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From:	Mark L. Neidengard mneideng@****.caltech.edu
Subject:	question
Date:	Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:12:48 -0700 (PDT)

Message no. 1 Paul, could you give us some pointers about what Easy and friends intend to
do about Malone? It seems like they're the sort of folks who probably
figure on settling things themselves, but does the possibility exist of
trying to contract a hit out? If so, I've got someone who's free right
around now... ^_^
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, EE Grad, VLSI. http://keyframe.cjas.org/~mneideng/
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Maigo no Daigakuinsei, Cornell U.
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict

From:	Mark L. Neidengard mneideng@****.caltech.edu
Subject:	question
Date:	Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:12:48 -0700 (PDT)

Message no. 2 Paul, could you give us some pointers about what Easy and friends intend to
do about Malone? It seems like they're the sort of folks who probably
figure on settling things themselves, but does the possibility exist of
trying to contract a hit out? If so, I've got someone who's free right
around now... ^_^
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, EE Grad, VLSI. http://keyframe.cjas.org/~mneideng/
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Maigo no Daigakuinsei, Cornell U.
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict

From:	Jermaine Amaru nimbuswolf@***.net
Subject:	Question
Date:	10 Dec 00 12:36:11 MST

Message no. 3 Hey guys,
I'm getting into Dungeons and Dragons a little and I wondered if you guys knew
about a list similar to this one, but with the D&D theme? Or if you guys
actually have one? Thanks
~Jermaine

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From:	Dan Waisley Dan.Waisley@***.EDU
Subject:	Question
Date:	Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:02:32 -0700

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>Hey guys,
>I'm getting into Dungeons and Dragons a little and I wondered if you guys knew
>about a list similar to this one, but with the D&D theme? Or if you guys
>actually have one? Thanks
>~Jermaine

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From:	Ratinac, Rand (NSW) RRatinac@*****.redcross.org.au
Subject:	Question
Date:	Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:36:54 +1100

Message no. 5 Has anyone here had face-to-face dealings with Zeb's character Aurora?

If so, I need to know if she's pretty or not. :)

The boy himself seems to be out.

Doc'

From:	Ratinac, Rand (NSW) RRatinac@*****.redcross.org.au
Subject:	Question
Date:	Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:39:09 +1100

Message no. 6 Never mind. :)

Doc'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ratinac, Rand (NSW)
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:37 AM
> To: 'plotd@*********.com'
> Subject: Question
>
>
> Has anyone here had face-to-face dealings with Zeb's character Aurora?
>
> If so, I need to know if she's pretty or not. :)
>
> The boy himself seems to be out.
>
> Doc'
>

From:	plotd@*********.com (J. Mach)
Subject:	Question
Date:	Sat Dec 1 00:00:00 2001

Message no. 7 -----Original Message-----
From: Sairys Larkspur <SairysLarkspur@******.com>
To: plotd@*********.com <plotd@*********.com>
Date: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:48 PM
Subject: Question

>Not currently having my books on-hand, and it having been ages since I've
>even leafed thru them...
>
>Does anyone know/recall if The Holy Lance, aka The Spear of Longinus, was
>ever mentioned in any of them?

Spear of Longinus
a.k.a. Lancia Longini, "The Spear of Destiny," and doubtless, others.
The centurion's lance that was reputed to have been thrust into the side
of Jesus while he was dying on the cross and drew forth only water.
Hitler was hot to have it, because of it's reputed ability to ensure
victory to whomever held it (which seems kinda odd given its origins...).
It was one of several artifacts sought by the Nazi's during WW2, which
inspired two the Indiana Jones movies. Some claim it has been found,
while others doubt the authenticity of the corroded spearhead that is
proported to be the Lancia Longini. (Just so we're all on the same page,
here.)

I don't recall it being mentioned specifically in any SR materials. They
tended to shy away from a lot of things that could be directly referenced
to real-world artifacts, and only rarely mentioned large real-world
multinational corporations or major world entities to big to ignore. I
figure the Lancia Longini, along with other such relics, like the Shroud
of Turin and the Holy Grail were considered "off limits." They could have
taken less heat for mentioning such things as the Aztech "calendar wheel"
in Mexico City, but AFAIK, shied away from that as well.

