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Message no. 1
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Compulsory Signatures
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:32:46 +0000
A question for the list.

Anthony G Guillotte <gguillotte@****.COM> has the problem that his Juno
account automatically attaches a signature file that he cannot turn off.

Are we prepared to allow this as a sole exception to the "no .sig files"
rule, or not?
Message no. 2
From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Compulsory Signatures
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:05:45 -0800
On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Paul J. Adam wrote:

> A question for the list.
>
> Anthony G Guillotte <gguillotte@****.COM> has the problem that his Juno
> account automatically attaches a signature file that he cannot turn off.
>
> Are we prepared to allow this as a sole exception to the "no .sig files"
> rule, or not?

Herm....

Anybody actually tried to reason with Juno? (Not that I think this has a
great chance of succeeding, but Anthony might try to sound really P.O.ed
that he has to put up with their stupid .sig, and they might tell him how
to take it off). If that is impossible, then I would feel more inclined
to let it go. But I guess that's because I find 99.5% of all .sigs
annoying to begin with.

--The .sigless

Jeff
Message no. 3
From: Kristling Ravenwing <kristling@*******.CROSSWINDS.NET>
Subject: Re: Compulsory Signatures
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:30:17 -0500
> From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
> On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Paul J. Adam wrote:
>
> > A question for the list.
> >
> > Anthony G Guillotte <gguillotte@****.COM> has the
problem that his Juno
> > account automatically attaches a signature file that he
cannot turn off.
> >
> > Are we prepared to allow this as a sole exception to
the "no .sig files"
> > rule, or not?
>
> Herm....
>
> Anybody actually tried to reason with Juno? (Not that I
think this has a
> great chance of succeeding, but Anthony might try to
sound really P.O.ed
> that he has to put up with their stupid .sig, and they
might tell him how
> to take it off). If that is impossible, then I would
feel more inclined
> to let it go. But I guess that's because I find 99.5% of
all .sigs
> annoying to begin with.
>
>
--The .sigless
>
>
Jeff
Okay, and if that doesn't work, he can try my free e-mail/
webpage provider, crosswinds, at www.crosswinds.net . No
frequent crashes like geocities, and no stupid ad sig
because they're no profit.
Message no. 4
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Compulsory Signatures
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:43:28 +1200
>A question for the list.
>
>Anthony G Guillotte <gguillotte@****.COM> has the problem that his Juno
>account automatically attaches a signature file that he cannot turn off.
>
>Are we prepared to allow this as a sole exception to the "no .sig files"
>rule, or not?

I hate to be a bastard about it, but I'd say no. Can the Juno.com people be
earbashed about it? Lists are a fairly common thing, aren't they? Surely
the Juno suits can see how this is annoying for people the world over, and
thus be persuaded.
Message no. 5
From: Anthony G Guillotte <gguillotte@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Compulsory Signatures
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:56:15 EST
Josh Higham:

>I don't think it is necessary to use Juno to post; it is possible to
>simply use Netscape or Eudora, and a friendly smtp server to post, and
set
>your from and reply values.
>
>If someone needs help with this, please mail me (I accidently deleted
the
>relevant message, so I can't name names, nor quote).

How could I do that? I don't have an ISP...

Jeffrey Mach:
>Anybody actually tried to reason with Juno?

They've yet to reply, although they have been quite flexible with users
in the past with major changes, i.e. continuing Win3.1 support.

Kristling Ravenwing:
>Okay, and if that doesn't work, he can try my free e-mail/
>webpage provider, crosswinds, at www.crosswinds.net . No
>frequent crashes like geocities, and no stupid ad sig
>because they're no profit.

There's no way I can get there without WWW access, which I don't have.

_____________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Message no. 6
From: Josh Higham <jhigham@******.STUDENT.CWRU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Compulsory Signatures
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:57:50 -0500
On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:

> >A question for the list.
> >
> >Anthony G Guillotte <gguillotte@****.COM> has the problem that his Juno
> >account automatically attaches a signature file that he cannot turn off.
> >
> >Are we prepared to allow this as a sole exception to the "no .sig
files"
> >rule, or not?
>
> I hate to be a bastard about it, but I'd say no. Can the Juno.com people be
> earbashed about it? Lists are a fairly common thing, aren't they? Surely
> the Juno suits can see how this is annoying for people the world over, and
> thus be persuaded.
>

It may just be that I don't have the preferance set to recieve copies of
my own message, but just in case no one received it (and since no one
seems to have commented on it) I will repeat my case.

There is no need to have an "email provider" to SEND email...only to
recieve it. Using [almost] any email program, you can specify which
machine will be used to send your email (an SMTP server), and as long as
you specify the appropriate addresses within your settings, no one will
ever have to be aware of the difference. This is easy to do, is in no way
"wrong", and seems like a very easy solution. If anyone needs help
setting it up, I'll be glad to help.

*-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-*
Josh Higham jxh25@**.cwru.edu
11904 Carlton Rd. 410A http://129.22.241.146/~jhigham/
Cleveland OH 44106 Anon ftp available at the same site
Message no. 7
From: Josh Higham <jhigham@******.STUDENT.CWRU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Compulsory Signatures
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:17:23 -0500
I'm sorry, I was unaware that Juno actually supplied the internet
connection - I thought it was a web or application based network
application, no more, no less.

If people really have a problem with signature files, and Juno won't
change their minds, I would be willing to forward files, after stripping
the signature.

Just goes to show; it ain't too hard to make a fool of yourself,
particularily if you don't read all your email before writing messages.


ciao

*-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-**-*
Josh Higham jxh25@**.cwru.edu
11904 Carlton Rd. 410A http://129.22.241.146/~jhigham/
Cleveland OH 44106 Anon ftp available at the same site
Message no. 8
From: Anthony G Guillotte <gguillotte@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Compulsory Signatures
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:05:38 EST
Juno sent a reply to its customer service - automated of course.

-----
We're sorry that you are experiencing difficulties using the Juno
software. Below, you will find a list of help documents which contain
all
-- or many -- of the words in your support request. Please check the
list
to see if you would like to receive any of these documents.
-----

Well, the rest of it was basically every help file Juno has, and none of
them were relevant to the subject. Then, it continued:

-----
If these documents have not helped you to successfully resolve the
problem
you are experiencing, you can receive live technical support by calling
900-555-JUNO [555-5866]. Please note that this call will cost
$1.95/minute.
You must be 18 years of age to use this service.

(Because Juno is a free service, it is particularly important that we
conserve resources for our core mission, which is providing free e-mail.
For the minority of our members who require human intervention to use
Juno, we make such assistance available, but we ask that those members
help cover the much higher cost of live technical support.)
-----

So much for earbashing on deaf ears... ah well.

LPHnS,

GG

_____________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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