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Message no. 1
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:29:58 +1200
Damn and bugger, these two messages got back to me in the wrong order. I'm
guessing most of you got the same thing, unless I'm confused about how the
list works.

It was supposed to be Faerie's message first, then Lightning's message
("well, duh," you think, "were not as stupid as you.").

>*****PRIVATE: Faerie
>>>>>>[Tip off the feds again? I suppose it should be easier to convince
>them the second time, since we were right on the first. Yeah, sure, why
>not? I'll contact the same guy I got last time.
>
>So, you want a humorous sexual reference, do you? Er... no, can't do it,
>not even with no-one reading over my shoulder. It's just not in me. You can
>be the leader, I don't care either, as long as I get to do exactly what you
>tell me ;P.
>
>Yeah, sure, let's go to DC. I'll follow you anywhere E>.]<<<<<
> -- Lightning <20:40:44/05-20-59>
>
>*****PRIVATE: Lightning
>>>>>>[Hey, I don't give two dead chickens for the damn CoT anymore,
>they're broken far as I can see. It's Thirstein's got the need to kill them
>all. Though this gas attack GKJ and co. are planning is a bit of a worry...
>how about we let someone else deal with it though, if it comes to anything
>resembling an assault on the fortress?
>
>And as for defining the leader... [insert humourous sexual reference here].
>I don't care, really, as long as you do exactly what I tell you ;P.
>
>Anyway, I've got some more paying work coming up... feel like a holiday in
>Washington DC?]<<<<<
> -- Faerie <18:50:52/05-20-59>

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 2
From: Karl Low <kwil@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:32:04 -0600
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>


>Damn and bugger, these two messages got back to me in the wrong order. I'm
>guessing most of you got the same thing, unless I'm confused about how the
>list works.


You must be confused about how the list works. They landed in my mailbox in
the right order.

Then again, Outlook Express re-orders the entire message list on any field on
the click of a button. Every once in a while those boys at MS manage to pull
off something with brains.

Karl
Message no. 3
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 01:19:43 -0400
who in the world is the leader of CoT? or is it broken for good??
--
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BigDaddy
Message no. 4
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:13:57 +0200
On 20 May 98, at 21:32, Karl Low wrote:
[snip]
> Then again, Outlook Express re-orders the entire message list on any field
> on the click of a button. Every once in a while those boys at MS manage to
> pull off something with brains.
Yeah... usually they pull it off some other program (see Pegasus or Eudora Mail
for examples :-)


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Message no. 5
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:03:06 +0100
In article <3563B96F.375846D9@*****.com>, BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
writes
>who in the world is the leader of CoT? or is it broken for good??

Essentially it is broken for good. However <hehe>

The leader at this present moment in time is a Cabal, led by Shaitan.

Otherwise the organisation that existed over the last 1.5-2 years has
ceased to exist as a coherent unit.

--
Avenger
Message no. 6
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:20:30 +1200
>*****PRIVATE: Shifters
>>>>>>[Hold on, Faerie, what do you mean, you almost wanted to kill him?
>Terminal told me you flamed him down and flew off with his
corpse.]<<<<<
> -- ThunderStone <12:42:54/05-25-59>

Did everyone else get that twice? Same question applies to the one from Rand.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 7
From: Karl Low <kwil@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 17:38:37 -0600
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>



>*****PRIVATE: Sawman
>>>>>>[You idiot! I'm not dead! Faerie's frothing at the mouth here!
What
>made you jump to that conclusion? Faerie wants to kill you, and she might
>even kill me for warning you about that. Luckily I haven't told her much
>about you, but she'll find you pretty damn fast with the info about Mom
>that she's got. You'd better run, bro. I'll try to persuade her not to come
>for you, but I have the feeling I'll fail.]<<<<<
> -- Lightning <18:04:25/05-25-59>
>
>*****PRIVATE: ThunderStone
>>>>>>[Can you try to stop Faerie killing my brother?
Please.]<<<<<
> -- Lightning <18:10:16/05-25-59>


This is the one I got twice. The others all came through just once.
Looks like TK is suffering the same problems as RN. Hopefully this purge will
clear them all up at once.

