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Message no. 1
From: Zebulin Magby zebulingod@*****.com
Subject: Help Wanted
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:11:30 -0800 (PST)
Whoops! sorry about the signature. I noticed it as the mail got sent, and I
apologize.

Zeb
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Message no. 2
From: Zebulin Magby zebulingod@*****.com
Subject: Help Wanted
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:20:14 -0800 (PST)
And Double Whoops as I didn't realize that the message wasn't to go to Nomad as
well. (I saw the subject and he was responding to a help wanted... I know, lame
excuse, but I hope I can be forgiven.)

Zebulin
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Message no. 3
From: Mark Imbriaco mark.imbriaco@*****.com
Subject: Help Wanted (fwd)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:50:05 -0500 (EST)
Uhh, Zeb? I'm pretty sure Nomad didn't respond to the request. We'll
pretend that you didn't include my name in the PRIVATE line. =)

-Mark

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:10:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Zebulin Magby <zebulingod@*****.com>
Reply-To: shadowtk@*********.com
To: Shadowtk@*********.com
Subject: Re: Help Wanted

***** PRIVATE: Nomad, Finnegan Wake, Grim Shear
Message no. 4
From: Grim Shear grim_shear@*******.com
Subject: Help Wanted
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:11:17 CST
Zebulin Magby <zebulingod@*****.com> said:
>***** PRIVATE: Finnegan Wake
> >>>>>[Great to hear. Since no one else has responded, it appears the
job
>is yours. First, I would like you to shadow this man:
>
>+++++Include man.image
>
>As you can see, he is around 1.6m tall, rather sturdy, with brown
>hair and eyes. This picture also shows him doing his job as a janitor
>at the school.
>
>This is the least likely of our suspects and so we wanted to rule him
>out first. Follow him for a week, and then get me a report of where
>he's been and whom he's seen or talked to. Your pay is <nice amount>
>for the week.
>
>There are two other individuals we need followed as with this person.
>The work is yours if you want it.]<<<<<
> -- Aurora <09:45:03/03-14-61>
>


Er... I thought that Grim's 'I'm available, is retribution included'
comment was roughly equivilant to I'll do it.

Unless of course you want more then one independant working on this?

Grim Shear
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Message no. 5
From: Zebulin Magby zebulingod@*****.com
Subject: Help Wanted
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:07:04 -0800 (PST)
Whoops! I had forgotten that Grim Shear replied. Well, I'll have to
send something to the list to let him know he's got the job...

Zeb



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I've wanted to do that for some time now. You shot the Kraut; hell, everybody shoots the
Kraut. But you shot my fucking car, that's against the rules!"

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Message no. 6
From: Ratinac, Rand (NSW) RRatinac@*****.redcross.org.au
Subject: Help Wanted
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:18:07 +1100
> ***** PRIVATE: Jenny Tailya
> >>>>>[ Compensation?
>
> You really don't need those amateurs, you know. I can easily do what you
want by myself.
>
> Perhaps after this mission is complete, you'll realise how useful I can
be. ]<<<<<
> -- Black <11:13:03/03-11-61>

No offense intended towards Jermaine or Konwacht, of course. Black is
just...like that. :)

Doc'
Message no. 7
From: Avenger psyscape@**********.com
Subject: Help wanted
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:42:55 +0100
Mark, while I appreciate your minor panic about the list. Don't worry too
much.

As I'm sure you are aware from previous comments by visitors and short time
members, it's probably only by freeing the list from canon (god please
don't) and changing the posting guidelines, which are extremely strict that
you'll get more people in here (not necessarily a good or bad thing). But,
well I'm sure others will put the obvious problems more eloquently than I
can.

Perhaps if you really really want more posters put a full page advert from a
link at Dumpshock inviting IC writers to come and visit. At the moment, it's
not exactly 100% clear what's what and where it is.

You could also post the addy for the list into the Shadowrn list regularly
and invite those questionable souls over here. Hey, it worked before, I
arrived didn't I. <snigger>

Also the list has moved twice in the last year, so you're going to get some
wastage.

