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Message no. 1
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:07:27 -0500
Should we all just assume that this chicago thing has happened and work from
there?

AUGH -- And I liked chicago, too. Was born there. Sniff.
Message no. 2
From: "Wow, Reality. That's a switch" <MHILLIARD@****.ALBION.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:25:44 -0500
There's another problem with Chicago being bug-&%$@**. DANTE lives there.
We're going there to wipe his face on the asphalt, remember? All of what's
been written so far presupposes an "ordinary" (and I use the term loosely)
Chio
cago,

cago, with cops, and people, etc.

Can we just delete the offending posts from the logs, and have someone keep
them for later? For all the lousy timing they did look fairly well written,
after all. Whenever we do get around to catching up with "official" FASA
timelines, they can be reposted.

Slainte'!
Phelan
Message no. 3
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@***.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:35:56 -0500
> There's another problem with Chicago being bug-&%$@**. DANTE lives
> there. We're going there to wipe his face on the asphalt, remember?
> All of what's been written so far presupposes an "ordinary" (and I
> use the term loosely)

Ah, the joys of converging plots...

Anyway, there is a solution. I don't believe that all of Chicago is
quarantined.

Now, has anyone said the exact house number of Dant?

Once again...quick fix.

> Can we just delete the offending posts from the logs, and have
> someone keep them for later? For all the lousy timing they did look
> fairly well written, after all.

It might be sortof kindof possbile for me to live with that. If you're
referring to my stuff, which I believe is right. I'd have to edit a few
things, of course, but...

Tim Skirvin | "They didn't die for nothing, they died to bring
tskirvin@***.uiuc.edu| us Pepsi!" -- Mr Sutton on "Glory"
Message no. 4
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:42:48 -0500
If I remember correctly, Dante lives in the collapsed Sears Tower with all
the ghouls nd ghosts and stuff.
Message no. 5
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@***.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:58:13 -0500
> If I remember correctly, Dante lives in the collapsed Sears Tower
> with all the ghouls nd ghosts and stuff.

Ah. You're right. That IS in the messed up area.

Well, sortof.

Funny thing about that place, the Shattergraves seem to be getting
through these problems the easiest...the bugs can't find anyone to eat there,
besides things that fight back a lot.

Tim Skirvin | "They didn't die for nothing, they died to bring
tskirvin@***.uiuc.edu| us Pepsi!" -- Mr Sutton on "Glory"
Message no. 6
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:02:51 -0500
Hey, if you are done with your copy of that book, I would love to
read it. What do you think, Tim?
Message no. 7
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@***.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:18:19 -0500
> Hey, if you are done with your copy of that book, I would love to
> read it. What do you think, Tim?

I think I need that map... <grin>

Actually, there's already GP here that wants to borrow it. I can
probably get it to you eventually, but in the mean time I'll take care of
the locals...

(Good book, though...and quick response time from Tom Dowd when I
mailed in some questions. Cool.)

Tim Skirvin | "They didn't die for nothing, they died to bring
tskirvin@***.uiuc.edu| us Pepsi!" -- Mr Sutton on "Glory"
Message no. 8
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:24:32 -0500
I'll arm wrestle GP for the book, what do you think?

Smile. No, just kidding.

Im not that great at dealing with plot lines here yet but I dont
see a problem with having the blitz group sitting around trying to
figure out what to do when the chicago group goes (literally) balistic
and wards / nukes the site.
Message no. 9
From: "Brian E. Angliss" <ANGLISS@******.BITNET>
Subject: Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 23:10:18 -0400
As far as Dante is concerned, having him living totally unmolested in the
middle of one heck of a lot of bugs is fine with me. And I thought that him
living alone totally unmollested in the Noose was bad enough....

And we can always change the city of his final post-mortem screw to another
city(a side-plot that Dark Angel and I are working on), so that's no big deal
either.

However, I also agree that this kind of sudden introduction of a MAJOR change
in the Shadowtk universe should NOT have been arbitrarily introduced. Now, I
have been guilty of this in the past(Gamma-Anthrax, playing a vampire
character, etc.), and will be again(specifically, Dante's final crowning
glory) most likely, unless the people here decide to curtail this. However,
for the sheer importance of Chicago as a current plot device, it should have
been discussed.

