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Message no. 1
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Haven
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 13:27:09 EST
Righteous and Dana are now staying at Haven, although they are staying
VERY far away from any telecomm devices.
Message no. 2
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Haven
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:22:16 +0100
Abbadon will honour his threat, and will attack first supply trucks
feeding Haven, then possibly transports heading in and out of the place.
He may launch a couple of suicide bombers and maybe a mortar attack
against Haven. The intention is not Haven's destruction - that would be
unreasonable for me to request. But to add terror into a place that has
previously been relatively safe for metahumans, to announce to the world
that nothing is sacred and nothing is safe.


Whether there are deaths from the attacks is up to you, but there will
be a few random events. No concerted attacks though. The forces at
Abbadon's disposal are not united, they are individual cells who operate
pretty much on their own.


--
Avenger
Message no. 3
From: Brian Angliss <angliss@*****.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Haven
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:51:18 -0600
> Abbadon will honour his threat, and will attack first supply trucks
> feeding Haven, then possibly transports heading in and out of the place.

Ok, those are really hard to defend against. Luckily, most of the medical
supplies are already in, and Haven always has a couple of days of food on
hand. Of course, that food goes fast when no more is getting in.

Realistically, Haven is big enough to make catching all of those
transports difficult (the land that is officially Haven is about 10 blocks
long and 5 to 8 wide, dilineated from the surrounding Redmond by a white
picket fence), but it'll hurt.

Presumably CoT will be using rockets, assault rifles, and the standard
stuff, right?

> He may launch a couple of suicide bombers and maybe a mortar attack
> against Haven.

Ouch.... That's gonna be nasty to stop. Ok, though.

> The intention is not Haven's destruction - that would be
> unreasonable for me to request. But to add terror into a place that has
> previously been relatively safe for metahumans, to announce to the world
> that nothing is sacred and nothing is safe.

Haven should have been a target a lot more regularly than it has been, so
this is cool.

> Whether there are deaths from the attacks is up to you, but there will
> be a few random events. No concerted attacks though. The forces at
> Abbadon's disposal are not united, they are individual cells who operate
> pretty much on their own.

Damn, that's my only complaint. I was kinda hoping for a concerted attack
to reveal Haven's formidable defenses (There's a reason there's no tall
buildings near the white picket fence, at least not on the inside).

But it makes sense, so I won't complain too much. :)

Brian
Message no. 4
From: "Mark L. Neidengard" <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Haven
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:03:20 -0700
According to Brian Angliss:
>> Abbadon will honour his threat, and will attack first supply trucks
>> feeding Haven, then possibly transports heading in and out of the place.
>
>Ok, those are really hard to defend against. Luckily, most of the medical
>supplies are already in, and Haven always has a couple of days of food on
>hand. Of course, that food goes fast when no more is getting in.

What will Interpol do to quash this sort of violence? As bad as the area is,
I can't see it being politically advisable for them to allow open paramilitary
assaults on civilian vehicles; sounds to me like they'd start really bringing
in the heavy artillery. And if they don't, I'm sure someone on the corporate
scene would. If necessary, I can make V-12 and the crew available...
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Grad, VLSI http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/Jack-of-all-Trades, CACR
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict
Message no. 5
From: Justin Fang <justinf@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Haven
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:21:09 -0700
Brian Angliss wrote:
>> Abbadon will honour his threat, and will attack first supply trucks
>> feeding Haven, then possibly transports heading in and out of the place.

>Ok, those are really hard to defend against. Luckily, most of the medical
>supplies are already in, and Haven always has a couple of days of food on
>hand. Of course, that food goes fast when no more is getting in.

If they attack one of the Hayashi trucks bringing medical supplies (which is
likely, even though there's only a couple of them, since Hayashi has been
heavily publicizing its charity efforts), Hayashi will be somewhat peeved.
Not peeved enough to activly try and hunt down CoT cells--that would take
real money and effort--but they'd put more security on their transports.
They don't have much heavy firepower in the Seattle area, so they'll
probably hire escorts from Lone Star. A determined attack (does the CoT
make any other kind?) would still have a good chance of wrecking one of the
convoys, since they aren't going to splurge for really good security, but it
would at least be harder.

Also, if Val thinks to ask, he can get Hayashi to donate food as well (they
got their start in agribusiness). Hayashi won't be able to refuse, since it
would look bad after all the publicity they've been putting out.

--
Justin Fang (justinf@****.caltech.edu)
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Message no. 6
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Haven
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:52:10 +0100
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.980417094340.28200C-
100000@*****.Colorado.EDU>, Brian Angliss <angliss@*****.COLORADO.EDU>
waffled & burbled about Haven
>Realistically, Haven is big enough to make catching all of those
>transports difficult (the land that is officially Haven is about 10 blocks
>long and 5 to 8 wide, dilineated from the surrounding Redmond by a white
>picket fence), but it'll hurt.

I don't expect to be able to prevfent all transports getting in, that
would require a siege, and I feel that Seattle Law Enforcement might
object somewhat to an army of street punks laying siege to anything. :)

>Presumably CoT will be using rockets, assault rifles, and the standard
>stuff, right?

Pretty much yeah.

>> He may launch a couple of suicide bombers and maybe a mortar attack
>> against Haven.
>
>Ouch.... That's gonna be nasty to stop. Ok, though.

Fine. :)

>> The intention is not Haven's destruction - that would be
>> unreasonable for me to request. But to add terror into a place that has
>> previously been relatively safe for metahumans, to announce to the world
>> that nothing is sacred and nothing is safe.
>
>Haven should have been a target a lot more regularly than it has been, so
>this is cool.

