person has to say you just ban them ?

If the listowner doesn't like the way someone is saying something, he has
every right to kick them off. In this case, I think it was quite
justified. If you don't like it, start your own list for
interactive shadowrun, abuse and spam. :P

Chuck McKenzie kilroy@***.cs.wisc.edu
http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~kilroy/ charlesm@**.wisc.edu
Home of the Superconducting Kitty Collider.
Message no. 17
From: "Mark A. Imbriaco" <perlhacker@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:39:28 -0400
On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Wildthing wrote:

> I think this WAY unfair

You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree, but hey, that's
life.

> He is explaining how he feels and you get all mad about it.
>
> What if you dont like what some person has to say you just ban them ?

I have never _ONCE_ kicked anyone from any of these lists
simply because I personally disagreed with what they had to
say. NEVER. The very first post from this guy was an
obvious troll and everyone one thereafter was engineered
to elicit a negative response (ie: provoke a flame war). If
he'd just been arguing a point of view instead of trying to
be an ass about it, I'd probably just have killed the thread,
but that was not the case. Again, you're free to disagree
with me, and I will not boot you or anyone else for that.

-Mark
Message no. 18
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Auction List - Anybody here to hammer this guy ???
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:33:10 +0100
In message <35289EB9.222@*******.net>, Wildthing <twowolfe@*******.NET>
writes
>> That's it. Out of the pool. Do not pass go. You are behaving
>> like an immature little child trying to provoke an argument,
>> and I will not tolerate it. Consider yourself banned from
>> listproc.itribe.net. Good-bye.
>>
>> -Mark
>
>I think this WAY unfair

I don't. I was considering unsubbing the guy myself if he didn't shut
up. Lord only knows what the Nasty Guy Dread Executor would have done...
>
>He is explaining how he feels and you get all mad about it.

He is saying that PlotD should become alt.commercial.auctions.vaguely-
shadowrun-related. What do AD&D modules have to do with the ShadowTK
list?


>What if you dont like what some person has to say you just ban them ?

Nope. Spamming the list with commercial advertising is explicitly,
clearly and loudly forbidden. Period. Do not pass Go, do not collect two
hundred pounds.

Don't like that fact? Fine. Nobody's forcing anyone here to be a
listmember.

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