As an example: I am planning on creating another AAA megacorp, destroying a
mega-Munchkin orginization that is responsible for more agents and is better
at intelligence gathering than the CIA and KGB combined(add the Mossad to that
too) which is why it is getting destroyed. This has been hinted at for some
months now and I am now stating it openly for general discussion(the AAA
stuff, that is, not the Org stuff).

This is what needed to be done with the conversion over to Chicago being Bug
City. Not all of us have read, or have even been able to find Burning Bright.
We all probably knew it was coming, but we didn't expect it to happen so
suddenly. If we had, various plots would have been relocated. Dante's might
still have been there, as it would have made his death all that more
difficult. But what about A.I. and Monica? They are located in Chicago. I
may have to relocate another plot of mine in order to make it dangerous
again, rather than another inconvience(a major one, but still an inconvience)
to be swatted like another bug.

Having said this, I must agree with Dan that we work in a compromise somehow.
This is the ONLY way to institute some semblance of continuity. I can easily
start it up with Maxim's holdings in Chicago, since they have a rather large
office/manufacturing facility there. All I need is a go-ahead.

Brian
Message no. 10
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:05:16 -0700
Brian,

No insult intended, but you can't create a new AAA megacorp. Single A? Sure.
Double A? If you must. Triple A? No way. FASA decided who the AAA were
and they will remain to be those and just those.

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* Assitant Deputy * be unsavory, no one will argue: good shall follow *
* Fearless Leader * from them." *
* Carter@***.EDU * -- Torsten Von Ursus, Legends, Magic: TG *
*******************************************************************************
Message no. 11
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:31:55 -0500
On Mon, 10 Oct 1994, Jason Carter, Nightstalker wrote:

> No insult intended, but you can't create a new AAA megacorp. Single A? Sure.
> Double A? If you must. Triple A? No way. FASA decided who the AAA were
> and they will remain to be those and just those.

I must echo Jason's concerns. There are very very very few
megacorporations like Aztech, renraku, and the like. Yoshida Tech, one of
the big-name corps in the TK storyline, is _barely_ AA, and that was only
after absorbing MagnaTech and the good PR that resulted from preventing a
corp war. Tirandor's DDI is hovering somewhere aroung single A and will
probably not be changing. Automated Infoworks isn't even rated.

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Message no. 12
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:04:36 -0500
He can do what he wants, Jason.
Message no. 13
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 09:56:00 -0700
Sorry Brian, but I have to agree with Rob and Jason in not having Maxim become
part of the big Eight (nine). I can possibly see them becoming AA but I doubt
it especially without the backing of the Org and having most of the other
megacorps disliking them. Look at Aztec - if they didn't control a country they
would be nothing, its the only real reason that keeps them afloat.

As my two corps go - I think SteeleWood Technologies is 1st tir (barely) and is
a multi-national TT corp. Seraphy's corp is 2nd or 3rd tier, and half of
that is because its partially a holding corp (besides being the worlds largest
producer of gag gifts and props for practical jokes :)
Message no. 14
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:08:09 -0700
>However, I also agree that this kind of sudden introduction of a MAJOR change
>in the Shadowtk universe should NOT have been arbitrarily introduced. Now, I
>have been guilty of this in the past(Gamma-Anthrax, playing a vampire
>character, etc.), and will be again(specifically, Dante's final crowning
>glory) most likely, unless the people here decide to curtail this. However,
>for the sheer importance of Chicago as a current plot device, it should have
>been discussed.

Actually, Brian most of those that you did are not Major changes to SR
universe. Gamma-anthrax really didn't matter all THAT much - and AJ is only one
person. Compared to the this Chicago fiasco - their nothing.


Brian - just what is Dante's Final crowning glory? you probably don't need to
tell me, but I am usually a decent judge of what is way to far out.

Lets face it - if its something that FASA will come back at somepoint and
contradict - it really should be avoided.