If someone has read of it in canon material, please speak up, but in case
there are no overriding vetoes from corporate, what--pray tell, Ser
Larkspur--do you have in mind? Some sort of relic-hunting expedition or
"reposession" from unrightful ownership? A priori I have no problem with
the concept of some shadowrunners attempting to find the Lance, but I will
let you know ahead that you will get some scrutiny from the "No Worldview
Shattering" Police if you want to say that the Sixth World has somehow
imbued the relic with VAST COSMIC POWER ((R) Disney). (i.e. I'd look
askance if you want the bearer of the relic to be able to fire earth
rending thunderbolts out of their arse.)

On the other hand, well done, I think a story like this could be a lot of
fun in a futuristic Indy Jones sort of way, or even toned down into a
less-mystical, far more intrigue-oriented adventure. I mean, if word got
out people were going after, or had found the real Lance of Longinus, I'm
sure a number of people would be _quite_ interested. Besides the usual
rich underworld "collectors" and power-hungry megacorp execs wondering if
Ol' Adolf may have had something going there, you've got your magi looking
for a mondo weapon focus, and of course, the Vatican. (The Jesuits have
to have something to do besides teach in the Sixth World, and FASA has
alluded as much.)

So, what's your idea? (Roughly, that is, to see if the list is cool with
it. You don't have to give away the whole shebang, but you'll probably
get a lot more help in writing it and characters joining in, if people
like and are comfortable with the basic concept.)

--My two yen

Jeff

P.S. I'm not dead. I've just been lurking until work clears up a bit,
and developing stuff offline.

From:	plotd@*********.com (Sairys Larkspur)
Subject:	Question
Date:	Sat Dec 1 15:35:00 2001

Message no. 8 *c* Thanks Jeff. Not only did you answer me, you also saved me having to do
the brief run-down of the bugger's history, OOC ;)

To be totally honest, I'm not really sure WHAT I'd like to do with it, just
yet. I'm contemplating some things, but want to wait till I'm fully up to
speed on 3rd Ed and the subsequent newer releases, before I set much of
anything in stone. There's so much the rest of the Old Guard had set in
motion with me & mine, when I was still around regularly, eons ago. I'd
really love to resurrect some of it =)

I do know, IF I use it, it's not intended to be a search for the Spear
itself, however. It's more of a plothook, I guess one could say. No saying
it actually IS the Spear itself, anyway *grins and winks*

Consider it a "We've gotta save the whole rakkin' world? Oooh, noooo
pressure..."-sorta plot, on the grand scale to which I had formerly been
accustomed *affects a lofty and mysterious tone, then grins like a kid*

*pokes about for the rest of the troublesome ol' crew* Hear that, guys? Much
hilarity n' mayhem, in the works *WG*

~~ That `Rin-ish type
also not dead, though that may occassionally be up for some manner of debate

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From:	plotd@*********.com (Dan Waisley)
Subject:	Question
Date:	Wed Dec 5 12:00:01 2001

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At 01:34 PM 12/1/2001, you wrote:
>Consider it a "We've gotta save the whole rakkin' world? Oooh, noooo
>pressure..."-sorta plot, on the grand scale to which I had formerly been
>accustomed *affects a lofty and mysterious tone, then grins like a kid*

"We have to save the world? It must be Tuesday"
:)

It may well be a good excuse for coming out of retire meant

>*pokes about for the rest of the troublesome ol' crew*

Hey - that tickles.

> Hear that, guys? Much hilarity n' mayhem, in the works *WG*
>~~ That `Rin-ish type
>also not dead, though that may occassionally be up for some manner of debate

Hilarity n' mayhem - hey thats mah middle name./

Sounds like the old crew needs a reason to come out of retirement and
respectability and back into the shadows.

