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Message no. 1
From: "Brian E. Angliss" <ANGLISS@******.BITNET>
Subject: Corp War?
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 15:50:37 -0400
I don't think that there is even remotely a chance of corp war with this one.

Even with Maxim and Renraku involved, plus whoever else, Farrleton shouldn't be
large enough to cause any real conflict. If it gets carved up, fine. If it
gets purchased lock, stock and barrel by someone, that's cool too. But the use
of Black IC would just mean that the stock would plummet as Farrleton settled
out of court for a large sum of money. This would mean that the corp would be
that much easier to purchase. And I seriously doubt that anyone wants it bad
enough to fight over it too hard. Maxim doesn't, but I have my own plans for
Farrleton....

Brian
Message no. 2
From: "Thomas W. Craig" <Craigtw1@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Corp War?
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 17:11:54 -0400
You've got your plans...but Vathor Technologies is trying to expand...that's
why they're so interested in Farrleton, enough to offer one and a half+ times
the asking price for the stock. They're trying to get a foothold in North
America...easiest way; buyout. :)
Tom
Message no. 3
From: Andrew May <amay@****.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corp War?
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:15:43 CDT
Oh yeah Flute owns 5% (I don't know how many shares) from when her da'
passed away. Kovak owned the stock to try and fight Humanis within
the corp.

Andrew
Message no. 4
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Corpwar
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:08:00 +1200
Remember when I was discussing a brief outbreak of corpwar a couple of
months back? Well, now it's getting closer, and I forget what the final
comments were regarding the allowability of said corporate conflict.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 5
From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corpwar
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:01:39 -0700
Well, since nobody bit on this:

On Tue, 27 May 1997, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:

> Remember when I was discussing a brief outbreak of corpwar a couple of
> months back? Well, now it's getting closer, and I forget what the final
> comments were regarding the allowability of said corporate conflict.

If you've got web access, the whole thing is discussed in:

http://listproc.itribe.net/listserv/archives/current/plotd.log9703a

and " /plotd.log9703b

if you don't, then I'm not sure how you would go about snagging them.
Possibly by FTP. Check the FAQ.

Basically, the allowability was such that, it should not get so big as to
raise the ire of the corp court. Nor should there be civilian (non-corp)
casualties, thereby getting the govt.'s attention and thereby the corp
court would kick both company's butts. In other words nothing big enough
to raise the specter of the "world altering" clause in the FAQ.

There was considerable discussion started when you wanted to have the
MetroPlex guard have to come in and cool things down. Then it seemed to
evolve from a intra-corp war to a fight between runners hired by the
corps, plus some gangers and a riot which seemed to be getting further and
further away from the original plotline.

Eventually, quoting you:

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:19:46 +1300
"I'm working on toning it down a little, well, maybe a lot. I don't see
any need to involve the met guard, so that's one way in which it becomes
less overt."

This seemed to be the last of it. You seemed to be changing your mind
several times as to what was going on specifically, although your general
outline was pretty clear. But you never described your final plan, not
that that is necessary.

--Everybody else's two yen

Jeff
Message no. 6
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Corpwar
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:28:20 +1200
>Basically, the allowability was such that, it should not get so big as to
>raise the ire of the corp court. Nor should there be civilian (non-corp)
>casualties, thereby getting the govt.'s attention and thereby the corp
>court would kick both company's butts. In other words nothing big enough
>to raise the specter of the "world altering" clause in the FAQ.

The court wouldn't stomp on any corp, but it might force some compensation
payments. That wouldn't constitute world-altering would it?

>There was considerable discussion started when you wanted to have the
>MetroPlex guard have to come in and cool things down. Then it seemed to
>evolve from a intra-corp war to a fight between runners hired by the
>corps, plus some gangers and a riot which seemed to be getting further and
>further away from the original plotline.

I think the main change was in the way I was describing it. It was always
going to be done through gangers, runners, shell-corps, etc. I was happy to
give away the met guard since some people apparently had a problem with it.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 7
From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corpwar
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:14:24 -0700
On Thu, 29 May 1997, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:

> The court wouldn't stomp on any corp, but it might force some compensation
> payments. That wouldn't constitute world-altering would it?

Probably not. What I meant by "stomping" _was_ economic sanctions. Corp
Court probably doesn't have much of anything in terms of physical threat,
but targeting the pocketbook hurts a company much more seriously. The
idea was that open warfare between mega-corporations was right out. And
none of the big heads should roll. Maybe a cameo of one of them saying
"how shocked...shocked and dismayed such a thing could be allowed to
happen," but one tends not to get that high without a very thick layer of
thermal insulation for whenever the heat is on. But compensation payments
for "material and personnel damaged in an intercorporate conflict" could
be well within bounds. Kind of like the really old days where one side
would pay for what they killed or destroyed in a battle, so that after the
war, both sides could rebuild, and you wouldn't start a fight unless you
were willing to pay for it.

> I think the main change was in the way I was describing it. It was always
> going to be done through gangers, runners, shell-corps, etc. I was happy to
> give away the met guard since some people apparently had a problem with it.

Well, the idea there was that anything close to large enough of a conflict
to get the attention of the Metroplex guard would be within the realm of
"world-altering" in a way that most didn't approve of. Since this was
and inter-corp fight, it didn't make sense that they would want the thing
to escalate to that point anyway. The economic sanctions brought by
pissing off a city-state can be rather extreme.

--Jeff

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