The Monica thing really wasn't all that global - it only effected Seattle and
most people thought it was a virus or a rash of deckers. Many times Monica
really didn't effect the real world - she just controled sites and had them do
the same as normal.

Nightfox
Message no. 15
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@***.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 15:45:48 -0500
> However, I also agree that this kind of sudden introduction of a
> MAJOR change in the Shadowtk universe should NOT have been
> arbitrarily introduced. Now, I

Actually, it wasn't. It just happened, and I decided to blindly
follow FASA...

(I tried reasoning with DLoH. Yeah, right.)

Tim Skirvin | "They didn't die for nothing, they died to bring
tskirvin@***.uiuc.edu| us Pepsi!" -- Mr Sutton on "Glory"
Message no. 16
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 22:27:03 -0700
Gian-Paolo said:

>>He can do what he wants, Jason.

No, he can't. Three out of three administrators in conjunction with the
FAQ decided unamonumously that he could's have a AAA Megacorp.

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* Jason J Carter, * "How can you accuse me of Evil? Though these deeds *
* Assitant Deputy * be unsavory, no one will argue: good shall follow *
* Fearless Leader * from them." *
* Carter@***.EDU * -- Torsten Von Ursus, Legends, Magic: TG *
*******************************************************************************
Message no. 17
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 08:10:48 -0500
> No, he can't. Three out of three administrators in conjunction with the
> FAQ decided unanimously that he couldn't have an AAA megacorp.

He can do what he wants, Jason.

You can kick him off the list, yes, but then he can just go off and start his
own -- you need to realize, perhaps, that you are not the ultimate judge of
Reality.
Message no. 18
From: "Brian E. Angliss" <ANGLISS@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:28:57 -0400
Actually, I didn't see Doom respond, but I'll defer on further comment until
the expected mass indignation over my "AAA Megacorps" Plot-D comes to the
mailserver in my neighborhood.

Brian
Message no. 19
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:30:26 -0700
> No, he can't. Three out of three administrators in conjunction with the
> FAQ decided unanimously that he couldn't have an AAA megacorp.

>He can do what he wants, Jason.

No, he can't. I'd like to see Brian go down to the back and withdraw a
million dollars from my bank account because he wants to :)

>You can kick him off the list, yes, but then he can just go off and start his
>own -- you need to realize, perhaps, that you are not the ultimate judge of
>Reality.

Your right. I'm not the ultimate judge of reality. I am the assistant
deputy listmaster incharge of policing plotlines. My job is to make sure that
all plotline stay within the Shadowrun world as published by FASA. Another
AAA corp does not do that.

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* Jason J Carter * Carter@***.EDU * The late Deep Throat *
* The Nightstalker * * The X-Files *
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Message no. 20
From: Bona na Croin <MHILLIARD@****.ALBION.EDU>
Subject: Chicago
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 18:29:39 -0500
I been offline for a long time. Can someone tell me the current status of
Chicago? Is the city still interdicted/infested, of what?

Ffelan
Message no. 21
From: "Thomas W. Craig" <Craigtw1@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:32:18 -0500
Changing your name again, Phelan??? As far as I know...Chicago's status is
on hold until Bug City: Makes for an interesting time for Buzz, Gunny,
Firefox, and THE Nexus: as all of them are from or have lived in Chicago.
And all of them have friends and family inside Chicago...
Tom Craig
Message no. 22
From: Bona na Croin <MHILLIARD@****.ALBION.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 04:56:37 -0500
Thnks for the info. Cat Dancing is still AWOL in there, along with Jackal
and the extras/cannon fodder. -Which is why I haven't been around recently;
nothing to do!
To the new guy: Canada? No sweat. We've had stories in Germany, Britain,
the Carribbian, Austrailia, Mexico, Japan, and Southeast Asia. Why not
Canada?
As fer my name, well switching from the Gaelic to the Britonic spelling is
a pretty minor change-ever'body knows there's three different ways to spell
every word in the Celtic language anyway (Or at least FASA does *grin*).