Nightfox

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"We have to save the world?  It must be
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It may well be a good excuse for coming out of retire meant 
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>*pokes about for the
rest of the troublesome ol' crew*</blockquote> 
Hey - that tickles. 
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite> Hear that, guys?
Much hilarity n' mayhem, in the works *WG* 
~~ That `Rin-ish type 
also not dead, though that may occassionally be up for some manner of
debate</blockquote> 
Hilarity n' mayhem - hey thats mah middle name./ 
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From:	plotd@*******.com (plotd@*******.com)
Subject:	Question
Date:	Wed Dec 5 22:45:00 2001

Message no. 10 The old gang give up their lives of law abiding luxury and return to
scrabbling around in the shadows? I'll belive it when I see it ;)

Brion

From:	plotd@*********.com (Sairys Larkspur)
Subject:	Question
Date:	Fri Nov 30 15:45:01 2001

Message no. 11 Not currently having my books on-hand, and it having been ages since I've
even leafed thru them...

Does anyone know/recall if The Holy Lance, aka The Spear of Longinus, was
ever mentioned in any of them?

~~ The Voice Behind THE Nexus

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From:	Stefan Hahn <HAHN@***.EDU>
Subject:	Question:
Date:	Thu, 7 Apr 1994 23:03:13 -0700

Message no. 12 Exactly what kind of orbital facilities are there at this time and has anyone
ever tried to 'run one? I mean, you'd need heavy corporate support for this
one, but I think it's feasible that 'runners are more competent/resourceful
than many corporate security forces, and some corp might want to use faceless
nobodies for this kind of operation. Let me know (Duck! Carp!) if this is
completely off the wall before I start plotting it out.

WITH ORION'S SWORD THE HUNTER AROSE AND CONQUERED THE WORLD WITH FURY AND GRACE
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From:	Ed Matuskey <MATUSKEY@***.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question:
Date:	Thu, 7 Apr 1994 23:18:17 -0700

Message no. 13 I don't know Stefan......It would be difficult to get a deniable
resource into orbit, it seems to me. This is assuming our presence
in orbital space is only slightly more significant than it is now,
understand, and nothing has ever really stated otherwise. Maybe some
corp researchfacilities or limited factories to produce the really
valuable computer chips or something......

And besides, if you were a runner, would you put your life that much
into a corp, when it could be REAL easy for them to screw you over?
"Thanks Joe Runner for screwing up their research, but I'm afraid
we can't send a shuttle up for you anymore, our budget just got cut."
(And if you say your runner will have backup transportation, I will
personally build my own carp and thwap you! ;>).

I like the idea of 'runners in space, but I don't see it being that
feasible. Think of smuggling someone on board a shuttle today, and
you're probably going to have a pretty good idea of how easy it
would be in 2050. Of course, you can nullify this entire post by
saying that the presence is space is significantly more than it is now.

But you asked for opinions, so you got mine. Rip it to shreds at
your convenience. ;>
-Ed

From:	Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question:
Date:	Fri, 8 Apr 1994 10:23:21 -0500

Message no. 14 Orbital facilities? Interesting idea, but you'd need a _really_ good reason
for any corp to help ya on that one...=)

From:	Necromancer <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question:
Date:	Fri, 8 Apr 1994 10:50:32 -0500

Message no. 15 I know that there are quite a few orbital platforms up there. Ares has at least
two, Fuchi has a few, Aztechnology has some, and I think Shiawase has at least few solar
power stations at least. Assume that most of the big 8 have at least
one platform, and Ares probably has a moonbase for fuel and solar power
generation. Running on a corporate facility would be extremely tough <read the
Zurich-Orbital section in Corporate Shadowfiles and the transportation section
in NAGRL for more information>.

-------------
Steve Hilberg <shilberg@********.uni.uiuc.edu>
aka Jarred Wellsley <Necromancer>
aka Phaeros Lostchilde <Archlich of the Dark Order, High Necromancer
of Zalanthas>
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From:	Mike Goldberg <m_goldberg@**.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question:
Date:	Fri, 8 Apr 1994 13:08:08 -0700

Message no. 16 Actually, I would agree with Ed. The only thing in SR realm suggesting that
we have more presence in space is the Corporate Book. And they say getting
onto the orbitals is for game-purposes is impossible. At least that is how
I read it.