Don't get upset about things. Just keep it running, and they will come, and
I've got lots of free time coming up soon. Anyway, I'll leave the
suggestions to those more able to make sensible suggestions, my mind just
doesn't seem to be able to cope with logic these days. :)

Hrrm. Perhaps the list needs something, a swift kick in the gonads
perhaps.... Now what /did/ I do with that Thunda version 3 plot? <g>

no I don't mean it, honest. No don't ban me,...... PLEASE!!! :)

Talk to you all very very soon.

--
Pete
Message no. 8
From: Bredget Stroud bstroud@*********.com
Subject: Help wanted
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:48:16 -0700
Hey, we've got a public folder at work I could post to. Maybe drum up a few
more folks.... if you don't mind a few more "Microsofties" in the mix <g>

Bredget

-----Original Message-----
From: Avenger [mailto:psyscape@**********.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:43 PM
To: PlotD
Subject: Help wanted


Mark, while I appreciate your minor panic about the list. Don't worry too
much.

As I'm sure you are aware from previous comments by visitors and short time
members, it's probably only by freeing the list from canon (god please
don't) and changing the posting guidelines, which are extremely strict that
you'll get more people in here (not necessarily a good or bad thing). But,
well I'm sure others will put the obvious problems more eloquently than I
can.

Perhaps if you really really want more posters put a full page advert from a
link at Dumpshock inviting IC writers to come and visit. At the moment, it's
not exactly 100% clear what's what and where it is.

You could also post the addy for the list into the Shadowrn list regularly
and invite those questionable souls over here. Hey, it worked before, I
arrived didn't I. <snigger>

Also the list has moved twice in the last year, so you're going to get some
wastage.

Don't get upset about things. Just keep it running, and they will come, and
I've got lots of free time coming up soon. Anyway, I'll leave the
suggestions to those more able to make sensible suggestions, my mind just
doesn't seem to be able to cope with logic these days. :)

Hrrm. Perhaps the list needs something, a swift kick in the gonads
perhaps.... Now what /did/ I do with that Thunda version 3 plot? <g>

no I don't mean it, honest. No don't ban me,...... PLEASE!!! :)

Talk to you all very very soon.

--
Pete
Message no. 9
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:13:43 +0100
In message <8CcNtMBlXIG0Ew$l@********.demon.co.uk>, "Paul J. Adam"
<shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>*****PRIVATE: Static
>>>>>>[Glad to hear it.
>
>
>In message <199709111247.IAA12462@**********.itribe.net>, "Mark A.
>Imbriaco" <mark@******.NET> writes
>>***** PRIVATE: Combine
>>>>>>>[ Your contract is acceptable. Please forward briefing
materials and
>>other details. ]<<<<
>> -- Static <08:51:01/09-11-58>


AAAARGH!!!

<Sound of savage ritualistic self-THWAPping>

I could try and pass that off as a deliberate example of what _not_ to
do, but nobody would believe me.
Message no. 10
From: Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Help Wanted
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:26:30 MST
"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK> writes:
>>*****PRIVATE: Static
>>>>>>>[Glad to hear it.
>>
>
>>In message <199709111247.IAA12462@**********.itribe.net>, "Mark A.
>>Imbriaco" <mark@******.NET> writes
>>***** PRIVATE: Combine
>>>>>>>>[ Your contract is acceptable. Please forward briefing
materials and
>>>other details. ]<<<<
>>> -- Static <08:51:01/09-11-58>
>
>
>AAAARGH!!!
>
><Sound of savage ritualistic self-THWAPping>
>
>I could try and pass that off as a deliberate example of what _not_ to
>do, but nobody would believe me.

That's right. We wouldn't. The humble "we" knows better. <grin>

M.
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Message no. 11
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:55:34 +0000
On 12 Sep 97 at 17:13, Paul J. Adam wrote:
[snip included quote]
> AAAARGH!!!
>
> <Sound of savage ritualistic self-THWAPping>
>
> I could try and pass that off as a deliberate example of what _not_ to
> do, but nobody would believe me.
Ah, I would believe you.

