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Message no. 1
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: State of emergency
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:29:08 +1300
Only american players will know the answer to this... in the USA, is it the
president who declares a state of emergency? If not, who can? And can
anyone else?

And who is the current president up in shadowrun time?
Message no. 2
From: Brad Shantz <BradS@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:39:54 -0800
Yes, the president is the only one who can declare a state of emergency
at a national level.

Current president? Sage Stallone?

Brad


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> Nicholson[SMTP:jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ]
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>
> Only american players will know the answer to this... in the USA, is
> it the
> president who declares a state of emergency? If not, who can? And can
> anyone else?
>
> And who is the current president up in shadowrun time?
>
Message no. 3
From: Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: State of emergency
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:38:12 MST
No idea on who the current President is, but declaring the UCAS or CAS
in a state of emergency is a pretty global thing to do. Sort of along
the lines of assassinating the pope. I would hope, if you are going
to do it, that you have one hell of a good story to back it all up.

Just my 2 cranky Yen.

Mike (Coming down off a vicious caffeine high).


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Yes, the president is the only one who can declare a state of emergency
at a national level.

Current president? Sage Stallone?

Brad


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> From: ShadowTk Plot and Administrative
> Discussion[SMTP:PLOTD@********.itribe.net] on behalf of Jaimie
> Nicholson[SMTP:jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ]
> Reply To: ShadowTk Plot and Administrative Discussion
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 1997 6:29 AM
> To: PLOTD@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: State of emergency
>
> Only american players will know the answer to this... in the USA, is
> it the
> president who declares a state of emergency? If not, who can? And can
> anyone else?
>
> And who is the current president up in shadowrun time?
>
Message no. 4
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:48:18 EST
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:39:54 -0800 Brad Shantz <BradS@*********.COM>
writes:
>Yes, the president is the only one who can declare a state of
>emergency
>at a national level.
>
>Current president? Sage Stallone?
>
-------
I would guess the current president is Hillary Clinton. but what I do I
know?


Gweedo the Killer Pimp strikes again!
Message no. 5
From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:03:49 -0800
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Brad Shantz wrote:

> Yes, the president is the only one who can declare a state of emergency
> at a national level.
>
> Current president? Sage Stallone?
>
> Brad
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:
> >
> > Only american players will know the answer to this... in the USA, is
> > it the
> > president who declares a state of emergency? If not, who can? And can
> > anyone else?
> >
> > And who is the current president up in shadowrun time?

Can't remember the name offhand, anybody have (or seen lately) the _Super
Tuesday_ sourcebook? I don't think it was Stallone, and Mrs. Clinton
would be dead by 2058 (or at least we can hope). Duklezahn got himself
elected, then assasinated. His VP would now be president. I think the
guy had some sort of ties to a corp, but I don't fully remember. That's
of course if you are asking about the UCAS (which Seattle is part of).

As for a state of emergency, the scope of the state is basically dependant
on the scope of the power of the executive calling it. I believe that
governors can call a state of emergency in their own respective states. I
figure something similar on down. Also, depends on what you want to do.
To call a place a "Federal Disaster Area" and entitle yourself to getting
some of the disaster relief money from the feds, it has to be declared by
Congress or the President. Also, a mayor declaring a state of emergency
in a city doesn't have the power to say, call out the national guard,
which the President does.

I would have to agree with Mike though. It isn't something you do
lightly, and there better be a good reason for it. (i.e. You go to plotd
and everybody agrees that the South [now the CAS] is about due for another
hurricane, but this ones going to be a real monster.)

--My two yen

Jeff
Message no. 6
From: Brad Shantz <BradS@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:15:19 -0800
In sizxty years, she might be a little old. Wel,, at that point, she'd
probably be just as good as her husband....

oops...sorry, I didn';t really mean to say that.,

Brad


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>
> On Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:39:54 -0800 Brad Shantz <BradS@*********.COM>
> writes:
> >Yes, the president is the only one who can declare a state of
> >emergency
> >at a national level.
> >
> >Current president? Sage Stallone?
> >
> -------
> I would guess the current president is Hillary Clinton. but what I do
> I
> know?
>
>
> Gweedo the Killer Pimp strikes again!
>
Message no. 7
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:30:13 +1200
>Also, a mayor declaring a state of emergency
>in a city doesn't have the power to say, call out the national guard,
>which the President does.

Can Schultz call out the guard in Seattle? That's the main reason.

>I would have to agree with Mike though. It isn't something you do
>lightly, and there better be a good reason for it. (i.e. You go to plotd
>and everybody agrees that the South [now the CAS] is about due for another
>hurricane, but this ones going to be a real monster.)