Mike

From:	J Gavigan <csc086@*****.LANCS.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Fri, 8 Apr 1994 21:17:48 +0100

Message no. 17 I think we're agreed on the notion that there is a corporate presence in space
- both and on the moon, and probably on Mars as well... I haven't read the
Corporate Shadowfiles, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I would assume
that there are colonies on both the moon and Mars, albeit mining communities...
Plus, I wouls presume that, on the moon, at least, and probably on Mars as
well, these communities are not just inhabited by miners, but that there is an
entire community - much as if the Renraku Arcology were to be lifted and dumped
on the moon, for example... Getting closer to home, I would think that there
are plenty of space stations and platforms in orbit around Earth in 2055...
Most of this space exploration would have been done by the megacorps, with,
perhaps some, minor UCAS presence, left over from the USA NASA space program...

Looking at the background for it, several works of fiction spring to mind -
the film 'Total Recall', the novel 'Friday' by Robert A. Heinmann (with it's
references to the "Beanstalk"...) and a short-ish novel by Arthur C. Clarke,
called 'Islands in the Sky...

Has anyone else any thoughts on this? Particularly if they've read/seen the
above...

Jackin' out...

Dodger

From:	Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Fri, 8 Apr 1994 19:43:15 -0500

Message no. 18 I think that if some corp's going to have a space station or a colony, you can
bet your entire existence (ass, soul, and all) that they are going to have a
detatchment of armed guards.

Probably with MilSpec (or worse...) weapons. Good chance for a nasty GM to
fry the hell out of his players. Steve, don't get any ideas (*poke*). Anyways,
I know Ares has a lot of presence out there, and some of the others probably
maintain a few space stations or somesuch.

Think about what you could do with a space station, chummers. Think looong and
hard. All the energy you want, straight from the sun and solar panels -- think
about the kind of laser that could drive, for example. Or worse yet, there
have been plans to build a mass driver that would extend around the
circumfrence of the Moon. I'm sorry, folks, but if you think nuclear weapons
are bad, think about what a piece of, say, depleted uranium sheathed in some
sort of highly heat-resistant material (titanium would work, or some kind of
ceramic coating like on the Space Shuttle tiles) could _do_ to the planet. Note
that I did not say "city" but rather "planet." Think about the dust
cloud,
chummers. Can we say nuclear (or mass-driver?) winter? Watch all the plant
life die...

And you thought Seattle's atmosphere was bad.

Dark Angel

From:	Necromancer <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Fri, 8 Apr 1994 22:51:15 -0500

Message no. 19 I would agree with you on all points but the part about Martian
colonies, Dodger. As of now, I don't think there is much profit in a Martian
colonies because of the immense distance from Earth to Mars and I don't think
Mars is all that mineral rich. However, information in Corporate Shadowfiles
seems to point to a rather large corporate presence in orbit, with Zurich-
Orbital being the most important and best protected platform.
There are no references to a lunar colony in any book, but it is a
logical and profitable notion. The moon's soil is rich in hydrogen and
oxygen <and titanium, too> which can be converted to rocket fuel for use in
orbital platforms.
Many of those corporate facilities are probably armed with
antiballistic missiles and megawatt <or giga- or terawatt> lasers for defense,
though the lasers could easily be used to vaporize earthbound targets. If you
want to see the capabilities of a megawatt laser, read the book _Silver_
_Tower_ by Dale Brown. It also shows the capabilities of space-based radar,
ground-based lasers, and antiballistic and ballistic missiles with applications
to orbital platforms.

-------------
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aka Jarred Wellsley <Necromancer>
aka Phaeros Lostchilde <Archlich of the Dark Order, High Necromancer
of Zalanthas>
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From:	Jon W{tte <d88-jwa@****.KTH.SE>
Subject:	Re: Question:
Date:	Sat, 9 Apr 1994 13:48:20 +0200

Message no. 20 I think space precense would be a little more; perhaps a
moon base, and once a moon base is there (say, in 2030) you start
getting regular traffic...

Also, a runner who wants to get down again can rig a really ansty virus
that only he knows how to de-fuse. Or a nuke with genetic
lock and unknown location. Whatever.