Really.

Well, at least I'd lie about it and pretend to believe you :-)

Sascha
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Message no. 12
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:14:47 -0400
I have to say I'm mildly surprised that there are so many idealistic
shadowrunners out there. And slightly disgusted too, but that's a personal
quibble, doesn't need to be discussed here.

Paul, glad you tried to stir things up. If you'd like, I can resurrect and
old PC that would certainly take the job. tDS is still busy and the Wu
Tang clan is...I don't know, but this wouldn't be their flavor. And
Wildsmasher is a decker type...and you know about the Marketeer already.

Shadowrunners with morales...what's this game coming to? ;-)

Erik J.
Message no. 13
From: Michael Broadwater <neon@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:32:23 -0500
At 07:14 PM 8/19/98 -0400, Erik Jameson wrote:
>I have to say I'm mildly surprised that there are so many idealistic
>shadowrunners out there. And slightly disgusted too, but that's a personal
>quibble, doesn't need to be discussed here.

Morals? Hardly. Work for the Humanis once and forever will it haunt your
destiny...

I'm disgusted by people who use "The" as part of their name, but that's me :)


Mike Broadwater
Member of the Blackhand, White Wolf's Official Demo Team
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon/
Message no. 14
From: "Paul J. Adam" <plotd@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:30:55 +0100
In message <3.0.3.16.19980819161738.2177114e@****.fbiz.com>, Erik
Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes
>I have to say I'm mildly surprised that there are so many idealistic
>shadowrunners out there.

I thought it would be amusing. That Auburn HP chapter are damn near
model policlubbers, dedicated to achieving their goals via peaceful
means... but it's amazing how the words "Humanis Policlub" produce a
Pavlovian reaction. Work for a Japanicorp that exiles its metas? Sure,
no problem. Work to protect a peaceful political organisation from
violent extremists? Nope, nohow, no way :)
>
>Paul, glad you tried to stir things up. If you'd like, I can resurrect and
>old PC that would certainly take the job.

I could use the help. Otherwise we'll be down one peaceful policlub,
with all that implies for how the others behave...

>Shadowrunners with morales...what's this game coming to? ;-)

It's always fun to tweak blind prejudice... :)


Actually, Erik, you can claim some credit for all this :) Some things
you told me about tDS eventually kicked some ideas loose.


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Message no. 15
From: Michael Broadwater <neon@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:53:40 -0500
At 12:30 AM 8/20/98 +0100, Paul J. Adam wrote:
>In message <3.0.3.16.19980819161738.2177114e@****.fbiz.com>, Erik
>Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes
>>I have to say I'm mildly surprised that there are so many idealistic
>>shadowrunners out there.
>
>I thought it would be amusing. That Auburn HP chapter are damn near
>model policlubbers, dedicated to achieving their goals via peaceful
>means... but it's amazing how the words "Humanis Policlub" produce a
>Pavlovian reaction. Work for a Japanicorp that exiles its metas? Sure,
>no problem. Work to protect a peaceful political organisation from
>violent extremists? Nope, nohow, no way :)
>>
>>Paul, glad you tried to stir things up. If you'd like, I can resurrect and
>>old PC that would certainly take the job.
>
>I could use the help. Otherwise we'll be down one peaceful policlub,
>with all that implies for how the others behave...
>
>>Shadowrunners with morales...what's this game coming to? ;-)
>
>It's always fun to tweak blind prejudice... :)

I'm curious where you're getting your info on this "peaceful" branch of the
Humanis policlub. Was it in some sourcebook that I missed? I disagree
with the concept that a militant policlub like the Humanis would allows a
peaceful, racially integrated group to use their name. I especially find
it ironic that a group that wishes to split that races apart has a
multi-racial membership.

Basically, I think that if you're going to call them Humanis, you should
run them like the Humanis. If you're going to run them as something other
than the Humanis, then you should call them something else.



Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon/
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Message no. 16
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:17:30 -0400
At 06:32 PM 8/19/98 -0500, you wrote:

>>I have to say I'm mildly surprised that there are so many idealistic
>>shadowrunners out there. And slightly disgusted too, but that's a personal
>>quibble, doesn't need to be discussed here.
>
>Morals? Hardly. Work for the Humanis once and forever will it haunt your
>destiny...

So might working for the Mafia, the Yakuza, either Tir, any megacorps, any
government...

It all depends on who's paying attention and what their stance is. I'm
pesonally quite tired of Humanis as being the dumb redneck thugs of
Shadowrun; they aren't.

Something is going wacky with my website, so I'm going to rebuild the whole
thing from scratch over the next few days, but if you can get to it,
there's an entire section devoted to this very subject.

>I'm disgusted by people who use "The" as part of their name, but that's me
:)

Hey now, play nice...

Erik J.


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Message no. 17
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:17:34 -0400
At 12:30 AM 8/20/98 +0100, you wrote:

>I thought it would be amusing. That Auburn HP chapter are damn near
>model policlubbers, dedicated to achieving their goals via peaceful
>means... but it's amazing how the words "Humanis Policlub" produce a
>Pavlovian reaction. Work for a Japanicorp that exiles its metas? Sure,
>no problem. Work to protect a peaceful political organisation from
>violent extremists? Nope, nohow, no way :)

Pavlovian is right. The Japancorps have probably done more to harm
metahumans than the Humanis folks, but it's okay for people to work for
them...

>>Paul, glad you tried to stir things up. If you'd like, I can resurrect and
>>old PC that would certainly take the job.
>
>I could use the help. Otherwise we'll be down one peaceful policlub,
>with all that implies for how the others behave...

Okay. Anybody out there remember Voodoo Billy? I think that was his name,
it's been years since I've done *anything* with him so I'm not even sure I
remember his name right. A redneck (sort of) houngan.

>Actually, Erik, you can claim some credit for all this :) Some things
>you told me about tDS eventually kicked some ideas loose.

Uh-oh. Don't start blaming me for things! ;-)

Erik J.
Message no. 18
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:17:43 -0400
At 06:53 PM 8/19/98 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm curious where you're getting your info on this "peaceful" branch of the
>Humanis policlub. Was it in some sourcebook that I missed? I disagree
>with the concept that a militant policlub like the Humanis would allows a
>peaceful, racially integrated group to use their name. I especially find
>it ironic that a group that wishes to split that races apart has a
>multi-racial membership.

Multi-racial is pushing things.

But not every Chapter of the Humanis policlub is militant, established in
SR since at least the CalFree book. Some are a bit like the modern day
Lions/Kiwanas/Elks clubs, with a certain racial bias to them.

Erik J.


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Message no. 19
From: Justin Fang <justinf@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:03:49 -0700
Michael Broadwater wrote:
>At 12:30 AM 8/20/98 +0100, Paul J. Adam wrote:
>>I thought it would be amusing. That Auburn HP chapter are damn near
>>model policlubbers, dedicated to achieving their goals via peaceful
>>means...

>I'm curious where you're getting your info on this "peaceful" branch of the
>Humanis policlub. Was it in some sourcebook that I missed?

Well, there was this (ultimately SIGA-arranged) run a while back that led to
moderates gaining control of that branch...

--
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Message no. 20
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:16:09 -0400
Michael Broadwater wrote:

> I'm curious where you're getting your info on this "peaceful" branch of the
> Humanis policlub. Was it in some sourcebook that I missed? I disagree
> with the concept that a militant policlub like the Humanis would allows a
> peaceful, racially integrated group to use their name. I especially find
> it ironic that a group that wishes to split that races apart has a
> multi-racial membership.
>
> Basically, I think that if you're going to call them Humanis, you should
> run them like the Humanis. If you're going to run them as something other
> than the Humanis, then you should call them something else.


I think it's rather like the Ku Klux Klan, which has both peaceful and
militant branches, under the same name...It DOES happen.

Anyway, I think I'll toss in one of my background characters to help you
out. I've been waiting for a chance to let Reese out to shake things
up...Ironically, she IS an elf. WHo's had her ears cropped to look
human...