-Karl
Message no. 8
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:10:05 +1200
>plenty of trouble already.]<<<<<
> -- Lightning </06-23-59>

Looks like I get to walk up that hill...

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 9
From: Team ODIN <jhary-a-conel@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:23:47 +0200
On 31 Jul 98, at 10:24, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:
> >>>>>[Wasted = on cannabis, aka pot. It's a plant, I know some people
who
> grow it in a hydroponic unit. Dosage by smoking. Great stuff, IMHO, and in
> Faerie's too. It causes some lung damage, about similar to cigarettes, and
> there are some mental side effects that come with long term use, slightly
> worse than the equivalent level of BTL use. Picturesque...
[snip]

I take it Lightning offers his idea of pot here? I got the impression
BTLs substitute hard drugs like heroin in the 205x'es, are highly
addictive and dangerous because of unfiltered "peaks" in the replay.
Canabis is less addictive then cigarettes are, and causes less
damage to your body (but because one usually smokes it with
tabacco as ... uh, "carrier" (?) the tabacco's health and addiction
levels do come in on this, of course).

AFAIK it's not sure mental disorders arise from long-term use, but
until I fnd sufficent proof (beyond "the people _I_ know...") I will not
argue about it (although the people _I_ know... *grin*)

Get me right: I am not propagating the consumation of canabis, but
there are differences beteen hard drugs and pot, and both alcohol
and cigarettes are more addictive and dangerous for your health then
pot. Stay away from all those drugs, even or especially the legal
ones, to be safe.

The problem why I get nervous when this topic is brought up is
canabis is illegal, and people consuming it automagically get contact
to dealers who'll trade in hard drugs, too. Or why do you think dope
is considered a "beginner's drug"? Would you really believe smoking
pot wakes the desire to smoke crack?
Message no. 10
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:53:28 +0100
In article <PLOTD%98080208223353@********.ITRIBE.NET>, Team ODIN <jhary-
a-conel@***.NET> writes

>AFAIK it's not sure mental disorders arise from long-term use, but
>until I fnd sufficent proof (beyond "the people _I_ know...") I will not
>argue about it (although the people _I_ know... *grin*)

A recent study of Canabis smokers in the US has revealed that there is
some brain function damage over long term use. Canabis affects certain
areas of the brain, primarily those associated with motor function and
perception, another area it appears to affect is (I think) the
Hippocampus. (Not sure what this is associated with though). Anyway,
radiometric and a few other tests were run on users, before and after,
and on people who didn't use Canabis. The results were quite startling.

The damage is not deadly, but it does inhibit the brain considerably
over long term use. It may well turn out that it is the damage is
relatively benign, but, in my opinion, there is no such thing as benign
damage to the brain.

>Get me right: I am not propagating the consumation of canabis, but
>there are differences beteen hard drugs and pot, and both alcohol
>and cigarettes are more addictive and dangerous for your health then
>pot.

In it's pure form yes, I agree. However, it is extremely rare to find
people smoking "grass" without a medium such as tobacco to cut it. So,
in that respect, smoking pot is just as bad for your health as smoking
cigarettes, however, in respect to that, people don't tend to smoke as
many joints as they do cigarettes so it's less harmful by amount
consumed rather than by substance.

>The problem why I get nervous when this topic is brought up is
>canabis is illegal, and people consuming it automagically get contact
>to dealers who'll trade in hard drugs, too. Or why do you think dope
>is considered a "beginner's drug"? Would you really believe smoking
>pot wakes the desire to smoke crack?

Dope is considered the "beginners" drug for several reasons, however, as
with any form of drug use, drugs are initially a "social" event. Most
people are introduced to drugs (whether it starts with pot, ecstasy or
similar) through friends. The hard drugs are not a natural progression
from pot smoking, but peer pressure is. I know it seems rather strange
to describe drug abuse as a social event considering it's anti social
connotations, however, that is invariably how it begins. You are
however correct in your assumptions that dealers in canabis will have
access to harder drugs, though that is not a rule of thumb. If they
don't actually deal in harder substances, they will almost certainly
know someone who does.

The one thing that bothers me at the moment, is the strange habit of
American youths and some in Europe to partake of the Rave drug Ecstasy
*and* swallow Viagra as well. It's a craze that has begun to occur in
the UK of late, and unfortunately can be fatal if alcohol is consumed in
quantities along with the so called "party" drugs.

