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Message no. 1
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:49:16 +1200
>*****PRIVATE: Faerie
>>>>>>[I know a LoneStar cop who's short on morals,
[snip cunning plan]

Does anyone think this is too feeble a plan to get into a LoneStar
facility? If it is, I can sort of see how it would be world altering if I
went ahead and said "yes, that succeeds". Anyone got a reason why it should
fail, or something along those lines?

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 2
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:16:22 +0100
In article <v01540b00b20b8485dd1e@[139.80.126.131]>, Jaimie Nicholson
<jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ> writes
>>*****PRIVATE: Faerie
>>>>>>>[I know a LoneStar cop who's short on morals,
>[snip cunning plan]
>
>Does anyone think this is too feeble a plan to get into a LoneStar
>facility? If it is, I can sort of see how it would be world altering if I
>went ahead and said "yes, that succeeds". Anyone got a reason why it should
>fail, or something along those lines?

Why should it fail? I mean, it wouldn't be the first time in history a
so-called secure facility has been raided.

Police stations are not armoured bunkers after all, they have a huge
variety of personnel and people walking through them every day, not too
count the assorted nutters there to report alien kidnappings, Elvis
sightings and escaped pigs in their cellar.

I always find it amusing that people seem to consider Police Stations in
the same way as Military Research Stations.

They aren't.

Spend a day in one, and watch what goes on - there are very few "secure"
areas in a Police Station, and only the larger precincts have secure
evidence storage lockers. I don't mean get arrested to spend time in a
station, but if you have a word with the desk sergeant and let them know
you are researching for a project/report/book whatever, they are usually
very helpful provided you keep out of the way. For those that happen to
have police officers as friends, just ask them. You might be surprised
at what they have to say.

Just a thought.

--
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Message no. 3
From: Brian Angliss <angliss@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:31:56 -0600
> Why should it fail? I mean, it wouldn't be the first time in history a
> so-called secure facility has been raided.

I had a SR group raid Lone Star HQ in Seattle once. They
caught me totally off guard, and Lone Star too. They hacked
into the garage access system, drove a semi with a trailer
full of riggers, and pulled off the single largest police
car theft Lone Star had ever seen.

Brian
Message no. 4
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:43:53 -0400
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Avenger wrote:

<snip comments about plan I don't remember>
->Police stations are not armoured bunkers after all, they have a huge
->variety of personnel and people walking through them every day, not too
->count the assorted nutters there to report alien kidnappings, Elvis
->sightings and escaped pigs in their cellar.
->
->I always find it amusing that people seem to consider Police Stations in
->the same way as Military Research Stations.

Some people haven't seen one. but they're not all glass and paper
either.

->Spend a day in one, and watch what goes on - there are very few "secure"
->areas in a Police Station, and only the larger precincts have secure
->evidence storage lockers. I don't mean get arrested to spend time in a
->station, but if you have a word with the desk sergeant and let them know
->you are researching for a project/report/book whatever, they are usually
->very helpful provided you keep out of the way. For those that happen to
->have police officers as friends, just ask them. You might be surprised
->at what they have to say.

That's today. In 62 years, when guns are carried by 50% (at
least) of the population, and drive-bys are more frequent than anyone
wants to think about, I'm certain the outside of the station house will be
very "beefed" to defelect anything short of an assault cannon or missile
(Barrier rating 7-8, essentially). On the inside? Things might be as lax
as they are now, but there will be minor improvements (like more
bullet-proof glass between the entrance seargent and the people who just
walk in, watcher spirits in the evidence room if the place has even ONE
magician, etc.) It shouldn't be a cake walk, but it won't be like hitting
Lone Star HQ in Austin, either.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 5
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:01:31 -0400
On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Brian Angliss wrote:

->> Why should it fail? I mean, it wouldn't be the first time in history a
->> so-called secure facility has been raided.
->
->I had a SR group raid Lone Star HQ in Seattle once. They
->caught me totally off guard, and Lone Star too. They hacked
->into the garage access system, drove a semi with a trailer
->full of riggers, and pulled off the single largest police
->car theft Lone Star had ever seen.