--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

Behold the mighty sonic scream of the Jett!

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Message no. 21
From: Jhary-a-Conel <Jhary-a-Conel@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:31:13 +0200
On 19 Aug 98, at 18:53, Michael Broadwater wrote:
[snip]
> >>Shadowrunners with morales...what's this game coming to? ;-)
Well... do we still talk about the game that sets up Karma
punishments for amoralic behaviour? I was quite happy to find things
changed in "Predator and Prey", though :-) (not that I _ever_ cared
about the suggested Karma awards in modules....)

> >It's always fun to tweak blind prejudice... :)
Dunno... somehow I think I do like the way you run Shadowrun. The
shadows are a place of grey tones, not black and white stereotypes.
From the hard-working, family-loving ork wageslave (giving fantasy
gamers a real headache... :-) to gun-slining para-medics, rescuing
only those who payed up their bll...

> I'm curious where you're getting your info on this "peaceful" branch of
> the Humanis policlub. Was it in some sourcebook that I missed? I
> disagree with the concept that a militant policlub like the Humanis would
> allows a peaceful, racially integrated group to use their name. I
> especially find it ironic that a group that wishes to split that races
> apart has a multi-racial membership.
Where did you get the impression Humanis was an militant policlub?
The only reference I can see there is to Alamo 20K, and even that
one is vague - "Terry Smith, a metahuman rights activist and head of
Mothers of Metahumans (MOM), has denounced Humanis as an arm
of the shadowy Alamo 20,000, in a series of paid advertisments in
major dailies." (SR2, p. 29) It is also said it "has built a major
following that cuts across economic, social, and political divisions."
(same) Sorry, I would assume that means they are quite publically
reachable - which would not be possible with a policlub that generally
acts violently.

> Basically, I think that if you're going to call them Humanis, you should
> run them like the Humanis. If you're going to run them as something other
> than the Humanis, then you should call them something else.
Basically, I think NPCs, and organisations of NPCs, are humans
(well... _meta_humans :-) and thus should have more depth then an
**&* goblin who's only aim in life seems to be to be slaughtered by
"heros". NPCs are limited by laws as are PCs, they have own
agendas, and not everyone talking about "homogenous societies" will
torch houses (you may decide wether I talk about SR or RL). We
are not bound to like this ideas (I don't), but there are more shades of
grey to human nature then a glance could reveal.

I like the plot-idea, especially as Paul shows he can do much more
then recite military abbrevitations to impress us pacifists (well... not
military trained might describe it better :-)


Jhary
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Message no. 22
From: "Paul J. Adam" <plotd@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:00:10 +0100
In message <3.0.3.16.19980819171609.22df2176@****.fbiz.com>, Erik
Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes
>Multi-racial is pushing things.

Note that Grant gives no statistics :)

>But not every Chapter of the Humanis policlub is militant, established in
>SR since at least the CalFree book. Some are a bit like the modern day
>Lions/Kiwanas/Elks clubs, with a certain racial bias to them.
>
>Erik J.
>
>
>http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
>The Reality Check for a Fictional World

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Message no. 23
From: "Paul J. Adam" <plotd@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:10:19 +0100
In message <3.0.32.19980819185338.007f6940@******.backbone.olemiss.edu>,
Michael Broadwater <neon@*******.EDU> writes
>At 12:30 AM 8/20/98 +0100, Paul J. Adam wrote:

>I'm curious where you're getting your info on this "peaceful" branch of the
>Humanis policlub. Was it in some sourcebook that I missed? I disagree
>with the concept that a militant policlub like the Humanis would allows a
>peaceful, racially integrated group to use their name.

Humanis Policlub is a political movement, not a terrorist movement. Yes,
it's widely known or suspected that they have links to - may even be
outright sponsors of - violent groups like Alamos 20,000, but they are
an open, legitimate political organisation.

A real-world example would be Sinn Fein.

>I especially find
>it ironic that a group that wishes to split that races apart has a
>multi-racial membership.

They surely do. Out of a membership list of several thousand, you can
count some metahumans. You won't need both hands... but they have
metahuman members, therefore they are multiracial.