As regards your comments about BTL replacing hard drugs in Shadowrun,
that's another argument altogether but from my own point of view, I
would disagree most strongly. There is a large percentage of the
population that simply can't afford the cyber implant, player and chip
habit that BTLs and Simsense incur. In these conditions, drug abuse
would be as rife in the unemployed and Sinless more than they are today
in the ghettos and inner city areas and clubs etc. I would think also,
that hard drugs today, like heroin, cocaine, crack would be much cheaper
on the streets than today, so cheap in fact that they would almost be
candy for kids. Harder, more expensive drugs would be the chemically
created artificial drugs. Specialist drugs created for specific
effects. There's a section on a friends site which I helped her write
that explores this side of things a little bit, and will give you some
idea how we see drugs in the future world of Shadowrun.

http://www.irascible.demon.co.uk/llsvgm/drugs.htm

We'll be expanding that section later along with some other stuff on the
site as it seems to have proved popular with people. Go figure?


--
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Message no. 11
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:12:17 +1200
>It may well turn out that it is the damage is
>relatively benign, but, in my opinion, there is no such thing as benign
>damage to the brain.

Good point.

>In it's pure form yes, I agree. However, it is extremely rare to find
>people smoking "grass" without a medium such as tobacco to cut it.

That's not my experience at all... I've never met anyone who would cut
their pot with anything. What the hell would the point be?

>As regards your comments about BTL replacing hard drugs in Shadowrun,
>that's another argument altogether but from my own point of view, I
>would disagree most strongly. There is a large percentage of the
>population that simply can't afford the cyber implant, player and chip
>habit that BTLs and Simsense incur.

Simsense and BTLs both can be run through a trode rig, and the price of
them isn't much more than a trid or whatever.

>Harder, more expensive drugs would be the chemically
>created artificial drugs. Specialist drugs created for specific
>effects.

And minimal side effects too, so as not to discourage the customers.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 12
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:49:02 +0100
In article <v01540b05b1eabe023721@[139.80.126.134]>, Jaimie Nicholson
<jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ> writes

>>It may well turn out that it is the damage is
>>relatively benign, but, in my opinion, there is no such thing as
>>benign damage to the brain.

>Good point.

I thought so. :) From what I remember of the program that covered the
research it's not actually the brain in it's physical sense as in the
material that the brain is constructed of that is damaged, but the
chemicals and nerves that link areas together. Several different areas
are affected and it's rather shocking the amount of inhibited traffic
there is after even one joint, let alone several.

I have no idea what they used to "photograph" the brain's activity, some
series of sensors stuck in a skull cap type affair, but it monitors the
brain activity. The entire frontal section to about half way across the
brain turned a pale blue colour as opposed to the orange and yellows of
the active areas. It took several days before the affected areas
returned to normal after two joints. Imagine those who smoke several a
day...

There was one particular part, and not really having any knowledge of
biology I can't pronounce or spell it. :) That was severely affected,
and the research team where of the opinion that over several years, this
section would effectively become useless.

>>In it's pure form yes, I agree. However, it is extremely rare to find
>>people smoking "grass" without a medium such as tobacco to cut it.
>
>That's not my experience at all... I've never met anyone who would cut
>their pot with anything. What the hell would the point be?

It happens here, again I can only speak from personal experience, but
from what I know the people who are mixing grass (as opposed to resin,
which is usually crumbled into tobacco.) with tobacco are either
stretching it so they have a greater supply, or are looking for a milder
hit.

>>As regards your comments about BTL replacing hard drugs in Shadowrun,
>>that's another argument altogether but from my own point of view, I
>>would disagree most strongly. There is a large percentage of the
>>population that simply can't afford the cyber implant, player and chip
>>habit that BTLs and Simsense incur.
>
>Simsense and BTLs both can be run through a trode rig, and the price of
>them isn't much more than a trid or whatever.

True, but when you don't have enough money to feed your family, and your
life is fucked, then how can you afford a trode or proper rig let alone
something to plug it into? Somehow, even today people still manage to
find the money for drugs, though their living accommodations may be well
below basic and they don't own a TV or much of anything else. In this
situation I would expect street gangs to be the heaviest users of drugs,
followed by those in society who have little else in their lives to
alleviate their circumstance.

