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Message no. 1
From: Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject: Lying down the sword upon the mantle.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:43:55 MST
I wanted to write one last post on plot-d, before it totally
disappeared. This isn't particularly easy or something I ever
expected to write. I will not be joining you all when you move to
wherever Shadowtk and the rest will go.

It isn't due to work reasons, aside from there being for to much work
to be dedicated to a story. It is more to do with politics. To me,
you don't need a story to be huge, to be entertaining. You need it to
be touching, emotional, and written solidly with a good grasp of what
can "realistically" happen with the given characters. You need to
have a good feel of what the other characters, that aren't your own,
are like. You need to have vision.

I have never been one to greatly go outside the existing rules within
what FASA has published. I have to my knowledge gone outside the
rules once. Nightmare permanently scaring Scarface. As most of you
already know, I like to stay close to game rules. I will from
occasion run NPCs, but for the most part the posting I prefer to do is
with characters that you can legally create from the rules in
Shadowrun and the other things that FASA directly has published.

I noticed several things in the past three years that I have tried my
best to deal with. From fundamental differences in preferences of
story writing, to styles of gaming, and to just how different people
handle things. I am not saying I am perfect. I am not saying I am
holier than thou.

I am merely saying this, and I will pull a reference to something that
someone pointed to me about Maxim for this one (but Brian Angliss
isn't the only conflict of differences that has occurred for me):
What I view as acceptable in a campaign world are vastly different
from others. In my campaign world, if I had an AA corporation, it
would not have an orbital facility. Especially since the only orbital
facilities that I can think of offhand are one owned by Ares and the
other the Zurich-orbital that heads the corporate council. There are
other cases, and to be frank, I didn't even think about the orbital
case until someone else on the list (who will remain nameless) pointed
it out to me off the list.

Now to be fair, I have had a lot of good times on the list, and a lot
of rough times on the list as well. But I think you should all know
something about me. I like finishing stories -- I usually have an
incredible urge to finish a story and give it justice NO MATTER WHAT
IS GOING ON. No matter that I had a friend die. No matter that I had
a ton of exams to prepare for. No matter that I had to take two hours
worth of driving for an interview. No matter that I had no access for
a weekend or more. I always tried to give the stories justice.

This story that I am working on, I have no urge to finish. I know the
outcome of a lot of the different elements already. I know how I
would work about getting the rest, and I have no urge to do any of it.
The last time I gave up a hobby was due to politics, and I believe it
is the same this time.

Too many differences between how I view the FASA created world and how
everyone else views it. And that is the fundamental problem that has
caused me to finally lose interest.

I won't guarantee that this will be the last time I write for a
shadowtk like listserv, or that I won't even rejoin you all later
(assuming I can find you), but merely that right now, I have lost that
basic edge that keep me going all these years.

When Shadowtk and plot-d move, I will not be going with the move. I
want to stress again that it isn't Brian Angliss or anyone else that I
am pinning the blame on for driving me away. I lost my edge. I think
it is due to the politics of everything going on (not just here), but
it is merely my perception of things. What worried me more than
anything else was losing friendships. That was why I left my last
major game-like hobby.

It has been an interesting three plus years. Best of luck to all of
you. I will still have e-mail if you want to keep in touch. As
Doomsday once said, "I just want a peaceful life. A life where I am
happy. I wonder if dat will ever happen."

Take care my friends.

Michael Goldberg
Message no. 2
From: Brad Shantz <bshantz@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Lying down the sword upon the mantle.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:34:19 +0000
Goodbye, Mike. You will be missed.

Well written dismissal, by the way.

Brad
Message no. 3
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lying down the sword upon the mantle.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:38:54 -0500
> I wanted to write one last post on plot-d, before it totally
> disappeared. This isn't particularly easy or something I ever
> expected to write. I will not be joining you all when you move to
> wherever Shadowtk and the rest will go.

It is with some measure of regret that I feel that I must follow Michael
in his decision. I, too, will not be joining you after the move.