>Basically, I think that if you're going to call them Humanis, you should
>run them like the Humanis.

SR2, page 29. Humanis are _not_ all skinheads shambling about with a
swastika flag in one hand and a Molotov cocktail in the other, muttering
incoherently about how the only good trog is a dead trog.


--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 24
From: Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:10 -0700
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Paul J. Adam wrote:

> Humanis Policlub is a political movement, not a terrorist movement. Yes,
> it's widely known or suspected that they have links to - may even be
> outright sponsors of - violent groups like Alamos 20,000, but they are
> an open, legitimate political organisation.
>
> A real-world example would be Sinn Fein.

I am curious if you were using the recent bombing in Omagh as an
inspiration for this.

Sinn Fein is precicely the kind of organisation that I was picturing in
this instance. They want a unified Ireland free of British rule, but are
seen to be trying to bring it about through peaceful and political means,
but are closely associated with the IRA, which has used terrorist tactics
in the past. And similar to the "Real IRA" you have Humanis, then Alamos
20K which seems to be almost a figure-head at this point, and then you
have the more militant extreemists on the street, the "skinheads shambling
with a swastika and a Molotov cocktail" as described below.

> >I especially find
> >it ironic that a group that wishes to split that races apart has a
> >multi-racial membership.
>
> They surely do. Out of a membership list of several thousand, you can
> count some metahumans. You won't need both hands... but they have
> metahuman members, therefore they are multiracial.

It is less ironic than you might think, as it is a case of art imitating
life. There are a small number of organizations for African Americans
that wish to bring about racial isolation, especially starting with
schools, with the thought that it would remove the influence of racism.
In their logic, the fight for racial integration has served to increase
tensions and hatred between the races, and so they would see it undone.
In my estimation, they seem to be rationalizing ghettoization as
desirable, but then, they would probably consider my European heritage
reason enough to not have a valid opinion on the subject.

> >Basically, I think that if you're going to call them Humanis, you should
> >run them like the Humanis.
>
> SR2, page 29. Humanis are _not_ all skinheads shambling about with a
> swastika flag in one hand and a Molotov cocktail in the other, muttering
> incoherently about how the only good trog is a dead trog.

Beyond that, they wouldn't exist long as a political institution if that
is all that they were. I figure that their archatypical Human Supremacist
character in the "Contacts" section gives a rather strong negative
impression of such organizations, but they can't all be like that or they
would not be able to gather significant support. Even if people agree
with the intent, extreme methods will quickly alienate a group from
influential support.

--My two yen

Jeff
Message no. 25
From: "Paul J. Adam" <plotd@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:36:19 +0100
In message <Pine.HPP.3.96.980820121830.21425A-100000@*****.ugcs.caltech.
edu>, Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU> writes
>On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Paul J. Adam wrote:
>> Humanis Policlub is a political movement, not a terrorist movement. Yes,
>> it's widely known or suspected that they have links to - may even be
>> outright sponsors of - violent groups like Alamos 20,000, but they are
>> an open, legitimate political organisation.
>>
>> A real-world example would be Sinn Fein.
>
>I am curious if you were using the recent bombing in Omagh as an
>inspiration for this.

Actually, no, but it's an excellent example.

>Sinn Fein is precicely the kind of organisation that I was picturing in
>this instance. They want a unified Ireland free of British rule, but are
>seen to be trying to bring it about through peaceful and political means,
>but are closely associated with the IRA, which has used terrorist tactics
>in the past.

The _Provisional_ IRA, which split off from the "original IRA" some
years ago. The Irish Republican Army, which was a heavily socialist
organisation, renounced violence and renamed itself the Worker's Party,
and still exist. Then, since the ceasefure, breakaway factions like
Continuity IRA and Real IRA have decided that only armed might will
achieve their aims.

And that's before you get into INLA and other nationalist groups...


Basically, from a distance all racist groups are "Humanis terrorists".
In reality, look closer and they're a disparate mass of competing and
only rarely co-operating groups.

<Life of Brian mode>
"Are you the Human Purity League?"

