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From:	Sebastian Hamann <5hamann@**********.UNI-HAMBURG.DE>
Subject:	Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:54:07 +0100

Message no. 1 Hello all,

There are these questions popping into my mind, perhaps somebody cares to
answer them:

1) Is a magican (or shaman) able to astrally perceive if a fence is under
high voltage ??

2) If an ork, who´s got natural lowlight vision, gets some cybereyes
implanted, he looses the ability to perceive that way, is that right ? The
Ork has lowlight vision, because of a greater number of rods (or what ever
it is, what makes the difference in light perception). So no _natural_
eyes, no rods (or ..), so cybereyes and no lowlight anymore, am I right ??

3) Can somebody mail me some names of these nice and cute little
parabeasties. just for the future. I´m sorry I´ve only got the german on=
es,
nut if anyone is interested in these ...

So long,

Sebastian

Sebastian Hamann; 5hamann@**********.uni-hamburg.de

"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way
to factor large prime numbers." -- Bill Gates from "The Road Ahead," p.
265.=

[VGAP: L:+ T:- G:--/--- CT: D:+ R:++ CPv
F7b S++ F P UN:-- N V+ Y+ A++]

From:	Michael Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:56:54 -0600

Message no. 2 1) Is a magican (or shaman) able to astrally perceive if a fence is under
high voltage ??

Can't see why they could.

2) If an ork, who?s got natural lowlight vision, gets some cybereyes
implanted, he looses the ability to perceive that way, is that right ? The
Ork has lowlight vision, because of a greater number of rods (or what ever
it is, what makes the difference in light perception). So no _natural_
eyes, no rods (or ..), so cybereyes and no lowlight anymore, am I right ??

Correct.

I'd answer your third question, but I don't have PANA at school with me.

Michael Broadwater

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From:	Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:32:29 -0800

Message no. 3 On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Michael Broadwater wrote:

> 1) Is a magican (or shaman) able to astrally perceive if a fence is under
> high voltage ??
>
> Can't see why they could.

Huh? They can astrally perceive _through_ a chain link fence, by LOS
rules, if that is what you mean. I don't see how high voltage has
anything to do with it? The original question doesn't make much sense.

> 2) If an ork, who?s got natural lowlight vision, gets some cybereyes
> implanted, he looses the ability to perceive that way, is that right ? The
> Ork has lowlight vision, because of a greater number of rods (or what ever
> it is, what makes the difference in light perception). So no _natural_
> eyes, no rods (or ..), so cybereyes and no lowlight anymore, am I right ??
>
> Correct.

Although it would be pretty unusual for them to get cybereyes _without_
low-light enhancement, and no they don't get a break on essence for that.
But, notably, the "natural" versions of the enhanced senses are invariably
better than cybernetic ones. So, it would be unwise for an ork to have
his eyes plucked out in order to get cybereyes with just lowlight,
although some times the plucking is quite involuntary.

> I'd answer your third question, but I don't have PANA at school with me.

Sorry, don't have one at all. Although, the SRII has a few. Anything in
particular you were looking for?

Mike? What the smeg is this:

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--My two yen

Jeff

From:	Michael Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:51:21 -0600

Message no. 4 Jeffrey Mach [SMTP:mach@****.CALTECH.EDU]

>On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Michael Broadwater wrote:

>> 1) Is a magican (or shaman) able to astrally perceive if a fence is under
>> high voltage ??
>>
>> Can't see why they could.

>Huh? They can astrally perceive _through_ a chain link fence, by LOS
>rules, if that is what you mean. I don't see how high voltage has
>anything to do with it? The original question doesn't make much sense.

The original question makes perfect sense. It wasn't aske if he could see
through the fence. He asked if you could see if the fence was under heavy
voltage (electrified). I said 'no'. Read the question more carefully before you
shoot down my response.

>Mike? What the smeg is this:

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Freaking MSMailer crap. I thought I had that fixed.

Michael Broadwater

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From:	Karl Low <kwil@*********.COM>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:49:48 -0700

Message no. 5 >Mike? What the smeg is this:
>
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>
> Jeff

Funny.. I didn't see whatever it was and I'm using the IE4/Outlook Express
combo.
My guess is it's one of the 26 different ways Microsoft has of tracking
who's using them, snooping on your hard drive, sending subliminal messages,
whatever.

One of those lovely undocumented "features" they're so fond of.
Karl

From:	Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:08:09 -0800

Message no. 6 On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Michael Broadwater wrote:

> Jeffrey Mach [SMTP:mach@****.CALTECH.EDU]
>
> >On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Michael Broadwater wrote:
>
> >> 1) Is a magican (or shaman) able to astrally perceive if a fence is under
> >> high voltage ??
> >>
> >> Can't see why they could.
>
> >Huh? They can astrally perceive _through_ a chain link fence, by LOS
> >rules, if that is what you mean. I don't see how high voltage has
> >anything to do with it? The original question doesn't make much sense.

> The original question makes perfect sense. It wasn't aske if he could
> see through the fence. He asked if you could see if the fence was under
> heavy voltage (electrified). I said 'no'. Read the question more
> carefully before you shoot down my response.