Too bad there are multiple tracers in every Lone Star registered
vehicle. Unless the characters stole the policepeople's cars.... which is
a different story.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 6
From: Brion David Wauters <bdw8@****.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:48:05 -0700
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:

> Does anyone think this is too feeble a plan to get into a LoneStar
> facility? If it is, I can sort of see how it would be world altering if I
> went ahead and said "yes, that succeeds". Anyone got a reason why it should
> fail, or something along those lines?
>

Well, it would make LS crack down on their own security. Depending on
what was stolen, they might even go as far as random mind probes of
employes. LS would proabably also crack down on the streets in an effort
to get the gear back and to make sure anyone else thought twice before
attempting a similar stunt.

Brion
Message no. 7
From: "Paul J. Adam" <plotd@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:37:48 +0100
In message <v01540b00b20b8485dd1e@[139.80.126.131]>, Jaimie Nicholson
<jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ> writes
>>*****PRIVATE: Faerie
>>>>>>>[I know a LoneStar cop who's short on morals,
>[snip cunning plan]
>
>Does anyone think this is too feeble a plan to get into a LoneStar
>facility? If it is, I can sort of see how it would be world altering if I
>went ahead and said "yes, that succeeds". Anyone got a reason why it should
>fail, or something along those lines?

No, it seems fine. Police stations aren't fortresses, if you make it too
hard to get in and out or to get equipment then response time suffers...

--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 8
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:07:39 +0100
In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980828083824.23338E-
100000@***.freenet.tlh.fl.us>, David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
writes
>On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Avenger wrote:
>
><snip comments about plan I don't remember>
>->count the assorted nutters there to report alien kidnappings, Elvis
>->sightings and escaped pigs in their cellar.
>->
>->I always find it amusing that people seem to consider Police Stations in
>->the same way as Military Research Stations.
>
> Some people haven't seen one. but they're not all glass and paper
>either.

No they're not all paper and glass but they are hardly fortresses.
There is a tremendous amount of people travelling in and out. Not to
mention the multitude of felons that will be dragged in for one crime or
another. Some people may not have seen one, which indicates that these
people do not have access to a TV set (quite possible).

>->very helpful provided you keep out of the way. For those that happen to
>->have police officers as friends, just ask them. You might be surprised
>->at what they have to say.
>
> That's today. In 62 years, when guns are carried by 50% (at
>least) of the population,

And this is a mistake that is frequently made. Guns are carried (or
owned) by more than that amount already, at least according to 1996 FBI
statistics they are.

>and drive-bys are more frequent than anyone
>wants to think about,

Drive by shootings invariably involve one gang hitting members of
another gang, or gang members (and thugs) hitting someone they perceive
as a threat or having insulted them in some fashion. Driving past a
crowd of civilians and pumping rounds into them might be cool for a
sociopath, but gangs have far more important things to do than excite
the local law enforcement into military manoeuvres.

> I'm certain the outside of the station house will be
>very "beefed" to defelect anything short of an assault cannon or missile
>(Barrier rating 7-8, essentially).

See below.
1
>On the inside? Things might be as lax
>as they are now, but there will be minor improvements (like more
>bullet-proof glass between the entrance seargent

Why? he doesn't need it. He's surrounded by armed officers. What will
"more" bullet proof glass achieve? If there is a desk sergeant, and he
is in a reception booth with a sheet of armoured glass (bullet proof)
then why would he/she need "more".

>and the people who just
>walk in, watcher spirits in the evidence room if the place has even ONE
>magician, etc.) It shouldn't be a cake walk, but it won't be like hitting
>Lone Star HQ in Austin, either.