I mean more of a military emergency... some heavy corp conflict between two
of the megas.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 8
From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:05:13 -0800
On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:

> Can Schultz call out the guard in Seattle? That's the main reason.

Now it's important to remember the UCAS isn't the USA and that there
really is no precedent for something like the city-states of Seattle and
Denver. It would seem that there is probably something like the Seattle
National Guard that can be called up in case Tir Tairgire or the NAN makes
a move on it without having to get federal approval. It would only seem
prudent.

> I mean more of a military emergency... some heavy corp conflict between two
> of the megas.

Okay, now you set off my bells and whistles. Any time the Big 8 want to
duke it out big enough to need to call out the guard is cause for major
world-view changes and is probably getting into the realm of too hot to
handle for this list. On the guard issue, there is a such thing that the
creators of Shadowrun wrote into their worldview called corporate
extraterritoriality meaning: if Fuchi and Aztech want to conduct carpet
bombing on each other's arcologies, as long as they obey the law in
Seattle (file legitimate flight plans, etc.), Seattle has no right to
intervene. Another thing to consider: conducting open warfare in the
streets is un-economical, not to mention _very_ bad for business. ("When
you think of dead, innocent civilians, think Saeder-Krupp!") That's why
shadowrunning was invented in the first place: so they can stick it to
each other in a safe, disposable, deniable, and cost-effective way. When
they want to shoot at each other they take it to Desert Wars (although
since I have never heard differently, I have always been under the
assumption that Desert Wars used non-lethal ammo, since blowing up
equipment gets rather expensive in short order).

Also, I happen to have characters involved in or around one of the megas.
If you plan on leaving their place of business a smoking crater with or
without them in it, I would like to have some say. I also figure there
would be others who would be, shall we say, disgruntled if you suddenly
had their favorite section of town leveled.

Since this matter is a lot more relevant to a discussion on plotd than
whether or not Shultz can call out the guard, tell us what your idea is.
If it seems to be too grandiose, I am sure we can all figure out a way to
prune it back such that you get to tell the story you want to tell, and
the rest of us don't get our toes stomped on.

--My two yen

Jeff
Message no. 9
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:47:58 -0500
The UCAS president in 2058 is Kyle Haeffner - Dunkelzhan's running mate who
got the spot after the Big D blew up.
<That really shouldn't be a spoiler by now>

VP is Nadia Davier, Dunk's former spoksperson.

BTW, KH is rumored to be a closr personal friend of Damien Knight, and has
plenty of ties to Ares according to the Dunkelzhan's Secrets book, and
FASA's web page.

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com./users/bluewizard
"But I don't have any skin!"
Message no. 10
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:08:48 +1300
>> I mean more of a military emergency... some heavy corp conflict between two
>> of the megas.
>
>Okay, now you set off my bells and whistles. Any time the Big 8 want to
>duke it out big enough to need to call out the guard is cause for major
>world-view changes and is probably getting into the realm of too hot to
>handle for this list. On the guard issue, there is a such thing that the
>creators of Shadowrun wrote into their worldview called corporate
>extraterritoriality meaning: if Fuchi and Aztech want to conduct carpet
>bombing on each other's arcologies, as long as they obey the law in
>Seattle (file legitimate flight plans, etc.), Seattle has no right to
>intervene. Another thing to consider: conducting open warfare in the
>streets is un-economical, not to mention _very_ bad for business. ("When
>you think of dead, innocent civilians, think Saeder-Krupp!") That's why
>shadowrunning was invented in the first place: so they can stick it to
>each other in a safe, disposable, deniable, and cost-effective way.

They'll be hiring shadowrunners for a lot of it, and they won't be
advertising the fact that it's them who's doing it.

>When
>they want to shoot at each other they take it to Desert Wars (although
>since I have never heard differently, I have always been under the
>assumption that Desert Wars used non-lethal ammo, since blowing up
>equipment gets rather expensive in short order).

I've seen no information on that, but I got that impression too.

>Also, I happen to have characters involved in or around one of the megas.
>If you plan on leaving their place of business a smoking crater with or
>without them in it, I would like to have some say. I also figure there
>would be others who would be, shall we say, disgruntled if you suddenly
>had their favorite section of town leveled.

Only one section of town should be levelled. Two, tops. :) Honest.

>Since this matter is a lot more relevant to a discussion on plotd than
>whether or not Shultz can call out the guard, tell us what your idea is.
>If it seems to be too grandiose, I am sure we can all figure out a way to
>prune it back such that you get to tell the story you want to tell, and
>the rest of us don't get our toes stomped on.