Cheers,

/ h+

From:	MAGECK <JVXNSYA@***.BITNET>
Subject:	Question
Date:	Wed, 13 Apr 1994 17:58:37 -0400

Message no. 21 Excuse me but did I miss something on the way of changing the T/D stamps?
Because I never saw anything on switching from the date being 04:13:55 to
04-13-55? Cause I just noticed that all of my posts were different from the
rest of the peoples. Was this included in the FAQ revision that you were
talking about on here, that I had no idea what was going on. I had never
received the original message on teh FAQ revision, my mail somehow got screwed
up for a few messages. If it was, I appologize for the difference and will
correct it for the future.
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"One Dream One Soul One Prize One Goal" | ECKMAN
JVXNSYA@***.grove.iup.edu |
Many deny our existence |We are not just in Tales
And some think we might be there |But we are here
Few truly believe |We are the SIDHE
Reconsider your thoughts |Do not deny
Cause you may be |We are the SIDHE
With one of us right now |
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From:	Brian Rogers <rogers@****.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Question
Date:	Thu, 15 Sep 1994 02:09:47 -0500

Message no. 22 This has nothing to do with plot (plot d has been a little slow
anyway) but I have my listservice set up for digest. USUALLY I will
get a mail message right about 10:30 or 11:00 pm and at that time
I would respond to it. However, right now the time seems to be
sliding. I think I got mail the other day at 5:30 AFM. Granted, I was
still awake at the time but still, I was expecting it earlier.

Anyone have a clue why?
------------------------
This IS plot related:

I havent gotten any information on what the Mrs. V run is supposed
to entail. I (uncharacteristically) accepted a job (mostly because this
is the list server and I wanted to get in on some action) without having nearl
the amount of information that I would normally need before hand.

From:	"Thomas W. Craig" <Craigtw1@***.COM>
Subject:	Question
Date:	Sun, 1 Jan 1995 00:36:57 -0500

Message no. 23 I have been planning on doing something to allow a Shamanic Adept to become a
full Shaman. What I need to know is what would be acceptable to do so. The
way I am doing this (at this time), is to have the Shamanic Adept go on a
quest that has something to do with his totem's attitude and/or spell
bonuses/restrictions. When the quest is completed to the Totem's
satisfaction, the character is a full Shaman; but he might not realize it,
until he attempts to learn a spell outside of his Totem's sphere of
influence.
How about it?
Tom Craig
Ps. I am already in the process of making my Wolf shamanic Adept into a full
shaman; but I can always stop this from happening.

From:	"Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Tue, 3 Jan 1995 22:30:33 -0800

Message no. 24 Thomas W Craig asked:

>I have been planning on doing something to allow a Shamanic Adept to become a
>full Shaman. What I need to know is what would be acceptable to do so. The
>way I am doing this (at this time), is to have the Shamanic Adept go on a
>quest that has something to do with his totem's attitude and/or spell
>bonuses/restrictions. When the quest is completed to the Totem's
>satisfaction, the character is a full Shaman; but he might not realize it,
>until he attempts to learn a spell outside of his Totem's sphere of
>influence.
>How about it?

I have no problem with it. Just make it difficult and entertaining.

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From:	ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.colorado.edu>
Subject:	Question
Date:	Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:44:08 -0700 (MST)

Message no. 25 Did my comments on Mark's corporate stuff get through to people yet?
I've not got my copy yet, and I got a response from someone's Mailer-
Daemon that it got rejected. Now, that doesn't mean that it didn't make
it to Plot-d, becuase it wasn't an itribe mailer-daemon.

But it was really important regarding the nuke plot. I ask that no
further actions be taken until it gets received so that this whole plot
doesn't go ape on everyone(me especially, I'll admit).

Brian

From:	"Mark L. Neidengard" <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:	question
Date:	Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:09:04 -0800

Message no. 26 Haze just struck a nerve with several of my characters with that last post.
How closely guarded are the reports of what became of the schoolgirls that
Haze and the crew abducted from that bus incident? I'm presuming that the
fact they _were_ abducted is public knowledge at the very least... I wanna
post something from Azrael, but I don't want to step on the toes of the
Federal Death Squad(tm) too much in the process =) =) =)
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Grad, VLSI http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/Jack-of-all-Trades, CACR
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	question
Date:	Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:54:02 +0000

Message no. 27 Posted by Mark Neidengard for reasons known only to himself...

