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Message no. 1
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:30:27 +1300
Where has it been indicated that ythe ordinary citizens of Seattle (there
must be a few) know about the bugs? I know Bug City made it to S-land, but
not many people have that sort of access. The high corp types are going to
know, sure, and everyone knows something wierd is going on, but not many of
the peasantry are going to know exactly what.

And even to the deckers that live on S-land, and the runners that sneak
into chicago every five minutes ( :P ), all that interior Bug City BBS
stuff about current conditions inside the zone would be new.
Message no. 2
From: Mike Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:39:57 -0500
At 11:30 AM 10/15/96 +1300, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:
>Where has it been indicated that ythe ordinary citizens of Seattle (there
>must be a few) know about the bugs? I know Bug City made it to S-land, but
>not many people have that sort of access. The high corp types are going to
>know, sure, and everyone knows something wierd is going on, but not many of
>the peasantry are going to know exactly what.

It was a major issue of the campaign. I'd check my books, but _all_ of them
are at home, and that's 500 miles away.

Mike Broadwater
"Love us with money or
we'll hate you with hammers."
-Milk and Cheese, Dairy Products Gone Bad
Message no. 3
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:01:46 +1300
>>Where has it been indicated that ythe ordinary citizens of Seattle (there
>>must be a few) know about the bugs? I know Bug City made it to S-land, but
>>not many people have that sort of access. The high corp types are going to
>>know, sure, and everyone knows something wierd is going on, but not many of
>>the peasantry are going to know exactly what.
>
>It was a major issue of the campaign. I'd check my books, but _all_ of them
>are at home, and that's 500 miles away.

You mean the election campaign in which Dunkelzahn (how many others of you
always thought that was "Dunzelkahn", BTW) took part? I haven't seen the
stuff on that yet, new FASA gear takes forever to reach NZ.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 4
From: Steven Ratkovich <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 19:17:21 -0500
>Where has it been indicated that ythe ordinary citizens of Seattle (there
>must be a few) know about the bugs? I know Bug City made it to S-land, but
>not many people have that sort of access. The high corp types are going to
>know, sure, and everyone knows something wierd is going on, but not many of
>the peasantry are going to know exactly what.
>
>And even to the deckers that live on S-land, and the runners that sneak
>into chicago every five minutes ( :P ), all that interior Bug City BBS
>stuff about current conditions inside the zone would be new.
>
Thank you... this is the point that I was attempting (badly, it seems) to
make earlier. In our current SR game (which is current time) as well as two
other games that I've played in over the last six months, the bugs are still
a well kept secret. Runners know a bit of the truth, but your everday
citizen seems to know very little, and "bug theories" go the same way as
"Elvis sightings" and "Atlantis Theories" and <gasp>
"Immortal Elf
Theories". This has been the general consensus with most of the players and
GM's that I know, which is why i was going with the idea... Sorry if I
confused anyone or anyone disagrees, but seeing as tehre's very little
information in any "official canon" to indicate how widespread teh bug city
story really is, all I can go on is what I've heard from various sources...:)

Steve
Message no. 5
From: Nightblade <wgreason@*****.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:41:13 -0400
No specifics, but I do know that nearly all of the Universal Brotherhood
affiliates have been knocked out on the North American continent shortly
after (or maybe before) Chicago exploded.

Thus, with the Universal Brotherhood suddenly squashed, there could be a
number of questions arising from the general public about this sudden, sharp,
and effective elimination of what looked like just another religious sect.

In this way, I think an number of people would become aware of the threat of
bugs.

But I could be mistaken ... apathy should never be underrated.

peace
Dave
Message no. 6
From: Steven Ratkovich <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 21:52:22 -0500
>No specifics, but I do know that nearly all of the Universal Brotherhood
>affiliates have been knocked out on the North American continent shortly
>after (or maybe before) Chicago exploded.
>
>Thus, with the Universal Brotherhood suddenly squashed, there could be a
>number of questions arising from the general public about this sudden, sharp,
>and effective elimination of what looked like just another religious sect.
>
>In this way, I think an number of people would become aware of the threat of
>bugs.
>
>But I could be mistaken ... apathy should never be underrated.
>
>peace
>Dave
>
Ok guys, here's a comprimise...

For one, Bull hasn't had any outside contact with the rest of the world, so
he has no idea what anyone knows... He just wants to get the word out to
anyone and everyone whether they've heard it or not.

Next, we are going to introduce something a little unusual. it's still in
the works, and it won't be anything Earth Shattering, but should be
interesting and will (hopefully) be something that hasn't been done before.

Third. We are going to go under the assumption that there are still a good
number of people that do not know the truth. We are going to the public
with our info, whether they really want to hear it or not...

And last, can we just assume, since it hasn't been said one way or another,
that teh UCAS still publicly denies the existance of the bugs, or at least
downplays teh threat very severely, and that a large portion of teh populace
doesn't know about the bugs?

Just my suggestions...

Steve
Message no. 7
From: Mike Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:37:13 -0500
At 08:41 PM 10/14/96 -0400, Nightblade wrote:
>No specifics, but I do know that nearly all of the Universal Brotherhood
>affiliates have been knocked out on the North American continent shortly
>after (or maybe before) Chicago exploded.