My apologies, and now that I see it the right way, I totally agree.
Yeah...I have been misreading some posts lately, like the one where a
quick read without looking at where the post was being sent made me fall
over laughing. It began: ">>>>>[Achilles sanction Lynch."
(which I took
to be a command and not a declarative) and then went on a tirade about
"him" and "he" being on the receiving end of cruel and unusual
punishment.
By the end I had figured out that it was D'Arkan talking _TO_ Lynch
regarding Haze, but by then, the damage had been done in my mind. =)

> >Mike? What the smeg is this:
>
> >> begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
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> >> end
>
> Freaking MSMailer crap. I thought I had that fixed.
>
> Michael Broadwater
>
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Guess you haven't. Still.

--Catch you later

Jeff

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:40:48 +0000

Message no. 7 In article <002d01bd3686$f6e285c0$5643e4cf@****.cadvision.com>, Karl Low
<kwil@*********.COM> waffled & burbled about Hmm... a question or
two....
>>Mike? What the smeg is this:
>>
>>> begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
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>>> end

>Funny.. I didn't see whatever it was and I'm using the IE4/Outlook Express
>combo.
> My guess is it's one of the 26 different ways Microsoft has of tracking
>who's using them, snooping on your hard drive, sending subliminal messages,
>whatever.

Nope, it's an information file that helps MS OUtlook/IE Mail to
configure itself properly, what normally happens unfortunately, is that
the mail appends a signature automatically, unless that signature is
specified correctly, or pasted in manually, the silly program attaches
the .dat file just for the hell of it. It's part of the
Mime/HTML/RTF/include section. Under Tools Options, it's necessary to
make sure the darn program is set to Plain Text, and disable the auto
include for signature files. dat files are quite important to Windows
and Windows software - they're basically configuration files.

OK, the techie stuff. :)

Tools - Options. Send
Plain Text (checked)
Plain Text (checked)

Settings can be for Mime - /no/ encoding, with the auto
wrap set to 76 characters, and indent to chevron or
prefered whatsit.

Alternatively, it is possible to use Uuencode for
mail - This can also be set through the Text Settings.
Uuencode seems to force Outlook/MSI Mail to use plain
text.

Optional
Include messages in reply (checked)
Optional
Optional
Reply to messages using format sent (disable)
Automatically complete e-mail addresses (disable)

Under Security
Disable the "Digitally Sign all messages", unless there is a
reason to leave it enabled.

When composing a new message, make sure that it is set for Plain Text
under "Format".

That should prevent any includes from attaching themselves to the mails

Hope that helps. :)

--
Dark Avenger -:- http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm -
Unofficial Shadowtk Newbies Guide, Edgerunners Datastore &
Beginnings of the Underseas Sourcebook.
http://freespace.virgin.net/pete.sims/index.htm - Alternative UK Sourcebook
(U/C)

From:	"Brad Shantz (Metro Information Service)" <a-brads@*********.COM>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:51:34 -0800

Message no. 8 Actually, guys, he's not all wrong. Just not all right.

Exchange/Outlook has a setting for "Always reply in RTF format" inside the
address book. It then promptly binary encodes ANY mail going to that
person in RTF (which is text based.....so WHY BINARY ENCODE IT?).

the RTF codes, are stored in the WinMail.dat file.

There is some talk around here that Winmail.dat will go away in Outlook 98.

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Brad
a-brads@*********.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avenger [SMTP:Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 5:41 PM
> To: PLOTD@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: Hmm... a question or two....
>
> In article <002d01bd3686$f6e285c0$5643e4cf@****.cadvision.com>, Karl Low
> <kwil@*********.COM> waffled & burbled about Hmm... a question or
> two....
> >>Mike? What the smeg is this:
> >>
> >>> begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
> >><<SNIP 39 lines of uuencoded crud>>
> >>> end
>
> >Funny.. I didn't see whatever it was and I'm using the IE4/Outlook
> Express
> >combo.
> > My guess is it's one of the 26 different ways Microsoft has of tracking
> >who's using them, snooping on your hard drive, sending subliminal
> messages,
> >whatever.
>
> Nope, it's an information file that helps MS OUtlook/IE Mail to
> configure itself properly, what normally happens unfortunately, is that
> the mail appends a signature automatically, unless that signature is
> specified correctly, or pasted in manually, the silly program attaches
> the .dat file just for the hell of it. It's part of the
> Mime/HTML/RTF/include section. Under Tools Options, it's necessary to
> make sure the darn program is set to Plain Text, and disable the auto
> include for signature files. dat files are quite important to Windows
> and Windows software - they're basically configuration files.
>
> OK, the techie stuff. :)
>
> Tools - Options. Send
> Plain Text (checked)
> Plain Text (checked)
>
> Settings can be for Mime - /no/ encoding, with the auto
> wrap set to 76 characters, and indent to chevron or
> prefered whatsit.
>
> Alternatively, it is possible to use Uuencode for
> mail - This can also be set through the Text Settings.
> Uuencode seems to force Outlook/MSI Mail to use plain
> text.
>
> Optional
> Include messages in reply (checked)
> Optional
> Optional
> Reply to messages using format sent (disable)
> Automatically complete e-mail addresses (disable)
>
>
> Under Security
> Disable the "Digitally Sign all messages", unless there is a
> reason to leave it enabled.
>
>
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From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:03:58 +0000