>Haze just struck a nerve with several of my characters with that last
>post. How closely guarded are the reports of what became of the
>schoolgirls that Haze and the crew abducted from that bus incident?
>I'm presuming that the fact they _were_ abducted is public knowledge at
>the very least...

That the girls were kidnapped is public knowledge. That would have been
broadcast on the trid. The recovery of the girls alive would be almost
impossible to prevent escaping to the media. The parents and friends,
who would have been interviewed about the situation will be way to happy
and relieved for it to remain a secret. So...

>I wanna post something from Azrael, but I don't want to step on the
>toes of the Federal Death Squad(tm) too much in the process =) =) =)

It's OK, the FDS <tm> will not come and stomp on Azrael. He's not
using any knowledge that would be construed as "player knowledge", so
the game police would also stay away from your door.

The only parts of the case that are kept under wraps, is the location
they were kept in, and the people recovered along with them. Also, the
weapon used is kept relatively quiet. Most of the other details are
pretty much media history.

This is the first "public" acknowledgement that Haze is responsible.
The FBI and SIGA know about it, but that's all. Who, has been kept
pretty quiet.

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From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: question
Date:	Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:10:57 +0000

Message no. 28 In message <199802190409.UAA22616@***.ugcs.caltech.edu>, Mark L.
Neidengard <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU> writes
>Haze just struck a nerve with several of my characters with that last post.
>How closely guarded are the reports of what became of the schoolgirls that
>Haze and the crew abducted from that bus incident? I'm presuming that the
>fact they _were_ abducted is public knowledge at the very least... I wanna
>post something from Azrael, but I don't want to step on the toes of the
>Federal Death Squad(tm) too much in the process =) =) =)

It's known that nine were kidnapped. One has been found alive and
returned to her family. The others are still missing, and are now
supposed dead.

From:	"Mark L. Neidengard" <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:	question
Date:	Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:29:14 -0700

Message no. 29 So, I resubscribed....what do I have to do to get the list to send me a copy
of my own posts?
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"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/Jack-of-all-Trades, CACR
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict

From:	Wraith <wraith@************.COM>
Subject:	Re: question
Date:	Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:47:26 -0500

Message no. 30 -----Original Message-----
From: Mark L. Neidengard <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU>
>So, I resubscribed....what do I have to do to get the list to send me a
copy
>of my own posts?

Send a message to (not the list, the other one, I think the FAQ refers to it
as the Fax line or something :) no subject, first line SET SHADOWTK REPRO.

I believe this is the command (Its the last one I sent to the list server)

Wraith

From:	Jhary-a-Conel <Jhary-a-Conel@***.NET>
Subject:	Re: question
Date:	Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:55:14 +0200

Message no. 31 On 24 Jun 98, at 22:29, Mark L. Neidengard wrote:
> So, I resubscribed....what do I have to do to get the list to send me a
> copy of my own posts?

WB, etc.pp.,
mailto:LISTSERV@********.ITRIBE.NET
Subject: None
Body: info refcard

or Body: help

...what else?

Jhary
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From:	Grifter13 <sids@*********.CA>
Subject:	Question
Date:	Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:53:45 -0800

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From:	Brion David Wauters <bdw8@****.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:06:55 -0700

Message no. 33 On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Grifter13 wrote:

> Okay I don't know anything about the history of vampires in Shadowrun/Earthdawn but I
would like to know if I can have one of the vampires been from the dark-ages. I know this
list is not for this type of question but I can't get on the ShadowRN list and your the
only people I know with knowledge about this. (Read as a sniveling attempt not to get
flamed again :^)
>
> Chris

<hands out flame-retardent jumpsuit and personal anti-carp point defense
system>

Don't worry about it to much. Most of us lack access to the RN list, so
Plot-D sees a fair amount of use as a "Is this okay? Suggestions on
Plots" site. As long as you air any questionable plot/character ideas
first (and you can take friendly criticism) you should be fine.