It happened shortly before the Chicago incident. Several months, I think
actually. The UB got taken down for good in a module called 'Double
Exposure'. I know a lot of people don't like the published modules, but it
did have some good info in it. After that, the novel _Burning_Bright_ took
over, and that's when 'Bug City' happened. Then 'Bug City' was realeased,
and the rest is history. I'm not sure, but I would check _Super_Tuesday_
for info on what the public knows. Really, any book about the campaign
might tell you. I believe there was some debate on what should be done
about it, and so I think the public has a good idea of what's going on.
Maybe not. For the new plot that's going on, I'm willing to say that the
public doesn't have much of a clue (how odd<g>). Of course, for everyone of
them that wants to open up this can of worms, there's probably a group who
wants it kept closed <g>

Mike Broadwater
"Love us with money or
we'll hate you with hammers."
-Milk and Cheese, Dairy Products Gone Bad
Message no. 8
From: Steven Ratkovich <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 02:31:29 -0500
>At 08:41 PM 10/14/96 -0400, Nightblade wrote:
>>No specifics, but I do know that nearly all of the Universal Brotherhood
>>affiliates have been knocked out on the North American continent shortly
>>after (or maybe before) Chicago exploded.
>
>It happened shortly before the Chicago incident. Several months, I think
>actually. The UB got taken down for good in a module called 'Double
>Exposure'. I know a lot of people don't like the published modules, but it
>did have some good info in it. After that, the novel _Burning_Bright_ took
>over, and that's when 'Bug City' happened. Then 'Bug City' was realeased,
>and the rest is history. I'm not sure, but I would check _Super_Tuesday_
>for info on what the public knows. Really, any book about the campaign
>might tell you. I believe there was some debate on what should be done
>about it, and so I think the public has a good idea of what's going on.
>Maybe not. For the new plot that's going on, I'm willing to say that the
>public doesn't have much of a clue (how odd<g>). Of course, for everyone of
>them that wants to open up this can of worms, there's probably a group who
>wants it kept closed <g>
>
Don't worry, Mike, we fully intend to include that... Seems at the very
least Ares and the UCAS would have an interest in keeping things quiet...:)
Message no. 9
From: Brian Angliss <angliss@*****.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:25:48 -0600
>No specifics, but I do know that nearly all of the Universal Brotherhood
>affiliates have been knocked out on the North American continent shortly
>after (or maybe before) Chicago exploded.

Important note: The UB has been squashed ONLY in North America and
selected other nations(TNO, TT, Azania I assume, etc). It is alive and
well pretty much everywhere else, last I read.

Brian
Message no. 10
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:35:55 +0100
In message <199610150017.TAA26365@***.ncweb.com>, Steven Ratkovich
<chaos@*****.COM> writes
>Thank you... this is the point that I was attempting (badly, it seems) to
>make earlier. In our current SR game (which is current time) as well as two
>other games that I've played in over the last six months, the bugs are still
>a well kept secret. Runners know a bit of the truth, but your everday
>citizen seems to know very little, and "bug theories" go the same way as
>"Elvis sightings" and "Atlantis Theories" and <gasp>
"Immortal Elf
>Theories".

FWIW General Yeats was making "Bug City" one of his election issues, so
it's probably pretty widely known by now.


--
"There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy."
Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 11
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:05:06 +0100
In message <199610150252.VAA15957@***.ncweb.com>, Steven Ratkovich
<chaos@*****.COM> writes
>Third. We are going to go under the assumption that there are still a good
>number of people that do not know the truth. We are going to the public
>with our info, whether they really want to hear it or not...
>
>And last, can we just assume, since it hasn't been said one way or another,
>that teh UCAS still publicly denies the existance of the bugs, or at least
>downplays teh threat very severely, and that a large portion of teh populace
>doesn't know about the bugs?

Again, at the least some references in Super Tuesday tend to give the
lie to that... candidates were openly referring to the failure to find a
solution to Bug City. Sounds like the VITAS cover story died a death a
while ago...

--
"There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy."
Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 12
From: Steven Ratkovich <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Chicago: a defence of the "newbies" (BTW,
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:30:25 -0500
>In message <199610150017.TAA26365@***.ncweb.com>, Steven Ratkovich
><chaos@*****.COM> writes
>>Thank you... this is the point that I was attempting (badly, it seems) to
>>make earlier. In our current SR game (which is current time) as well as two
>>other games that I've played in over the last six months, the bugs are still
>>a well kept secret. Runners know a bit of the truth, but your everday
>>citizen seems to know very little, and "bug theories" go the same way as
>>"Elvis sightings" and "Atlantis Theories" and <gasp>
"Immortal Elf
>>Theories".
>
>FWIW General Yeats was making "Bug City" one of his election issues, so
>it's probably pretty widely known by now.
>
This is true... i had forgotten that part... Hmmm, funny that I forgot
considering We ran all teh Penchyk and Yeats stuff from teh game... And
yeah, Yeats REALLY made bugs part of his platform (won't say ant more, it's
a spoiler...:))

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