For social reasons, I would think that executives would also be drug
users, in very much the way that so many are today. It's easier to
snort something and get high at one of the "power parties" than it is to
jack in and disassociate yourself from reality and the people around
you. Chip abuse is not a social event, drug abuse usually is. Also,
it's easier during a particularly stressful day to relieve the tension
and pressure with a substance, than to expose yourself to the problems
associated with the disconnection of chip use.

>>Harder, more expensive drugs would be the chemically
>>created artificial drugs. Specialist drugs created for specific
>>effects.
>
>And minimal side effects too, so as not to discourage the customers.

I'm not sure about /minimal/ side effects, certainly greatly reduced as
they would target specific areas of the body/brain for a desired effect,
so, in that sense, there would be less physical harm from say a
hallucinogenic drug, and less mental harm from a muscle stimulant, but
there would certainly be some damage over long term abuse, possibly even
ruinous damage, depending on the level and frequency of abuse. One
thing that I understand about drug abuse is that the addict isn't just
addicted to the substance, but the "good feeling" - though they know
they are in deep trouble, they just love the high. They *like* to feel
good, and the drug makes them feel good. After a while the body starts
to build a resistance to the drug, the high isn't as good, it doesn't
last as long, and the down is harder, so the frequency of use increases
to compensate and in many circumstances the quantity increases with the
frequency.

I do tend to agree with you though, if the drug is less damaging, the
addict lives longer, and pays the dealer more. The drug is recommended
to friends and associates "hey look at me, I'm fine and I get high every
night." Creating more addicts and income for the pusher and his
supplier. Ultimately though as with *any* drug abuse, only ruin and
ill-health can result.

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Message no. 13
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:12:07 +1200
>It happens here, again I can only speak from personal experience, but
>from what I know the people who are mixing grass (as opposed to resin,
>which is usually crumbled into tobacco.) with tobacco are either
>stretching it so they have a greater supply, or are looking for a milder
>hit.

That's just stupid... why not just smoke less, which will both stretch
supply, and give a milder hit? I don't understand this at all.

>I do tend to agree with you though, if the drug is less damaging, the
>addict lives longer, and pays the dealer more. The drug is recommended
>to friends and associates "hey look at me, I'm fine and I get high every
>night." Creating more addicts and income for the pusher and his
>supplier. Ultimately though as with *any* drug abuse, only ruin and
>ill-health can result.

Hmmm... a knee jerk moralist reaction, perhaps? Drug use can also lead to a
happier life. Depends where you draw the line between use and abuse, I
guess. I would draw it at the point where the user can no longer hold a
job/go to school/function in society. Others are less liberal.

But debating drugs is hardly why plotd was conceived. Feel free to let this
drop if you no longer care.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 14
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 02:29:15 +0100
In article <v01540b03b1ec0058155c@[139.80.126.134]>, Jaimie Nicholson
<jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ> writes

>That's just stupid... why not just smoke less, which will both stretch
>supply, and give a milder hit? I don't understand this at all.

This is the UK, you live in the US, there are differences between the
people as well as the geographical location. Brits aren't labelled as
odd, just because they come from England. :)

>>night." Creating more addicts and income for the pusher and his
>>supplier. Ultimately though as with *any* drug abuse, only ruin and
>>ill-health can result.
>
>Hmmm... a knee jerk moralist reaction, perhaps?

Hardly. If you want to see a knee jerk moralist reaction, ask a friend
of mine who lost his brother to heroin - then you'll see a knee jerk
reaction (at length)

>Drug use can also lead to a
>happier life.

Debatable. Very debatable. I would be interested in how you arrive at
that conclusion unless you are also bringing medicinal use of approved
pharmaceuticals into the concept.

Abuse in my opinion is any form where it becomes a habit as opposed to
once in a blue moon. Smoking cigarettes is just as much a drug habit as
someone who shoots up on Heroin, and just as destructive, only in a
different time span.

>Depends where you draw the line between use and abuse, I
>guess. I would draw it at the point where the user can no longer hold a
>job/go to school/function in society. Others are less liberal.