"Piss off! We're the League of Human Purity!"
</Life of Brian mode>

--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 26
From: Japestar <japes@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:56:09 +0100
hi ya,

>Basically, from a distance all racist groups are "Humanis terrorists".
>In reality, look closer and they're a disparate mass of competing and
>only rarely co-operating groups.
>
><Life of Brian mode>
>"Are you the Human Purity League?"
>
>"Piss off! We're the League of Human Purity!"
></Life of Brian mode>

Very well said.
I've been looking at the happenings in Ireland over the last year or so and
would love to see all sides put the guns down as guns don't win the
argument.

Coming back to the original situation, several characters I have played
wouldn't have given 2 hoots who was paying and jumped right in and taken the
contract.... Baloo will have to fend for himself for a while.... :-)


Love and light

Mad Hatter aka Japestar aka Jean-Paul

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nebula/1946/
Message no. 27
From: Sean Marshall <methos@****.NET>
Subject: Help Wanted
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:08:52 -0600
I need a couple of sam characters who will provide physical security for a
decker who is going to break into several corporation systems. As far as
the characters will know, at first, it will be for the purpose of data
theft.

In actual fact it wil be for the purpose of planting a virus(destructive, of
course)

The runs will go smooth, and the sams will get paid a good wage. But then
bad things will happen to people as a result of the virus. there will be
deaths involved. None of the sams(of course) And an investigation should
ensue, as the deaths will be traced back to the virus's work.
Message no. 28
From: Sean Marshall <methos@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:15:55 -0600
I should clarify that the deaths will bizarre. The virus is a malicious
thing. the designer made it to do such things as cause overdoses through
medical machines, etc.

Demedici is a closet lunatic. He can look normal, or as normal as most, but
he is a true psychopath

____________________________________________
--------------------------------------------
__&__
/ \
|(o)(o) |_ I Am Homer Of Borg.
C. --- _ ) You Will Be Assimilated.
| |.____| Resistance Is.....
| \____/ Hmmmm...........
/________\ DONUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/__________\

Sean Marshall a.k.a. methos@****.net
Message no. 29
From: Sean Marshall <methos@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:46:55 -0600
Do they still have pacemakers in ShadowRun? On of the things that will be
attacked by DeMedici's virus I was thinking would be the "programing" of the
pacemakers. They would work fine when "tested" but after a certain number
of hours of operation, say 48, they would fail catastrophically. Patients
would die, maker of pacemaker blamed, investigation, discovery of virus,
yada yada yada. Story hook begins.

Anyone see a problem with this line? It would not change any global event,
but would sure cause an uproar, and would definetly introduce my "bad guy"
DeMedici

____________________________________________
--------------------------------------------
__&__
/ \
|(o)(o) |_ I Am Homer Of Borg.
C. --- _ ) You Will Be Assimilated.
| |.____| Resistance Is.....
| \____/ Hmmmm...........
/________\ DONUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/__________\

Sean Marshall a.k.a. methos@****.net
Message no. 30
From: Justin Fang <justinf@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:23:13 -0800
Sean Marshall wrote:

>Do they still have pacemakers in ShadowRun?

I would guess yes, but they'd be less common because in most cases doctors
could either fix what's wrong with your heart or replace it entirely (if
you can afford medical treatment in the first place...)

Note that in a well-funded hospital there's going to be lots and lots of
equipment that has computers in it. In real life, I heard of a case where
a bug in the software of a radiation treatment machine resulted in several
patients getting massive, probably lethal, doses of radiation. No-one
noticed for a while because the patients were all extremely sick already...

--
Justin Fang (justinf@****.caltech.edu)
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Message no. 31
From: Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:25:31 -0800
On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Justin Fang wrote:

> Sean Marshall wrote:
>
> >Do they still have pacemakers in ShadowRun?
>
> I would guess yes, but they'd be less common because in most cases doctors
> could either fix what's wrong with your heart or replace it entirely (if
> you can afford medical treatment in the first place...)
>
> Note that in a well-funded hospital there's going to be lots and lots of
> equipment that has computers in it. In real life, I heard of a case where
> a bug in the software of a radiation treatment machine resulted in several
> patients getting massive, probably lethal, doses of radiation. No-one
> noticed for a while because the patients were all extremely sick already...