Brion

From:	"Mark L. Neidengard" <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:11:27 -0800

Message no. 34 According to Brion David Wauters:
>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Grifter13 wrote:
>
>> Okay I don't know anything about the history of vampires in Shadowrun/Earthdawn
but I would like to know if I can have one of the vampires been from the dark-ages. I
know this list is not for this type of question but I can't get on the ShadowRN list and
your the only people I know with knowledge about this. (Read as a sniveling attempt not
to get flamed again :^)
><hands out flame-retardent jumpsuit and personal anti-carp point defense
>system>

One word: Nomex. ^_^

As for a vampire from the Dark Ages...can you offer us a convincing explanation
of how any vampire could be active enough to create progeny in the middle of
the low Mana period? It is the fundamental lack of Mana that limits _all_
supernatural phenomena during the entire span since the Fourth World. Of
course, there is enough weirdness with places like the Aztec pyramids and
Easter Island and such that I suppose it is not inconceivable that certain
areas could have had _slightly_ higher concentrations of Mana than others...

The ball is in your court. ^_^
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Grad, VLSI. http://psy-s.cjas.org/~mneideng/
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Maigo no Daigakuinsei, Cornell U.
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict

From:	Grifter13 <sids@*********.CA>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:11:33 -0800

Message no. 35 -----Original Message-----
From: Mark L. Neidengard <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU>
To: PLOTD@********.ITRIBE.NET <PLOTD@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Question

Lots o' snippin a tuckin in this one

>According to Brion David Wauters:
>>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Grifter13 wrote:
>>
>>> Okay I don't know anything about the history of vampires in
Shadowrun/Earthdawn but I would like to know if I can have one of the
vampires been from the dark-ages.

>As for a vampire from the Dark Ages...can you offer us a convincing
explanation
>of how any vampire could be active enough to create progeny in the middle
>of the low Mana period?
>The ball is in your court. ^_^
>--

How 'bout this, the person gets attacked and infected with HMHVV in 2031.
Being unable to cope with the reality of his situation he takes on the
persona and history of a fictional character from a movie or book. Thus in
his reality he became a vampire during the dark-ages, Lorded over a village
in England. Unfortunately the good villagers rose against him, and killed
him, or so he thought. Then in 2031 he was reborn in a new body and ready
to take on the world. This way I can give him the character traits that I
want, (maybe a split personality too) and have him be afraid of the church
and harmed by the cross. And plus I can make him wear those puffy shirts,
talk in a really bad accent and generally act like he has just walked out of
a B movie.

Think it would work? I promise not to make it as silly as it sounds ;^)

Chris

From:	"Mark L. Neidengard" <mneideng@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:20:24 -0800

Message no. 36 >>>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Grifter13 wrote:
>>>> Okay I don't know anything about the history of vampires in
>>>>Shadowrun/Earthdawn but I would like to know if I can have one of the
>>>>vampires been from the dark-ages.

I wrote:
>>As for a vampire from the Dark Ages...can you offer us a convincing
>explanation
>>of how any vampire could be active enough to create progeny in the middle
>>of the low Mana period?
>>The ball is in your court. ^_^

According to Grifter13:
>How 'bout this, the person gets attacked and infected with HMHVV in 2031.
>Being unable to cope with the reality of his situation he takes on the
>persona and history of a fictional character from a movie or book. Thus in
>his reality he became a vampire during the dark-ages, Lorded over a village
>in England. Unfortunately the good villagers rose against him, and killed
>him, or so he thought. Then in 2031 he was reborn in a new body and ready
>to take on the world. This way I can give him the character traits that I
>want, (maybe a split personality too) and have him be afraid of the church
>and harmed by the cross. And plus I can make him wear those puffy shirts,
>talk in a really bad accent and generally act like he has just walked out of
>a B movie.