I would consider myself less liberal. It is possible to be a confirmed
and acknowledged (self or legal) addict to something like Cocaine, yet
still hold down a job - that is still abuse in my opinion. Abuse of the
law, abuse of the body, as well as stupid. There is currently a scare
running through the media here in the UK at the moment, with another
heroin plague about to hit school kids, there have been instances of 10
years and up using and being addicted to the stuff. There is no "line"
between use and abuse with substances like Heroin. Canabis, well, it is
essentially an "innocent" drug as a relaxant, so I would not label a
smoker of grass/resin as an abuser unless they were smoking non-stop
from dawn till dusk. I draw lines at the drug itself, not how
frequently it's used.

With hard drugs there is no such thing as moderation, the body makes the
demands, it sets the levels of up and down, and the craving must be
answered.

>But debating drugs is hardly why plotd was conceived.

Well no that's true, though it does have some relevance to
Shadowrun/Cyberpunk in general.

>Feel free to let this
>drop if you no longer care.

I don't particularly. So consider it dropped. :)

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Message no. 15
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:51:35 -0400
At 01:12 PM 8/4/98 +1200, you wrote:
>>It happens here, again I can only speak from personal experience, but
>>from what I know the people who are mixing grass (as opposed to resin,
>>which is usually crumbled into tobacco.) with tobacco are either
>>stretching it so they have a greater supply, or are looking for a milder
>>hit.
>
>That's just stupid... why not just smoke less, which will both stretch
>supply, and give a milder hit? I don't understand this at all.

Dude, everytime I've talked to anyone who's smoked pot, they do it
straight, either rolled as a joint or packed in a bong. And why go for a
milder hit? And considering "grass" is pretty cheap anyway, who needs to
stretch it out?

The only time you cut it with tobacco (which is typically called a blunt)
is to be able to smoke pot out in public, since it just looks (and smells)
like you are smoking a cigar. The name "blunt" is a reflection of the
cigars favored for this practice, Phillies Blunts, chosen because they can
be unwrapped and have marijuana added relatively easily. I bit harder to
do that with a quality cigar, like an Arturo Fuente, a Davidoff, a
Maquanudo (which I can never spell correctly...). Of course, anyone that
spends $10 to $20 or more on a single cigar is also highly unlikely to cut
that cigar apart; a box of Phillies is only a few bucks I think and are
available at a lot of liquor/convenience stores.

>Hmmm... a knee jerk moralist reaction, perhaps? Drug use can also lead to a
>happier life.

What? ...we had better not go farther into this one. It'll piss people off.

Erik J.


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Message no. 16
From: "Frank Pelletier (Trinity)" <jeanpell@****.QC.CA>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:39:41 -0400
Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM> once wrote,

(snipped)

>Dude, everytime I've talked to anyone who's smoked pot, they do it
>straight, either rolled as a joint or packed in a bong. And why go for a
>milder hit? And considering "grass" is pretty cheap anyway, who needs to
>stretch it out?
>
>The only time you cut it with tobacco (which is typically called a blunt)

Marijuana 101: (Yeah, as if :) )

A blunt's (a.k.a. Swishers or Cohibas) typically a cut-up cigar, lined with
crushed marijuana buds and moistened back together (Like Erik said). A
typically rolled joint is not a blunt. But it's all semantics.

People smoke buds straight up through bongs, pipes, blunts, or heated
knifes. I don't know if you've ever smoked a joint made out of straight,
fresh bud...but it's pretty harsh and hard on the throat. That's why most
people who smoke bud marijuana in joints will cut it with tobacco. Joints
who contain nothing but potent material will be, more often than not, the
less-active leaf of the plant, hence the term "weed" or "grass".
Cheap, and
milder than bud, so you don't need to cut it with tobacco.

Mind you, this is just what I heard. :)

Trinity
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Message no. 17
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:48:35 +1200
>People smoke buds straight up through bongs, pipes, blunts, or heated
>knifes. I don't know if you've ever smoked a joint made out of straight,
>fresh bud...but it's pretty harsh and hard on the throat. That's why most
>people who smoke bud marijuana in joints will cut it with tobacco.

And that makes it less harsh?