Oh yeah, magic. Yeah... <sigh>
<bites tongue>

Right. Yes, I agree, up to a point. The one thing that must always be
remembered is that no matter how beleaguered the Police are - that
station house is FOR the PEOPLE. OK, if the doors are locked, and gun
ports trained at every perp on the pavement, then nobody gets in, nobody
gets out, and you have Precinct 13 all over the shop.

Precinct houses in or on the borders of the barrens are likely to be
barricaded and well defended. They will also have some protection on
the entrance, such as armoured glass, bars on the windows etc.
Downtown? High class residential areas? I don't flipping well think
so. Having an armoured fortress anywhere does not instil faith or
confidence in the public mind.

The other thing that needs to be remembered is that Lone Star haven't
custom built their precinct and station houses - they inherited them
from the *sacked* Seattle police department.

If the authorities have to gear up and defend against a war - what hope
has the public got - and why bother having them?

Lone Star in Seattle is a PR exersize. They contract for the work,
which means they have to earn the contract. Or Seattle PD, Knight
Errant, whomever - WILL replace them. Building sodding great bunkers in
the city to stop some pissant ganger with a zip gun is not good PR.
Putting cops on the street, quickly /is/. Seriously, how many of your
gangs are armed to the teeth with military weaponry? None of mine are,
and to my knowledge none of those detailed in FASA material have such
items.

In the end, regardless of how much Lone Star might favour the AAA rated
sectors, they are there to protect and serve. The people vote for the
government (city government in this case). If either are seen to be
failing the people - guess what? They change their vote... Why do you
think politics is all about image now - stuff that into the media frenzy
of Shadowrun, and it's a whole new ball game.

On magic... You might play a magic rich game where every Lone Star and
Police Department precinct has strong magical support, but this is not
supported in FASA canon, so you'll excuse me if I ignore that
particular comment.

No, Police Stations are /not/ damp cardboard boxes that everyone and
their grandmother can rip off. But, they are filled with arrested
criminals, policemen, civilian support staff, repair crews, and a whole
gamut of other types. People walk into Police stations to deliver
things, report crimes, give evidence, identify stolen goods, hand in
licence and insurance information and millions of other reasons - some
of them extremely strange.

For an instance of extremely busy and well protected, yet essentially
open, check out the Hoover Building in Washington DC. No armour on
those walls, nope, not an ounce. But, the place is well defended, very
well visited, and extremely busy. People moving in and out all day
long, and not all of them FBI operatives.

The British tried closing down Police Stations and turning them into
fortresses - a closed entrance area with armoured glass. Press a button
to call the desk officer and state your business. This was all to
protect the officers inside from attacks, abuse and terrorist problems.
It didn't work - it isolated the Police from the people who needed them,
the same as patrol cars with no beat cops did the same thing. It became
"us and them" very quickly. Now, crimes might be reported by phone, but
nothing else, and in the main crimes are not as frequently reported as
they once were - leading to an interesting situation in the UK. That
situation is getting worse. In 62 years I have no idea what is likely
to happen, but I do know that things move slowly in this business, and
that they are beginning to change back to how they were. So, in 20
years I expect to see open stations with coppers on the beat again.

Things go in circles.

62 years in some things, like electronics is a long, long time. But for
humanity, legislation and organisations, it is a blink of an eye.

To arbitrarily announce that the outside of a precinct house would
withstand an assault cannon, shows a strangely naive view of building
construction. I very much doubt that precinct houses will be wearing
tank armour in any age. Most stations and precincts are based in city
buildings. It would look very odd indeed to have a brick battleship in
between McDonalds and Woolworths don't you think? Or next to the glory
and grace of city hall?

Some, and only some, those on the edges and within combat zones are
going to be armoured and restricted. Those within the civilised zones?
Nah, they'll be ordinary police stations, with perhaps a beefed
security. However, as is the theme of Shadowrun, just because the
security is good don't mean it's invulnerable to a good plan.