> I noticed several things in the past three years that I have tried my
> best to deal with. From fundamental differences in preferences of
> story writing, to styles of gaming, and to just how different people
> handle things. I am not saying I am perfect. I am not saying I am
> holier than thou.
[Much very moving commentary snipped]

This has been my experience also. I am, also, not saying that I am somehow
"better" than everyone else -- as I'm sure some of you remember, my original
characters were not within the bounds of the rules at all. And, yet, I feel
that over the past two years I have created a character, just one, that
truly has a personality. It is for this that I am proud and will treasure
the experiences on this list.

Everything that Michael has said, I was hoping to say. Somehow, he has said
it in a more elegant fashion, one that I could at best approximate.

Enjoy your list.

Gian-Paolo Musumeci
Message no. 4
From: "Mark L. Neidengard" <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lying down the sword upon the mantle.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:28:13 -0700
According to Gian-Paolo Musumeci:
>
> It is with some measure of regret that I feel that I must follow Michael
> in his decision. I, too, will not be joining you after the move.

Have any arrangements been made for the transfer of the cast-list upkeep?
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict
Message no. 5
From: Brad Shantz <bshantz@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Lying down the sword upon the mantle.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:36:13 +0000
Whoa!!! G.P too? You also will be missed.

I'm feeling very melancholy all of a sudden.

Brad
Message no. 6
From: "Thomas W. Craig" <Craigtw1@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Lying down the sword upon the mantle.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:10:47 -0400
Alas, two have been felled with one swipe of the sword.
Tom
Message no. 7
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lying down the sword upon the mantle.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 21:29:52 -0600
**bows his head**

To you both, Mike and GM, I am so very sorry. I cannot help but feel
responsible for your leaving, even though you claim I was not solely at
fault. I thank you for this.

Perhaps I have played too fast and easy with the world we all live in. I
certainly have characters that are not within the standard FASA rules,
but I always felt that they were at least realistic and reasonable. My
true munchkins were retired, with the only exception being AJ. Perhaps
he should have been retired as well....

I have always had a bent toward the "megaplot", and yet the ones I
enjoyed the most are not those. I care far more about my Val plot and
the next party than Maxim right now.

And Maxim.....well, perhaps in my attempt to convert Mil Tech to the Org
to Maxim and remove my chances of using it as a way to let my characters
do anything, I instead created something that let ME do anything I
wanted. And seeing as the world I envision for FASA is wildly divergant
from thiers.....well, we all know the results.

I am sorry that you are both leaving. You will be missed.

To all of the rest of you, I have a request. If there are more of you
who feel as Mike and GM do, about Maxim, or my characters, or anything,
please tell me, either publically on Plot-D(when it gets rebuilt) or
privately. I can't help but feel that I drove two of the longest
residing and best plot writers off the list. I did not wish to, and wish
they would remain. But I have even less of a desire to drive more people
away.

Brian
Message no. 8
From: SCN User <bd042@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: Lying down the sword upon the mantle.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:59:38 -0700
Damn it, do not go gently into that falling signal-to-noise ratio.

an' ye' nae maer be on th' list, I'llabe seein' ye' in hell, but
hopefully nae f'r a good lang time, the good Laird willin'
--Blindside (slipping into that old Black Watch uniform)
Message no. 9
From: MAGECK <YBKB@*****.IUP.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lying down the sword upon the mantle.
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:52:44 -0400
Well I hate to say this, but I as well may be leaving the happy home of the
lists. I however am not leaving for the same reasons as GP and Mark. I am
leaving, as all of you could probably figure out, because of a lack of time to
attend to the list. My time available to make it into the labs has been cut
way down, and as I have no computer, I just can't remain active. My characters
are still plannin on attending the halloween party, and I will be leaving
shortly thereafter. As fer what will become of STREETWOLF and Colice, well he
is going to accept a position In Tir Na Nog as one of the combat mages within
the TRC, and Colice will continue to tour. This is an open invite to everyone
that after I leave the lists, if anyone wishes to mention a tour by Colice or
have the both pay a visit, that is fine. I know that there are still running
plots in which they will be involved(mainly the ongoing Nexus plot, as it
procedes).

It has been fun being here, but I must regret the lack of time to be here.
STREETWOLF and Colice Brightstar bid you Adeou.
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