On another note, that's possibly the worst thing one can do... any form of
smoke causes an inflammatory reaction that can damage your lungs in the
presence of nicotine (nicotine inhibits the action of a protective protein
called alpha-one-antitrypsin, this protein prevents the inflammatory
reaction damaging the lungs, so nicotine -> no protection -> lung damage).
Cigarettes alone are bad enough, the additional irritation caused by the
harsher pot smoke will make things worse, as will the fact that the pot
smoke (and the nicotine bearing smoke) is held in longer.

>Mind you, this is just what I heard. :)

Yeah, me too ;)

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 18
From: Chickenman <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:15:34 +1300
>*****PRIVATE: Lightning
>>>>>>[Paranoia: I don't care enough to argue.
>
>Morals: I didn't think you had many left, to be brutally honest... what is
>there that you simply won't do?]<<<<<
> -- Lightning <12:09:20/10-14-59>

How embarassing. That was supposed to be Sawman talking to lightning.

>>humourous accepting a carp metaphor<<

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 19
From: Michael Broadwater <neon@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:52:41 -0600
Sandra wrote:

> *****PRIVATE: Lightning
> >>>>>[Hey, who's turn is it today? Oh, who cares.
>
> A hot tip for christmas... buy shares in ASB (Aotearoa Savings Bank)
> next tuesday, they're planning some market manipulation and all SK
> employees have been given some advance warning. Probably insider
> trading, but waddya gonna do? The price'll start to drop on tuesday when
> it goes post dividend, so wait until it bottoms out. Then they've got
> something worked out to push the price up again, damn if I know what
> exactly.]<<<<<
> -- Sawman <18:25:41/12-11-59>

And the SEC has a screaming fit. This is _huge_ insider trading, which,
apparently, everyone at SK knows about, which means that the SEC _will_
find out. In which case SK's CEO and Board of Directors would be
slammed with fines and criminal charges. Stuff like this just doesn't
happen.

Oh, and as for pushing the price up. Well, when you have a ton of
people buying stock (as would happen in this situation) the stock price
shoots up (artificially) and then bottoms again until it eventually
comes back to it's "true" value. If the company survives, that is.

Market manipulation is a huge corporate crime, and the Court and the SEC
wouldn't look to kindly upon it.

Mike Broadwater
Message no. 20
From: Sandra <sandral@****.CO.NZ>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:02:47 -0800
Michael Broadwater wrote:
>
> > A hot tip for christmas... buy shares in ASB (Aotearoa Savings Bank)
> > next tuesday, they're planning some market manipulation and all SK
> > employees have been given some advance warning. Probably insider
> > trading, but waddya gonna do? The price'll start to drop on tuesday when
> > it goes post dividend, so wait until it bottoms out. Then they've got
> > something worked out to push the price up again, damn if I know what
> > exactly.]<<<<<
> > -- Sawman <18:25:41/12-11-59>
>
> And the SEC has a screaming fit.

SEC?

>This is _huge_ insider trading, which,
> apparently, everyone at SK knows about, which means that the SEC _will_
> find out. In which case SK's CEO and Board of Directors would be
> slammed with fines and criminal charges. Stuff like this just doesn't
> happen.

ASB's CEO and Board would be slammed with charges etc.

> Oh, and as for pushing the price up. Well, when you have a ton of
> people buying stock (as would happen in this situation) the stock price
> shoots up (artificially) and then bottoms again until it eventually
> comes back to it's "true" value. If the company survives, that is.

You're right, but that's not the whole story.

> Market manipulation is a huge corporate crime, and the Court and the
> SEC wouldn't look to kindly upon it.

Good point... Sawman shouldn't really have been shooting his mouth off.
I'd better come up with a good excuse fast.
Message no. 21
From: Michael Broadwater <neon@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Family matters
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:45:27 -0600
Sandra wrote:

> > And the SEC has a screaming fit.
>
> SEC?

Securities and Exchange Commision.

> You're right, but that's not the whole story.

No big suprise :)

> > Market manipulation is a huge corporate crime, and the Court and the
> > SEC wouldn't look to kindly upon it.
>
> Good point... Sawman shouldn't really have been shooting his mouth off.
> I'd better come up with a good excuse fast.

Sawman probably was just incorrect on his info or something...rumor _is_
just rumor...

Mike Broadwater

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