Message no. 9 In article <25983782061AD111B0800000F86310FE05123754@********
42.dns.microsoft.com>, Brad Shantz (Metro Information Service) <a-
brads@*********.COM> waffled & burbled about Hmm... a question or
two....
>Actually, guys, he's not all wrong. Just not all right.

hehehe. Tell me something I don't know :)

>There is some talk around here that Winmail.dat will go away in Outlook 98.
>
>Straight from the horse's mouth.

It does. I've been Beta testing 98 and it's a lot more solid than
previous versions, along with being a little easier to configure, it's
killed the nasty habit of including stuff the poster doesn't want to
send. Or at least - it appears to have. :)

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From:	Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:20:07 +1200

Message no. 10 >1) Is a magican (or shaman) able to astrally perceive if a fence is under
>high voltage ??
>
>Can't see why they could.

There might be an aura of violent intent, or something along those lines.
Sort of the same way emotional resonances (or whatever the right word is)
can be assensed when looking at a book.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON

From:	"Mark L. Neidengard" <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:18:40 -0800

Message no. 11 According to Jaimie Nicholson:
>There might be an aura of violent intent, or something along those lines.
>Sort of the same way emotional resonances (or whatever the right word is)
>can be assensed when looking at a book.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. A book's emotional resonances (and I'm more than
a little skeptical that this _should_ be intelligible to the people on the
Astral, but that's a separate flamewar) come from an organization of written
concepts as a deliberate form of artistic communication. An electrified piece
of wire has no aesthetic content.
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From:	Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:18:10 +0000

Message no. 12 On 11 Feb 98 at 20:03, Avenger wrote:
[snip winmail.dat (un)reason and hope for better 98-Version]
> It does. I've been Beta testing 98 and it's a lot more solid than
> previous versions, along with being a little easier to configure, it's
> killed the nasty habit of including stuff the poster doesn't want to
> send. Or at least - it appears to have. :)
...says the man using Turnpike *grin*

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From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:57:40 +0000

Message no. 13 In article <m0y2r2I-000V1WC@*******.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>, Sascha
Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE> waffled & burbled about
Hmm... a question or two....
>On 11 Feb 98 at 20:03, Avenger wrote:
>> previous versions, along with being a little easier to configure, it's
>> killed the nasty habit of including stuff the poster doesn't want to
>> send. Or at least - it appears to have. :)
>...says the man using Turnpike *grin*

Yep, you don't seriously think I'd use something like Outlook to post to
the list do you? heheh

I only use dangerous things like that for local mail to people who want
the heavy "pretty" stuff it's capable of.

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From:	Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:41:50 +1200

Message no. 14 >>There might be an aura of violent intent, or something along those lines.
>>Sort of the same way emotional resonances (or whatever the right word is)
>>can be assensed when looking at a book.
>
>Sorry, but I don't buy it. A book's emotional resonances (and I'm more than
>a little skeptical that this _should_ be intelligible to the people on the
>Astral, but that's a separate flamewar)

It's canon though, so what can one do.

>come from an organization of written
>concepts as a deliberate form of artistic communication. An electrified piece
>of wire has no aesthetic content.

Inanimate objects have auras too, and an electric fence is a piece of
equipment designed to hurt people. IMHO that's got to do something to it's
astral appearance. But this is probably a -rn type argument rather than a
plotd one... unless M? Hamman is planning on this having some effect on the
list? As an alternative, the characters could try the test used on farms to
check whether a fence is live - take a piece of slightly damp grass and
touch the fence with it, and the tester gets a minor shock if the fence is
on. That childhood memory might be inaccurate though, I find that I can't
always trust my brain these days.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON

From:	"Mark L. Neidengard" <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Hmm... a question or two....
Date:	Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:34:53 -0800

Message no. 15 According to Jaimie Nicholson:
>Inanimate objects have auras too, and an electric fence is a piece of
>equipment designed to hurt people. IMHO that's got to do something to it's
>astral appearance. But this is probably a -rn type argument rather than a
>plotd one... unless M? Hamman is planning on this having some effect on the
>list?

To be precise with terminology, objects have auras with an 'a' in the sense
that their "shadow" can be seen in the Astral plane. They do not have Auras
with an 'A' because they are, in general, neither alive nor are magically
active.

As far as the "Astral form follows mundane function" argument is concerned, I
have a hard time buying it. What's the difference between a guillotine and a
paper cutter? An electrified fence and an ordinary power line? A garbage
disposal and some nameless piece of fiendish torture apparatus? I suppose if
a player _really_ wants to check they could do an Astral Perception check, but
the target number to see if a fence was electrified would in my view be
quasi-absurd.
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