The main problem with increased security comes down to one simple
factor. Time. The tighter the security the longer it takes to get in
and out. Anyone who has fought to either get or keep a contract will be
familiar with time. Lone Star have a contract to honour, within that
contract (IIRC) is a response time average. With tightened security
they cannot guarantee response times. Villains run amok, and the police
are still working their way through the checkpoints, barricades and
security - just to make sure they are who they say they are.


All, of course, in my dismally failed humble opinion.

Humble? How can I be humble? I'm far too perfect to need it. <g>

--
Avenger
http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm
(Newbies Survival Guide to Stk & SR stuff)
http://freespace.virgin.net/p.siems/index.htm
(Shadowrun Culture Shock, and UK Survival Guide)
Message no. 9
From: "Paul J. Adam" <plotd@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 01:21:46 +0100
In message <zMyrgDA7gz51EwTf@*******.demon.co.uk>, Avenger
<Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>100000@***.freenet.tlh.fl.us>, David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
>writes
>> That's today. In 62 years, when guns are carried by 50% (at
>>least) of the population,
>
>And this is a mistake that is frequently made. Guns are carried (or
>owned) by more than that amount already, at least according to 1996 FBI
>statistics they are.

More to the point... you're carrying a (presumably unlicenced) firearm
into a police station? Right...

You might get a weapon into your local cop-shop. You might kill a few
people there. But getting out alive afterwards... now _there's_ a feat.
And even if you do, they got a good, good look at you, and there's _big_
money for the first person to turn you in.

Word gets around. People learn not to shoot at police stations.


For a major station, a few yards of "entrance corridor" between the door
to the street (where the weapon scanner is) and the main body of the
station, with ninety-degree bends at each, is a real help to the
occupants, especially if the Lexan door at the entrance to the main
station occasionally sticks (like when someone with a Big Gun is in the
corridor).

By the time the door unsticks and you come out, a couple of SWAT
troopers have the whole lobby covered with interlocking fields of fire.
You come in to tell the desk cop you found this machinegun in a
dumpster, everyone relaxes. You come out shooting, you're taking
effective fire at once, limiting your ability to massacre innocents let
alone cops behind Lexan.

Plus you can play non-lethal games, like the ever-popular CS gas. Even
with cybereyes that are fairly resistant, most people need to breathe,
and inhaling CS is _very unpleasant_. Even if you're wearing a
respirator, CS is opaque to both visual and most near-IR systems. Better
bring ultrasound... which makes hitting a police station even more
expensive. Where's the payoff?

There are a _lot_ of discreet measures that can be taken to maintain
security. They won't stop a determined adversary, but few things will.




>In the end, regardless of how much Lone Star might favour the AAA rated
>sectors, they are there to protect and serve. The people vote for the
>government (city government in this case). If either are seen to be
>failing the people - guess what? They change their vote... Why do you
>think politics is all about image now - stuff that into the media frenzy
>of Shadowrun, and it's a whole new ball game.

According to FASA's Seattle Sourcebook, Redmond and Puyallup contain a
third of Seattle's eligible voters (nearly a million _citizens_ between
them, before you consider SINless). They might be slums, but no
politician can ignore them. They vote, they want to live without being
burgled, robbed, raped or killed, whoever gets the Metroplex police
contract has to keep them from becoming _too_ discontented.


>On magic... You might play a magic rich game where every Lone Star and
>Police Department precinct has strong magical support, but this is not
>supported in FASA canon, so you'll excuse me if I ignore that
>particular comment.

I won't.

One percent of the population is magically active: one tenth of those
are "full magicians" rather than adepts or unrecognised.

After the UCAS military skims off what it can, and the corporate
recruiters grab every magician they can, and the simsense studios do
their recruiting... how many magicians want to be cops?

Given the endless demands on magical talent, having them waste time
summoning watchers to guard evidence lockers (when those watchers could
be doing something more useful, we've got cameras in the evidence
lockers for Chrissakes!) seems vaguely silly.

>To arbitrarily announce that the outside of a precinct house would
>withstand an assault cannon, shows a strangely naive view of building
>construction.