Shade and sweet water,
Ffelann
Message no. 23
From: jaimie.nicholson@********.otago.ac.nz (Jaimie Nicholson)
Subject: chicago
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:08:00 +1200
Must be a slow week in the Seattle shadow biz, every runner and his dog are
lining up to join Quinn's run on the bugs in Chicago. So far we've got
Gunny (Carl), Firefox (Lis), Buzz, Bloodtooth, Silent Running, a talking
rat, a squatter, Blade, and the ring-master herself, The Mighty Quinn (and
that's only the three of us who are currently paying attention to the
list). If I was a bug, I'd get the hell back to whichever metaplane I came
from, because there would appear to be a significant percentage of the
world's trouble makers heading directly for Chicago.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 24
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: chicago
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 96 22:44:37 EDT
Jaimie Nicholson writes:
> rat, a squatter, Blade, and the ring-master herself, The Mighty Quinn (and
> that's only the three of us who are currently paying attention to the
> list). If I was a bug, I'd get the hell back to whichever metaplane I came
> from, because there would appear to be a significant percentage of the
> world's trouble makers heading directly for Chicago.

Hemhem! _Active_ troublemakers. All the other troublemakers are busy
because their respective deities are off working... =(



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Message no. 25
From: Craigtw1@***.com
Subject: Re: chicago
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:16:16 -0400
Ok, Bloodtooth and Firefox are engaged. Bloodtooth and Silent running are
brothers. And as I already said Firefox, Gunny, and Buzz are siblings. Buzz
is the eldest of this group. I have been debating about sending Shadow
along, but it is really unimportant if he goes along...unless Quinn bites the
big one...:)
Tom
Message no. 26
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: chicago
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:42:44 -0500
When are you going to start this fiasco? Dont worry, I call all plots
fiascos. Thats definitely how they feel a lot of the time.

I was supposed to have finished up a story for Serenity but, alas, havent
gotten it onto electronic form yet. I wrote it on the drive to MN a couple
weeks ago in my head. Well, most of the dialog at least, and 3 nights ago
I had a vision (tequilla induced) that has changed the outcome just a
whee bit. I'd love to finish that up while we plan for Chicago.

Ill start doing prep work on that right now.

> Must be a slow week in the Seattle shadow biz, every runner and his dog are
> lining up to join Quinn's run on the bugs in Chicago. So far we've got
> Gunny (Carl), Firefox (Lis), Buzz, Bloodtooth, Silent Running, a talking
> rat, a squatter, Blade, and the ring-master herself, The Mighty Quinn (and
> that's only the three of us who are currently paying attention to the
> list). If I was a bug, I'd get the hell back to whichever metaplane I came
> from, because there would appear to be a significant percentage of the
> world's trouble makers heading directly for Chicago.
>
> PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
> JAIMIE NICHOLSON
>
>
Message no. 27
From: "Mark A. Imbriaco" <mark@******.net>
Subject: Re: chicago
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:43:08 -0400 (EDT)
> When are you going to start this fiasco? Dont worry, I call all plots
> fiascos. Thats definitely how they feel a lot of the time.

Hell, most of 'em are fiasos, so why muddy the water with
niceties. :-)

> I was supposed to have finished up a story for Serenity but, alas, havent
> gotten it onto electronic form yet. I wrote it on the drive to MN a couple
> weeks ago in my head. Well, most of the dialog at least, and 3 nights ago
> I had a vision (tequilla induced) that has changed the outcome just a
> whee bit. I'd love to finish that up while we plan for Chicago.
>
> Ill start doing prep work on that right now.
>
Yeah, you do that. Slacker. :-) I've been waiting for you to
say something else since you mentioned it a couple weeks ago.

-Mark
Message no. 28
From: winter@******.med.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: chicago
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:50:28 -0400
Hey, I _am_ still paying attention, just went off camping for the
weekend. As last time I checked, I did not have a character in this
chicago run. However, you are correct in the statement that it is
dead quiet around here.

-winter
Message no. 29
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: chicago
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:15:32 -0500
> Yeah, you do that. Slacker. :-) I've been waiting for you to
> say something else since you mentioned it a couple weeks ago.