Hokely dokely... a certain small corp upsets a fairly powerful individual
in the Seattle division of a certain megacorp. Said powerful individual
finds out some more stuff about the little fish, including the fact that it
is an undercover part of a big fish. Said powerful individual starts to
have little fish eliminated, and the big fish behind little fish tries to
prevent the elimination. Shadowrunners and gangers run wild in the streets,
clashing with each other and assorted corp or LoneStar teams. One thing
leads to another, and there is a fairly large-scale shoot-out at the last
surviving facility belonging to little fish. This battle is broken up when
the feds intervene. The attacking corp backs off. Heads roll at the
management levels, arrests are made, everyone says they're sorry (backing
it up with cash settlements), and it's back to business as usual. The whole
thing is over in less than 24 hours.

On another matter...

>Steven A. Tinner
>...
>"But I don't have any skin!"

Could you explain that last line?

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 11
From: Justin Fang <justinf@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:21:31 -0800
Jaimie Nicholson wrote:

>>Also, a mayor declaring a state of emergency
>>in a city doesn't have the power to say, call out the national guard,
>>which the President does.

>Can Schultz call out the guard in Seattle? That's the main reason.

Yes, though she'd better have a good reason, and the Metroplex Guard won't
do too well against any real military force.

See SRII, page 272, under "Seattle's Metroplex Guard" for more details:
"The Guard can be activated by either the governor or by executive order of
the city council, though such action must be ratified by the city-state
Congress within 48 hours."

--
Justin Fang (justinf@****.caltech.edu)
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Message no. 12
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:40:02 +0000
|I would guess the current president is Hillary Clinton. but what I do I
|know?

Oh come on....
Hilary Clinton would have to be over 100 years old by now....


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Message no. 13
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:33:02 -0600
At 05:39 PM 3/5/97 -0800, Brad Shantz wrote:
>Yes, the president is the only one who can declare a state of emergency
>at a national level.
>
>Current president? Sage Stallone?
>
>Brad
>
I forget the name, but he's in Portrait of a Dragon. Whoever the Big D's
VP was is now President. That's how the system works.


Mike Broadwater

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them much myself.
They're pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings."
Message no. 14
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:38:04 -0600
At 07:05 PM 3/5/97 -0800, Jeffrey Mach wrote:
>On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:
>
>> Can Schultz call out the guard in Seattle? That's the main reason.
>
>Now it's important to remember the UCAS isn't the USA and that there
>really is no precedent for something like the city-states of Seattle and
>Denver. It would seem that there is probably something like the Seattle
>National Guard that can be called up in case Tir Tairgire or the NAN makes
>a move on it without having to get federal approval. It would only seem
>prudent.

There's info on this in the module "Elven Fire".

<snip "why two mega's shouldn't fight">
Agreed. Add to this that the Corporate Council on Z-O seriously frown on
any obvious fighting between the Big 8.



Mike Broadwater

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them much myself.
They're pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings."
Message no. 15
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:57:05 EST
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:15:19 -0800 Brad Shantz <BradS@*********.COM>
writes:
>In sizxty years, she might be a little old. Wel,, at that point,
>she'd
>probably be just as good as her husband....
>
>oops...sorry, I didn';t really mean to say that.,
>
>Brad
-------
Well, I'm sorry for the Hillary crack for all you Clinton fans out there,
but I though the opportunity couldn't be passed up.


Gweedo the Killer Pimp strikes again!
Message no. 16
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:57:36 +1300
>Yes, though she'd better have a good reason, and the Metroplex Guard won't
>do too well against any real military force.

They'd show the flag though, and they'd be better than just LoneStar.

>See SRII, page 272, under "Seattle's Metroplex Guard" for more details:
>"The Guard can be activated by either the governor or by executive order of
>the city council, though such action must be ratified by the city-state
>Congress within 48 hours."

No ratification would result in what? They all go home again? The Governor
is impeached? Or both?

><snip "why two mega's shouldn't fight">
>Agreed. Add to this that the Corporate Council on Z-O seriously frown on
>any obvious fighting between the Big 8.

