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Message no. 1
From: "Sergej R. Bailleul" <S.R.Bailleul@*********.SALFORD.AC.UK>
Subject: Dwarf conclusion
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:43:09 +0000
> Utah -- another landlocked state with a lot of mountains in the area. A
> little richer (minerally speaking) than Colorado. Has some great geography
> in the area. And a lot less populous than Denver. (There is also an
> inside joke on why I said Utah of all the Rocky mountain states - but
> that's unimportant).

Thanks for the Info.

> I still don't like your idea. Unless the dwarves really want to be killed,
> they wouldn't have put their Cairn there. That fault was active when they
> would have been building the Cairn. (at least according to the latest
> geographic data that I have heard -- Angliss might know if I'm wrong on
> that though).

I see this as the major fault in the theory. I didn`t think. The
Rockies have got to constitute a fault line, of course. It makes me wonder
though, why was NORAD built there if any cave would be destroyed in
the foreseeable future?

> Two, You are making the assumption that Thera's reach would have made it
> all the way to the Americas. I'm not sure that is correct. I haven't
> heard of any other mentions of Cairn's for North or South America, which
> would hint that FASA didn't extend the Theran empire that far.

Thera? I thought the dwarf kingdom was called Throal? In any case,
that garbled mention of Throal inone of the headers was a slight slip of
the tongue/type. I am aware that this can not be the same kingdom.
I simply assumed that Barsaive is not the only populated area during
the 4th world.

> For the record (as some of the old-timers quite well know), I for one am
> not the most thrilled with dragging Earthdawn so heavily into Shadowrun.
> Plots that involve the 4rth age tend to turn me off. There are plenty of
> things to do with just Shadowrun alone without dragging in Earthdawn
> tie-ins. I also know that plenty on these listservs do not agree with me
> on this. Still, I think it should be said, "We are playing Shadowrun, not
> Earthdawn." While it is reasonable to assume that most people have some
> exposure to Shadowrun rpg, assuming that they are remotely interested in
> Earthdawn is a bit unfair. Not everyone is rich enough to buy everything
> that FASA puts out.

I agree on that point. It`s just that this thought of a dwarf
settlement under or in NORAD was nagging in my mind for quite a while
and I just let it out when I had a chance to. Normally I stick to
excentric but contemporary magic and military/mercenary scenarios.
This was a bit of a change for me, but since it`s my frist major post
how should you know?

Considering all the problems that have arisen with it, I shall drop
the plotline. Consider the Attention Denver post an experiment
in style, nothing more.

Sorry about the confusion

Sergej
Message no. 2
From: Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Dwarf conclusion
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:44:58 MST
NORAD was built to survive a lot of things. The base would survived
an earthquake. The small print is that no one would be able to get in
out of the place afterwards. There are other interesting tidbits
about NORAD as well, but don't have nearly enough time to mention
them.

Again, if I was going to put a dwarven kingdom anywhere, it would be
in Utah. *grin*

Seriously though, Throal would have been located NE of the Black Sea.
Not exactly close to Colorado. Thera would have been located roughly
somewhere around Crete. Thera had a large empire, but from what I
read (and I don't currently follow what FASA has done to Earthdawn for
the past year and a half) I got the impression that Thera's influence
didn't reach the Americas. (I could be wrong on that. *grin*)
Barsaive is definitely not the only populated place in Earthdawn. The
problem is that Thera taught Barsaive that the Cairns were the way to
survive the Scourge. The question is, who else did they tell?

I don't object to your idea as far as you doing something like this
(other than my general distaste for the mixing of Earthdawn and
Shadowrun). What I am mainly objecting to is putting it in Denver.
Denver isn't the right place for it. It is already a busy enough
location.

M.


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Subject: Dwarf conclusion
Author: ShadowTk Plot and Administrative Discussion
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Date: 11/22/96 9:51 AM


> Utah -- another landlocked state with a lot of mountains in the area. A
> little richer (minerally speaking) than Colorado. Has some great
geography
> in the area. And a lot less populous than Denver. (There is also an
> inside joke on why I said Utah of all the Rocky mountain states - but
> that's unimportant).

Thanks for the Info.

> I still don't like your idea. Unless the dwarves really want to be
killed,
> they wouldn't have put their Cairn there. That fault was active when
they
> would have been building the Cairn. (at least according to the latest
> geographic data that I have heard -- Angliss might know if I'm wrong on
> that though).

I see this as the major fault in the theory. I didn`t think. The
Rockies have got to constitute a fault line, of course. It makes me wonder
though, why was NORAD built there if any cave would be destroyed in
the foreseeable future?

> Two, You are making the assumption that Thera's reach would have made it
> all the way to the Americas. I'm not sure that is correct. I haven't
> heard of any other mentions of Cairn's for North or South America, which
> would hint that FASA didn't extend the Theran empire that far.

Thera? I thought the dwarf kingdom was called Throal? In any case,
that garbled mention of Throal inone of the headers was a slight slip of
the tongue/type. I am aware that this can not be the same kingdom.
I simply assumed that Barsaive is not the only populated area during
the 4th world.

> For the record (as some of the old-timers quite well know), I for one am
> not the most thrilled with dragging Earthdawn so heavily into Shadowrun.
> Plots that involve the 4rth age tend to turn me off. There are plenty of
> things to do with just Shadowrun alone without dragging in Earthdawn
> tie-ins. I also know that plenty on these listservs do not agree with me
> on this. Still, I think it should be said, "We are playing Shadowrun,
not
> Earthdawn." While it is reasonable to assume that most people have some
> exposure to Shadowrun rpg, assuming that they are remotely interested in
> Earthdawn is a bit unfair. Not everyone is rich enough to buy everything
> that FASA puts out.

I agree on that point. It`s just that this thought of a dwarf
settlement under or in NORAD was nagging in my mind for quite a while
and I just let it out when I had a chance to. Normally I stick to
excentric but contemporary magic and military/mercenary scenarios.
This was a bit of a change for me, but since it`s my frist major post
how should you know?

Considering all the problems that have arisen with it, I shall drop
the plotline. Consider the Attention Denver post an experiment
in style, nothing more.

Sorry about the confusion

Sergej

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