I must confess that I'm rather surprised it hasn't, though I suspect
that's partly because it's a Player company - and there's a certain
reticence with fragging another players goodies. :) Also, there aren't
too many racist nutballs on this list that would think it an excellent
jape to have a go.

>> Whether there are deaths from the attacks is up to you, but there will
>> be a few random events. No concerted attacks though. The forces at
>> Abbadon's disposal are not united, they are individual cells who operate
>> pretty much on their own.
>
>Damn, that's my only complaint. I was kinda hoping for a concerted attack
>to reveal Haven's formidable defenses (There's a reason there's no tall
>buildings near the white picket fence, at least not on the inside).

OK, if you want a concerted attack, it can be arranged. It will require
that Haven become a little more active in responding though. A few well
placed taunts, some verbal abuse, a bit of active hunting, and you can
have 100-150 street level types attack...


Vehicles would be battered, old cars/vans, bikes and foot sloggers,
mainly armed with ageing weapons, with a few new ones attached.
Molotov's, a very few grenades, homebuilt mortar attack from two vans,
edged weapons from stolen swords to meat cleavers and baseball bats.
Also a very few magically able punks will be attached, but they'll be
virtually untrained and fairly weak - adepts only though, no full mages.

Determined, drugged up, and completely sold on the fact that they can
beat the mutant enclave, and have a slaughter ball.

>But it makes sense, so I won't complain too much. :)

Oh no, complain loudly Brian - please. :)

By the end of this I need CoT virtually destroyed, unless a particular
condition is met first. <g>


I have been reticent about a full scale attack on Haven, because I don't
own it. However, if you are prepared to allow that sort of an attack,
you can have it. Have a blast writing it.

--
Avenger
Message no. 7
From: Brian Angliss <angliss@*****.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Haven
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:28:53 -0600
>What will Interpol do to quash this sort of violence?

Just like Lone Star, IPSB can't be everywhere. Drake will not be willing to=
put everything he's got into keeping Haven safe unless he really thinks=
it'll nail him a head terrorist. Protecting Haven is a cause he believes=
in, but he'll probably limit his direct interest in Haven to asking Val if=
he'd be willing to have one or two full-time officers there to call in=
reinforcements if something goes sour. Special Branch is just too small to=
post a contingent of officers there when there's stuff going on all over=
the city. And Val wouldn't let them anyway.

> As bad as the area is,
>I can't see it being politically advisable for them to allow open paramilit=
ary
>assaults on civilian vehicles; sounds to me like they'd start really bringi=
ng
>in the heavy artillery.

Actually, the area around Haven is undergoing a resurgance. Property values=
are up, people are actually moving in rather than out, and it's probably=
one of the nicer parts of Redmond. It's not in the heart of the Barrens.

You're right, though - open attacks like this are bad for buisness and=
public relations.

> And if they don't, I'm sure someone on the corporate
>scene would. If necessary, I can make V-12 and the crew available...

Let's see how things develop.

Brian
Message no. 8
From: Brian Angliss <angliss@*****.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Haven
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:19:02 -0600
>Also, if Val thinks to ask, he can get Hayashi to donate food as well (they
>got their start in agribusiness). Hayashi won't be able to refuse, since it
>would look bad after all the publicity they've been putting out.

Val would probably not think to ask, actually.

Brian
Message no. 9
From: Brian Angliss <angliss@*****.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Haven
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:23:56 -0600
>I don't expect to be able to prevfent all transports getting in, that
>would require a siege, and I feel that Seattle Law Enforcement might
>object somewhat to an army of street punks laying siege to anything. :)

Probably true.

>I must confess that I'm rather surprised it hasn't, though I suspect
>that's partly because it's a Player company - and there's a certain
>reticence with fragging another players goodies. :)

True enough, although I've been surprised at the number of times that Haven=
probably should have been targeted and wasn't. Hopefully that's changing a=
bit. Racism is so ingrained in the SR world that Haven really should be a=
major target for every nutcase in Seattle.

>OK, if you want a concerted attack, it can be arranged. It will require
>that Haven become a little more active in responding though. A few well
>placed taunts, some verbal abuse, a bit of active hunting, and you can
>have 100-150 street level types attack...

Hmmmm, that's actually going to make it a little tougher, then, because most=
of the people at Haven won't taunt Abbadon. There are a few, though....

>Determined, drugged up, and completely sold on the fact that they can
>beat the mutant enclave, and have a slaughter ball.

Ahhh, but that's the rub, isn't it? With the way Haven's set up, there=
probably won't be much of a slaughter as such. You'll see.... :)

>I have been reticent about a full scale attack on Haven, because I don't
>own it. However, if you are prepared to allow that sort of an attack,
>you can have it. Have a blast writing it.

Oh, I most certainly will. It'll be a while before it happens, though - CoT=
hasn't even attacked incoming transports yet! (And I'm prepping for my=
defense on Thursday, too)

Brian
Message no. 10
From: Brian Angliss <angliss@*****.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Haven
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:44:25 -0600
Ok, let's do this then so it doesn't mess with posts that have gone out. As soon as I get
a post together after dinner, I'll open up the gates and information will start flowing
through.

Brian
Message no. 11
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Haven
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:11:05 +0100
In article <v01510112b1693f693f13@[128.138.200.180]>, Brian Angliss
<angliss@*****.COLORADO.EDU> waffled & burbled about Haven
>Ok, let's do this then so it doesn't mess with posts that have gone out. As
>soon as I get a post together after dinner, I'll open up the gates and
>information will start flowing through.

Sounds good. Ta muchly - if only as it's a neat coverup for my mistake.
:)


--
Avenger
Message no. 12
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Haven
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 15:58:27 +0100
Hope you don't mind the verbal attacks on Haven Brian.

No offence intended. :)

Well, not to you anyway.

--
Avenger

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