What _is_ an assault cannon? A bulky but man-portable weapon today will
shoot a lethal projectile through two inches of rolled hardened nickel-
molybdenum steel armour, or two feet of concrete, or so much armoured
glass that transparency is no longer an option.

How much more effective will the weapons 62 years hence be? And while
"armour" may be better, can you afford to make an entire building out of
it?

Show me any municipal building in your home town today that could
withstand - for instance - .50BMG SLAP fire. Yet that's an enhancement
to a weapon and a cartridge already eighty years old.

As Pete says, the wilder reaches of the Barrens will be policed in a
manner resembling Northern Ireland's "bandit country", but most of
Seattle's police stations will be very like those of today.


>The main problem with increased security comes down to one simple
>factor. Time. The tighter the security the longer it takes to get in
>and out. Anyone who has fought to either get or keep a contract will be
>familiar with time. Lone Star have a contract to honour, within that
>contract (IIRC) is a response time average. With tightened security
>they cannot guarantee response times. Villains run amok, and the police
>are still working their way through the checkpoints, barricades and
>security - just to make sure they are who they say they are.

Too true. Murphy #74 - "Make it too hard for the enemy to get in, and
you won't be able to get out."


When the alert comes in, the SWAT team want to run from the ready room
to their vehicles and get underway. Not submit to individual retinal and
cellular identification to allow them into the vehicle garage. They
don't have time for that crap, people are dying while we wait for the
scanner to compare patterns and flash "Access Enabled".

If "the system" gets in their way, then a motivated, capable and honest
SWAT team will circumvent it so they can do their jobs properly, sure
that they can protect their station, their gear, their truck from any
intruders.


Real life example. British warships, especially capital ships, in the
early years of the century had an elaborate system of shutters and
doors, so that a hit on a gun turret couldn't flash down to the
magazine, explode the stored ammunition there, and so destroy the ship.

But that system was so onerous and slow in use, that it crippled the
rate of fire of the warship's guns: so just about every ship in the
Grand Fleet found ways to disable it, because rapid accurate fire was
the _raison d'etre_ of the battleships and battlecruisers.

The Germans had an apparently less effective system, but it didn't
interfere with normal operation much, it was just part of normal turret
drill. And so they didn't cripple it, and so in action - when crews of
teenaged boys were desperately trying to fire as many rounds at the
enemy as possible - they still had flash protection for their magazines.

At Jutland, in 1916, three British capital ships exploded from almost
trivial hits because their flash protection was terribly deficient. High
Seas Fleet capital ships, by comparison, survived terrible poundings,
including turret hits that destroyed comparable British ships.


>All, of course, in my dismally failed humble opinion.
>
>Humble? How can I be humble? I'm far too perfect to need it. <g>

The concept of "Pete Sims" and "humble" in the same sentence is still
boggling my mind :)

--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 10
From: "Paul J. Adam" <plotd@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 01:23:57 +0100
In message <Pine.OSF.3.96.980828090012.23338I-
100000@***.freenet.tlh.fl.us>, David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
writes
> Too bad there are multiple tracers in every Lone Star registered
>vehicle. Unless the characters stole the policepeople's cars.... which is
>a different story.

Multiple tracers? Oh, good. If you can trace them, so can the Bad Guys.

If you have multiple, independent gizmos in every Lone Star car shouting
"Here I am!" then the Bad Guys will _use_ that fact to track where the
nearest Lone Star patrol is.



--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 11
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 02:51:20 +0100
In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980828090012.23338I-
100000@***.freenet.tlh.fl.us>, David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
writes
>On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Brian Angliss wrote:
>->I had a SR group raid Lone Star HQ in Seattle once. They
>->caught me totally off guard, and Lone Star too. They hacked
>->into the garage access system, drove a semi with a trailer
>->full of riggers, and pulled off the single largest police
>->car theft Lone Star had ever seen.
>
> Too bad there are multiple tracers in every Lone Star registered
>vehicle. Unless the characters stole the policepeople's cars.... which is
>a different story.