_Awesome_! Now _this_ is an idea I can wholeheartedly support. Maa, how
long or short this character's life is is up to how well he meshes with life,
but as a starting point this has a lot of very nice possibilities. ^_^

>Think it would work? I promise not to make it as silly as it sounds ;^)

I'm with it. ^_^
--
/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Grad, VLSI. http://psy-s.cjas.org/~mneideng/
"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Maigo no Daigakuinsei, Cornell U.
"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark
Elves!"
-Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <plotd@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:11:57 +0000

Message no. 37 In message <001901be1f1a$ab09a7a0$4cdfacce@********>, Grifter13
<sids@*********.CA> writes
>How 'bout this, the person gets attacked and infected with HMHVV in 2031.
>Being unable to cope with the reality of his situation he takes on the
>persona and history of a fictional character from a movie or book.

Bingo! I've got something vaguely similar going at the moment. In our RL
game, we have a lot of Call of Cthulhu-type elements, and 'the Doctor'
wasn't just a bad guy, he was an avatar of Nyarlathotep :)

Here on ShadowTK, he could be that, or he could be just a crazed Elf
with serious delusions and more magical power than is good for him. That
way, listmembers who like tbe CthulhuPunk angle can join in, and those
who despise it can safely ignore it.

Ditto, my mad Coyote shaman Quinn thinks she's immortal, and that she's
spent some time astrally projecting in outer space. She could be right.
She could just be insane. She could be right _and_ insane. Or maybe
she's just lying :)

> Thus in
>his reality he became a vampire during the dark-ages, Lorded over a village
>in England. Unfortunately the good villagers rose against him, and killed
>him, or so he thought. Then in 2031 he was reborn in a new body and ready
>to take on the world. This way I can give him the character traits that I
>want, (maybe a split personality too) and have him be afraid of the church
>and harmed by the cross. And plus I can make him wear those puffy shirts,
>talk in a really bad accent and generally act like he has just walked out of
>a B movie.
>
>Think it would work? I promise not to make it as silly as it sounds ;^)

Doesn't sound silly at all. What the character _is_, is less important
than what he _believes_ he is. After all, if he really _was_ a Dark
Ages-era vampire, would he be any more powerful or capable than a
'current' vamp? Less so, by your account (if he flinches from a
crucifix, burns from holy water the way a human does from RFNA, et
cetera... Shadowrun vampires don't do that).

Makes him more interesting to be around. And I _like_ the idea of
insanity caused by the shock of becoming a nightwalking bloodsucker.

He _believes_ he's been here since the 1200s, and he either remembers
that time or he has delusions about it. Are _you_ going to work out
which?

My vote says, go for it, this could be interesting.

--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk

From:	Brion David Wauters <bdw8@****.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:46:33 -0700

Message no. 38 On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Grifter13 wrote:

> Think it would work? I promise not to make it as silly as it sounds ;^)
>

Actually, maybe you should keep it silly. A powerful bad guy who looks
and acts like a complete goof (while still being a considerable threat)
has alot of potential.

Brion

From:	Chickenman <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:20:45 +1300

Message no. 39 >Bingo! I've got something vaguely similar going at the moment. In our RL
>game, we have a lot of Call of Cthulhu-type elements, and 'the Doctor'
>wasn't just a bad guy, he was an avatar of Nyarlathotep :)
>
>Here on ShadowTK, he could be that, or he could be just a crazed Elf
>with serious delusions and more magical power than is good for him. That
>way, listmembers who like tbe CthulhuPunk angle can join in, and those
>who despise it can safely ignore it.

Likewise Faerie and her Goddess... you can get away with a hell of a lot by
saying that X _thinks_ it's true, and never confirming anything.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON

From:	Brion David Wauters <bdw8@****.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Question
Date:	Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:22:07 -0700

Message no. 40 On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Chickenman wrote:

> >Bingo! I've got something vaguely similar going at the moment. In our RL
> >game, we have a lot of Call of Cthulhu-type elements, and 'the Doctor'
> >wasn't just a bad guy, he was an avatar of Nyarlathotep :)

Snipus

> Likewise Faerie and her Goddess... you can get away with a hell of a lot by
> saying that X _thinks_ it's true, and never confirming anything.

As if things weren't twisted enough around here all ready....

Brion

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