The initial plot thing was good, but why would someone do to us what they
did if they didnt want Serenity to ... well, Ill finish the story and post it.
Message no. 30
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: chicago
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:51:35 +0100
In message <199606171444.AA29621@*******.crhc.uiuc.edu>, Brian Rogers
<rogers@****.uiuc.edu> writes
>When are you going to start this fiasco? Dont worry, I call all plots
>fiascos. Thats definitely how they feel a lot of the time.

Coming up pretty soon with a little luck.

>I was supposed to have finished up a story for Serenity but, alas, havent
>gotten it onto electronic form yet. I wrote it on the drive to MN a couple
>weeks ago in my head. Well, most of the dialog at least, and 3 nights ago
>I had a vision (tequilla induced) that has changed the outcome just a
>whee bit. I'd love to finish that up while we plan for Chicago.

Sure. I tend to get some stuff written before everything hits the fan,
so you have some time: there's some more chasing Quinn needs to do. Let
me know when you're ready to roll.

>Ill start doing prep work on that right now.
>

--
"There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy."
Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 31
From: MAGECK <YBKB@*****.iup.edu>
Subject: Re: chicago
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 01:25:47 -0400 (EDT)
hey if you need any more help in this little venture into the CZ. STREETWOLF
isn't doin anythin right about now. He could even help out on the gettin ya
out. He is a combat mage with some rep around here. And he doesn't like bugs.
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Message no. 32
From: jaimie.nicholson@********.otago.ac.nz (Jaimie Nicholson)
Subject: Chicago
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:31:09 +1200
Seems like the damn town is getting more visitors after the bug thing than
before it...

Anyway is there going to be any sort of security level increase on the CZ
wall in relation to that news item about a whole heap of dead UCAS army
personnel we saw not long ago? Sorry, I forget who sent it, but you know
who you are.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 33
From: Vincent Esposito <vesposito@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:48:58 -0400
Jaimie Nicholson wrote:
>
> Seems like the damn town is getting more visitors after the bug thing than
> before it...

Yes it is ;)

>
> Anyway is there going to be any sort of security level increase on the CZ
> wall in relation to that news item about a whole heap of dead UCAS army
> personnel we saw not long ago? Sorry, I forget who sent it, but you know
> who you are.

It's pretty safe to say that security will be upped to some extent.
Remember security around the CZ is on the order of "nothing larger
than a speck of dust gets in or out" already, so there isn't *too*
much more that can be done aside from replacing the dead soldiers and
assigning an extra mage or two to the area.

Aside from whatever troop increase the UCAS can manage in the area, you
can bet that *EVERYONE* on CZ duty is going to be on their toes for
several weeks. Forces unknown waylaid a platoon of soldiers while they
were sleeping and got away without a trace- enough to put anyone on
edge for a while.

The Army most likely knows more about what happened then they're
telling. That probably has them scared even worse <Evil Grin>

Dark Elf
Message no. 34
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 22:11:48 +0100
In message <v01540b03ae8201132906@[139.80.100.206]>, Jaimie Nicholson
<jaimie.nicholson@********.otago.ac.nz> writes
>Anyway is there going to be any sort of security level increase on the CZ
>wall in relation to that news item about a whole heap of dead UCAS army
>personnel we saw not long ago? Sorry, I forget who sent it, but you know
>who you are.

At the least, security at barracks et al is up quite a bit. Massacring
an entire platoon is quite a feat, and not one anyone wants to have
repeated while they're asleep: extra guard shifts suddenly seem
downright attractive by comparison.

--
"There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy."
Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 35
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:39:48 +1300
If they're hyperactive on the land border, they won't be expecting a
night-time sneak across lake Michigan by a team of runners on >>those water
bike things, what do you call them?<<.

And before anyone says "What about the noise?", there'll be a silence spell
and some illusional cover running.

And the astral patrol will be distracted by a concerted attack of 8 or so
watchers plus five or six elementals (for the purposes of this run, I'm
presuming that we have good intel on patrols, so the distraction is at the
perfect location to help us get through the astral line).