That's one of the major reasons why it'll all be over in under 24hrs. A
moment of anger, hasty decisions made, escalation as one thing leads to
another, then the top people drop out of sight and the flunkies just carry
on doing what they were last told to do. Eventually they come to their
senses and stop, especially if the Metroplex Guard and ZO Court tell them
to. It just takes a little time for the orders to go through the channels.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 17
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:26:44 +0000
In message <Pine.SGI.3.95.970305183613.11392F-100000@*****.ugcs.caltech.
edu>, Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU> writes
>Okay, now you set off my bells and whistles. Any time the Big 8 want to
>duke it out big enough to need to call out the guard is cause for major
>world-view changes and is probably getting into the realm of too hot to
>handle for this list. On the guard issue, there is a such thing that the
>creators of Shadowrun wrote into their worldview called corporate
>extraterritoriality meaning: if Fuchi and Aztech want to conduct carpet
>bombing on each other's arcologies, as long as they obey the law in
>Seattle (file legitimate flight plans, etc.), Seattle has no right to
>intervene.

Until the first bomb lands short, or the first SAM comes down in a
tenement building, or a shot-down strike aircraft hits a hospital with
tons of fuel and ordnance aboard...

At that point, it gets rather more tricky, and the UCAS has not only a
right but a duty to take firm action.

My personal take is that this would cause major problems between
corporations and the UCAS, and hence the Corporate Court would rather
ruthlessly act to prevent it from happening in the first place. See my
and Brian Angliss' debates on this subject in January last year for two
viewpoints on the situation :)

--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 18
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:59:37 +0000
In message <199703060521.VAA01226@****.ugcs.caltech.edu>, Justin Fang
<justinf@****.CALTECH.EDU> writes
>Jaimie Nicholson wrote:
>
>>>Also, a mayor declaring a state of emergency
>>>in a city doesn't have the power to say, call out the national guard,
>>>which the President does.
>
>>Can Schultz call out the guard in Seattle? That's the main reason.
>
>Yes, though she'd better have a good reason, and the Metroplex Guard won't
>do too well against any real military force.

THere aren't that many "real military forces" in Seattle that can cope
with a mechanised brigade, mind you, which is what the Guard consists of
according to SRII.

Then you've got the regular Army at Fort Lewis, air power at McChord,
and Navy and Marines from the Pacific Fleet base at Everett, who would
weigh in if any uniformed forces started shooting at the Guard with any
serious effectiveness.

--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 19
From: Justin Fang <justinf@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:47:46 -0800
Paul J. Adam wrote:
>In message <199703060521.VAA01226@****.ugcs.caltech.edu>, Justin Fang
><justinf@****.CALTECH.EDU> writes

>>Yes, though she'd better have a good reason, and the Metroplex Guard won't
>>do too well against any real military force.

>THere aren't that many "real military forces" in Seattle that can cope
>with a mechanised brigade, mind you, which is what the Guard consists of
>according to SRII.

Well, the SRII also claims that "They are equipped with antiquated vehicles
and weapons that are outclassed by the various corporate security and
hireling police forces" (what, Lone Star has bigger guns??) and that they
have "uneven troop quality and morale." That being said, I'll agree with you
that it's a bad idea for a corp to mess with them; outdated equipment or
not, there's several hundred of them. Plus, as you mentioned, their friends.

Jaimie Nicholson wrote:

>>See SRII, page 272, under "Seattle's Metroplex Guard" for more details:
>>"The Guard can be activated by either the governor or by executive order of
>>the city council, though such action must be ratified by the city-state
>>Congress within 48 hours."

>No ratification would result in what? They all go home again? The Governor
>is impeached? Or both?

Oh, sorry. "Should the Congress disapprove of activation, the law provides
for strict penalties against those responsible for the abuse."

--
Justin Fang (justinf@****.caltech.edu)
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Message no. 20
From: Wes Nicholson <wes@********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:12:01 +1100
>><snip "why two mega's shouldn't fight">
>>Agreed. Add to this that the Corporate Council on Z-O seriously frown on
>>any obvious fighting between the Big 8.
>
>That's one of the major reasons why it'll all be over in under 24hrs. A
>moment of anger, hasty decisions made, escalation as one thing leads to
>another, then the top people drop out of sight and the flunkies just carry
>on doing what they were last told to do. Eventually they come to their
>senses and stop, especially if the Metroplex Guard and ZO Court tell them
>to. It just takes a little time for the orders to go through the channels.
>

Never mind the Corporate Council, it's the Corporate Court that would take
exception to this - even for 24 hours. One of the main reasons the big 8 don't
have permanent warfare between them (apart from economics) is the very real
threat
of an Omega declaration from the court against whichever megacorp starts the
fracas. That's a very nasty threat that all the corps seem to take very
seriously. From memory, all this is in Corporate Shadowfiles.


Wes
Message no. 21
From: Brion Wauters <stu502@****.COCO.CC.AZ.US>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:44:24 -0800
> I have always been under the
> assumption that Desert Wars used non-lethal ammo, since blowing up
> equipment gets rather expensive in short order).