Having checked through the Lone Star sourcebook, I can't find a
reference to this. Perhaps you could point this poor blind person to
the right page. :)

--
Avenger
http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm
(Newbies Survival Guide to Stk & SR stuff)
http://freespace.virgin.net/p.siems/index.htm
(Shadowrun Culture Shock, and UK Survival Guide)
Message no. 12
From: "Paul J. Adam" <plotd@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:21:35 +0100
In message <Pine.OSF.3.96.980828090012.23338I-
100000@***.freenet.tlh.fl.us>, David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
writes
> Too bad there are multiple tracers in every Lone Star registered
>vehicle.

Great, that means the Bad Guys know where the cops are 24/7...

Not a good idea. If you put tracers on the vehicle so _you_ can find
them, others can too,

--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 13
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:34:00 -0400
On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Avenger wrote:

->In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980828090012.23338I-
->100000@***.freenet.tlh.fl.us>, David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
->writes
->>On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Brian Angliss wrote:
->>->I had a SR group raid Lone Star HQ in Seattle once. They
->>->caught me totally off guard, and Lone Star too. They hacked
->>->into the garage access system, drove a semi with a trailer
->>->full of riggers, and pulled off the single largest police
->>->car theft Lone Star had ever seen.
->>
->> Too bad there are multiple tracers in every Lone Star registered
->>vehicle. Unless the characters stole the policepeople's cars.... which is
->>a different story.
->
->Having checked through the Lone Star sourcebook, I can't find a
->reference to this. Perhaps you could point this poor blind person to
->the right page. :)

Page 29. The internal computer system of Lone Star vehicles. A
decker or frame could quite easily pass through the unlisted LTG, access
the internal cameras, external sensors, and autonav system (which uses
GPS) to know everything about where that vehicle is and is doing unless
the whole computer system is disabled/torn out... the latter of which
would be kind of silly since that's where half of the value of the car is.
And to disable the computer a decker would have had to hack each vehicle.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 14
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:08:00 +0100
In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980901073036.27449A-
100000@***.freenet.tlh.fl.us>, David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
writes
>On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Avenger wrote:
>
>->In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980828090012.23338I-
>->100000@***.freenet.tlh.fl.us>, David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
>->> Too bad there are multiple tracers in every Lone Star registered
>->>vehicle. Unless the characters stole the policepeople's cars.... which is
>->>a different story.
>->
>->Having checked through the Lone Star sourcebook, I can't find a
>->reference to this. Perhaps you could point this poor blind person to
>->the right page. :)
>
> Page 29. The internal computer system of Lone Star vehicles. A
>decker or frame could quite easily pass through the unlisted LTG,

Assuming that they know where it is. Unlisted implies "bloody difficult
to find"... :)

>access
>the internal cameras, external sensors, and autonav system (which uses
>GPS) to know everything about where that vehicle is and is doing unless
>the whole computer system is disabled/torn out... the latter of which
>would be kind of silly since that's where half of the value of the car is.
>And to disable the computer a decker would have had to hack each vehicle.

This details how to access the computer and (AREST) system similar to
that used in modern police cars, along with the extension of an
autopilot but does not mention multiple tracers which are different
entities all together. That a decker/frame can hack through an
/unlisted/ LTG to get into the cars, does not mean that every car can be
found through *tracer* bugs. Sorry, but I would like to know where it
states all Lone Star vehicles are fitted with multiple tracers.

--
Avenger
http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm
(Newbies Survival Guide to Stk & SR stuff)
http://freespace.virgin.net/p.siems/index.htm
(Shadowrun Culture Shock, and UK Survival Guide)
Message no. 15
From: Team ODIN <jhary-a-conel@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Operation
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:32:03 +0200
Sorry,

I had to backdate a post a day. I hope this doesn't pose too much
problems, but real life kept me from sending it in time :-(

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