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 36
From: Mark Lafarga Neidengard <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:27:34 -0700
According to Jaimie Nicholson:
>
>If they're hyperactive on the land border, they won't be expecting a
>night-time sneak across lake Michigan by a team of runners on >>those water
>bike things, what do you call them?<<.

Jetskis.

>And before anyone says "What about the noise?", there'll be a silence spell
>and some illusional cover running.
>
>And the astral patrol will be distracted by a concerted attack of 8 or so
>watchers plus five or six elementals (for the purposes of this run, I'm
>presuming that we have good intel on patrols, so the distraction is at the
>perfect location to help us get through the astral line).

Remember that the mage must be within LOS of his elementals unless they were
summoned for Remote Service duty (which I believe they have to perform within a
"short" amount of time after they're summoned).
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Message no. 37
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:04:25 +1300
>Jetskis.

Thanks, I can never remember the damn name.

>Remember that the mage must be within LOS of his elementals unless they were
>summoned for Remote Service duty (which I believe they have to perform within a
>"short" amount of time after they're summoned).

The mage in question wil be present on the astral to order them into the
no-go patrolled zone... there's no way he'd trust the watchers without him
there to supervise them.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 38
From: Mike Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:25:14 -0500
At 02:04 PM 10/12/96 +1300, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:
>>Jetskis.
>
>Thanks, I can never remember the damn name.
>
>>Remember that the mage must be within LOS of his elementals unless they were
>>summoned for Remote Service duty (which I believe they have to perform
within a
>>"short" amount of time after they're summoned).
>
>The mage in question wil be present on the astral to order them into the
>no-go patrolled zone... there's no way he'd trust the watchers without him
>there to supervise them.
>
>PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
>JAIMIE NICHOLSON
>
Ah, so he's going to be a big astral target for the bugs. Goooooood plan.
While you're at it, give him a sign that says "Hey! Bugs! Kill me!"

Not all the security that you'll have to face comes from the UCAS military.
After all, they're keeping things _in_, not keeping people out.

And one last thing, just because the Army looks over in one direction
doesn't mean that the UCAS Coast Guard is going to be there too. They'll
keep patrolling the shores. The zone isn't easy to get in or out of, and
with the number of incidents of breakouts lately, I wouldn't doubt if
security was tighter than a nun's habit.

(think of it. Stormwind and Co. broke out, Blade and Quinn broke out, Ronin
broke in, and then out, and then in with friends, and then out with friends.
And now he want's to go back in? After a while, the military is going to go
'Hey, I remember him, he keeps breaking throught the defense, sick a
Stonewall on 'im.')



Mike Broadwater
"Love us with money or
we'll hate you with hammers."
-Milk and Cheese, Dairy Products Gone Bad
Message no. 39
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:38:51 -0500
It wasnt my fault, they made me do it!

> (think of it. Stormwind and Co. broke out, Blade and Quinn broke out, Ronin
> broke in, and then out, and then in with friends, and then out with friends.
Message no. 40
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:42:59 +1300
>>The mage in question wil be present on the astral to order them into the
>>no-go patrolled zone... there's no way he'd trust the watchers without him
>>there to supervise them.
>
>Ah, so he's going to be a big astral target for the bugs. Goooooood plan.
>While you're at it, give him a sign that says "Hey! Bugs! Kill me!"

He won't be going inside the zone, just annoying the astral patrols.

>(think of it. Stormwind and Co. broke out, Blade and Quinn broke out, Ronin
>broke in, and then out, and then in with friends, and then out with friends.

They don't know about either of the last two. And the last wasn't out with
friends, it was out under cover of an attempted breakout that they think
they crushed. there was footage of it a while back, maybe you missed it,
maybe you just didn't care (if it was the latter, then :P )

>And now he want's to go back in? After a while, the military is going to go
>'Hey, I remember him, he keeps breaking throught the defense, sick a
>Stonewall on 'im.')