Pacemakers are needed when there is a fault in the nervous connection
between the brain and heart controlling its beat frequency (increasing it
during times of stress, slowing when relaxed, etc.) such that the heart
isn't regulated properly, or simply doesn't receive the signal that causes
it to beat. Theoretically, if one could find the location of the damage
and given SR level tech, especially in terms of neurology, it isn't out of
the question the fault could be located and repaired. Replacing the heart
would be prohibitively expensive, let alone difficult, and it wouldn't
necessarily solve the problem. But, actually, a "smart pacemaker" isn't
that bad of an idea. Given tech level and micronization, it is probably a
lot cheaper just to build a tiny pacemaker smart enough to go beyond
existing technology which gives the heart only one steady beat frequency,
but advanced enough to actually regulate the heart frequency like the
brain would (if not more efficiently).

So, actually, in retrospect, your idea is not only insideous, it might be
practical. Especially if the pacemakers were designed to respond to
telemetry queries. I.E. you go in for a checkup, and the doctor just uses
a small transmitter/receiver to find out from the pacemaker how well it
has been performing, whether it needs maintenance, and possibly tweek its
program to better serve the person who is wearing it. I presume there
would probably be safeguards against it, but for plot fiat, I could be
convinced it would have some sort of clock built in to tell it how long it
has been running, and if you say tell it, the next time after *delay* the
person exerts themselves, to crank the bpm up to something over 300, then,
*thwap* instant tachycardia followed by a rather nasty heart attack, since
at that kind of frequency can't pump enough blood.

If you want to get nastier, there is already a working model of an implant
insulin pump that has a little port to keep it filled, and then
auto-injects insulin into your system at timed intervals to keep your
insulin level steady. All kinds of hell would happen if you were to screw
up that programming. Not to mention the other kinds of toys like Justin
mentioned that are inside the hospital, even down to something as simple
as mixing up someone's chart such that they are dosed with the wrong
medicines. That is a fear, now since a lot of hospitals want to move to
"paperless" operation. The overhead in a hospital just for raw paperwork
is astronomical, ad to that the fact that everything has to be stored
until long after the patient has _died_. To the point that some large
hospitals have rented offsite _buildings_ just to house paperwork. Some
doctors offices now, at least are finally able to archive their old
patient files via scanning and data compression into digital format, but
some hospitals are considering going to electronic pads (think the
StarTrek PADD meet the thingie the UPS guys run around with), so you still
have a "paper-trail" complete with signatures on everything under the sun,
as required today, but all the documents are electronic.

--Catch you later

Jeff
Message no. 32
From: Sean Marshall <methos@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:54:33 -0600
testing email
a thousand apologies
plese ignore

Sean Marshall wrote:

> I need a couple of sam characters who will provide physical security for a
> decker who is going to break into several corporation systems. As far as
> the characters will know, at first, it will be for the purpose of data
> theft.
>
> In actual fact it wil be for the purpose of planting a virus(destructive, of
> course)
>
> The runs will go smooth, and the sams will get paid a good wage. But then
> bad things will happen to people as a result of the virus. there will be
> deaths involved. None of the sams(of course) And an investigation should
> ensue, as the deaths will be traced back to the virus's work.
Message no. 33
From: Sean Marshall <methos@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:56:31 -0600
another test and another thousand apologies..

f**^%$ing email program

Sean Marshall wrote:

> I need a couple of sam characters who will provide physical security for a
> decker who is going to break into several corporation systems. As far as
> the characters will know, at first, it will be for the purpose of data
> theft.
>
> In actual fact it wil be for the purpose of planting a virus(destructive, of
> course)
>
> The runs will go smooth, and the sams will get paid a good wage. But then
> bad things will happen to people as a result of the virus. there will be
> deaths involved. None of the sams(of course) And an investigation should
> ensue, as the deaths will be traced back to the virus's work.

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