Actually, Desert Wars are fought in two forms, non-lethal &
highly-lethal. Check "Fields of Fire" for a brief over-view.

Brion
Message no. 22
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 18:30:54 +1300
>Then you've got the regular Army at Fort Lewis, air power at McChord,
>and Navy and Marines from the Pacific Fleet base at Everett, who would
>weigh in if any uniformed forces started shooting at the Guard with any
>serious effectiveness.

It won't come to that. When the guard comes out to play, the corp forces
are going to come to their senses and back off.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 23
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:14:48 +1300
> Never mind the Corporate Council, it's the Corporate Court that would take
>exception to this - even for 24 hours. One of the main reasons the big 8
>don't
>have permanent warfare between them (apart from economics) is the very real
>threat
>of an Omega declaration from the court against whichever megacorp starts the
>fracas. That's a very nasty threat that all the corps seem to take very
>seriously. From memory, all this is in Corporate Shadowfiles.

Yes, of course there'll be repercussions... large sums in compensation, the
responsible parties in management being executed... umm, I mean commiting
suicide in shame, etc. But you're missing the point that the people who
start it are not thinking, they're making hasty decisions in anger, and
losing control slightly thereafter. Everyone comes to their senses
eventually, but plenty of damage will have been done by then (nothing that
deserves an Omega order though, it's only Seattle).

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 24
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:00:57 -0600
At 10:14 AM 3/12/97 +1300, Jaimie Nicholson wrote:
>it's only Seattle).
>
Yeah, it's only one of the major hubs of the Pacific Rim. It's not like
anything really happens there, or that the big 8 don't all have corporate
hq's there or some kind of interest.

These _are_ two of the big 8's you want to mess with, and the big 8's
aren't big because they're management is stupid. And you don't get to be
the kind of exec who can move armies because your hotheaded enough to fly
off the handle and make what you _know_ to be career ending mistakes. It
just doesn't happen.

Your plot, IMO, just doesn't work. It's too world changing and too
noticeable. If you look at some of the other major plots that have
happened, if they deal with something major, it's not something that the
public notices. Brian Angliss's plot dealing with Maxim was big, but it
happened in Phenom Phen, Cambodia (hopefully I spelled all that correctly).
Dark Avengers plot deals with big, bad bugs and higher ups in gov't
agencies. But it's all done in secret and hushed up. No one notices. Not
even most Shadowrunners. You want to start a war in a major city in 2058
North America.

Speaking of Maxim, hasn't it been about a year since that happened?


Mike Broadwater

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them much myself.
They're pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings."
Message no. 25
From: Brian Angliss <angliss@*****.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:54:18 -0700
>Speaking of Maxim, hasn't it been about a year since that happened?

About that. Maxim's been rather quiet of late, rebuilding facilities and
intelligence gathering capacity to pre-Cambodia levels. I intentionally
kept Maxim quiet for a while in order to cool them down some.

And I've certain specific re-activation criteria as well, none of which
have yet occurred(the most important of which is having the time to do
another Maxim plot).

Brian
Message no. 26
From: Jaimie Nicholson <jaimie.nicholson@********.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: State of emergency
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:42:37 +1300
>These _are_ two of the big 8's you want to mess with, and the big 8's
>aren't big because they're management is stupid. And you don't get to be
>the kind of exec who can move armies because your hotheaded enough to fly
>off the handle and make what you _know_ to be career ending mistakes. It
>just doesn't happen.

Good point, but... One of the commanding types (the initiator) is
emotionally unstable, his son was killed recently. The other is
comparatively inexperienced in black ops command, she got her job by
political skill. They'll have other reasons for what they do as well, such
as the initiator being unsure whether the little corp he is crushing is in
fact connected to the big one, and whether the big one'll come out to
defend it.

>Your plot, IMO, just doesn't work. It's too world changing and too
>noticeable.

Some violence would be noticed, yes, but since they are fighting through
gangers and runnners, it could easily look like run-of-the-mill unexciting
riots. I'll even throw in a reason for rioting to explain it.

>If you look at some of the other major plots that have
>happened, if they deal with something major, it's not something that the
>public notices. Brian Angliss's plot dealing with Maxim was big, but it
>happened in Phenom Phen, Cambodia (hopefully I spelled all that correctly).
> Dark Avengers plot deals with big, bad bugs and higher ups in gov't
>agencies. But it's all done in secret and hushed up. No one notices. Not
>even most Shadowrunners. You want to start a war in a major city in 2058
>North America.

Not a war, I just called it corporate war as a convenient label. It's more
like a minor fracas.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON

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