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/|\
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This space is where I chose not to dignify that with a response.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 41
From: Mike Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:01:59 -0500
At 02:42 PM 10/12/96 +1300, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:
>They don't know about either of the last two. And the last wasn't out with
>friends, it was out under cover of an attempted breakout that they think
>they crushed. there was footage of it a while back, maybe you missed it,
>maybe you just didn't care (if it was the latter, then :P )
Oh, so Ronin is good enough to bring himself in and out, twice, of the
highest security area of one of the most powerful militarys in the world,
and they didn't notice. Oh, I didn't know he was that great. Forgive me.
How silly to think that a character who couldn't avoid Renraku could defeat
the UCAS military single handedly. What does he do after lunch? Take out
Zurich-Orbital?

Mike Broadwater
"Love us with money or
we'll hate you with hammers."
-Milk and Cheese, Dairy Products Gone Bad
Message no. 42
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:11:25 +1300
Mike:

>Oh, so Ronin is good enough to bring himself in and out, twice, of the
>highest security area of one of the most powerful militarys in the world,
>and they didn't notice.

If they notice, they stop you. Therefore getting in/out implies that you
did so without being noticed.

He by himself didn't get in, he and a team got in. And like someone said,
in is easy.

It was a force 10 or so free spirit possessing his body that got out.
Thusly the Ronin-Spirit meld had physical attributes in the mid to high
teens, and the ability to cast force ten spells with no drain. I think it
could have sneaked out quite successfully, even without back up, which it
had.

>Oh, I didn't know he was that great. Forgive me.

Of course. We all make mistakes.

>How silly to think that a character who couldn't avoid Renraku could defeat
>the UCAS military single handedly. What does he do after lunch? Take out
>Zurich-Orbital?

Not as long as they keep up their... shall we say insurance payments.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 43
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 15:09:39 +0100
In message <199610120125.UAA11701@******.backbone.olemiss.edu>, Mike
Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU> writes
>(think of it. Stormwind and Co. broke out, Blade and Quinn broke out, Ronin
>broke in, and then out, and then in with friends, and then out with friends.
>And now he want's to go back in? After a while, the military is going to go
>'Hey, I remember him, he keeps breaking throught the defense, sick a
>Stonewall on 'im.')

Well, some people _can_ get in and out of the Zone... I have a lot of
intel and support work going on inside there, breaking up gangs trying
to monopolise airdrops and finding factions to support with weapons,
ammo and training in my game. Hence, when Quinn and Blade made their
break, the fact that (a) it was Quinn, who was there on semi-official
business, (b) they were working with the Ares team, (c) they were doing
a lot of hurt to the bugs during their breakout, helped a lot - Quinn
did show ID (and her Monopoly card, with the word "jail" crossed out and
replaced by "Chicago"), but the camera was totalled by then :)

Also, there's about forty miles of perimeter, so you don't hit the same
spot twice.


--
"There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy."
Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 44
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Chicago
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:16:02 -0500
Have we slung shot up to the point where chicago is opened again in
list-time?

If so, I would like to start making it more public that Serenity, seeing
the oportunity, has begun trying to make a full fledged stab into
chicago.

As with most things I do, I am not planning on doing anything earth
shattering other than mentioning that we are moving on
that target area as any up and coming security firm would, possibly
expanding the force to include a couple more runners on retainer, and
maybe some postings out of that area abotu how easy / hard it is.
Message no. 45
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Chicago
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:41:36 +0000
On 26 Sep 97 at 14:16, Brian Rogers wrote:
> Have we slung shot up to the point where chicago is opened again in
> list-time?
As I got my hands burned as much as one can w/o being flamed when I
touched the subject, I'd say "yes" (especially as I finished my biz
there :-)

> If so, I would like to start making it more public that Serenity, seeing
> the oportunity, has begun trying to make a full fledged stab into
> chicago.
>
> As with most things I do, I am not planning on doing anything earth
> shattering other than mentioning that we are moving on
> that target area as any up and coming security firm would, possibly
> expanding the force to include a couple more runners on retainer, and
> maybe some postings out of that area abotu how easy / hard it is.
Will this be public knowledge?

Sascha
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