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Message no. 1
From: Nightblade <wgreason@*****.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: technical question
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:56:04 -0400 (EDT)
In Grim II and Awakenings they talk about skills and powers of free spirits,
Sorcery being a required power. My question regards Conjuring ... could
a free spirit learn how to conjure other spirits? If so, would they conjure
hermetically or shamanically?

peace
Dave
Message no. 2
From: justinf@****.caltech.edu (Justin Fang)
Subject: Re: technical question
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:02:33 -0700 (PDT)
Nightblade wrote:

>In Grim II and Awakenings they talk about skills and powers of free spirits,
>Sorcery being a required power.

It's not. You can have a free spirit without sorcery.

>My question regards Conjuring ... could a free spirit learn how to conjure
>other spirits?

I would say no. There's nothing I'm aware of that even suggests they could.

>If so, would they conjure hermetically or shamanically?

Neither. Why should a free spirit be restricted by (meta)human patterns of
thought?

--
Justin Fang (justinf@****.caltech.edu)
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Message no. 3
From: justinf@****.caltech.edu (Justin Fang)
Subject: Re: technical question
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:06:50 -0700 (PDT)
I wrote:

>Nightblade wrote:

>>My question regards Conjuring ... could a free spirit learn how to conjure
>>other spirits?

>I would say no. There's nothing I'm aware of that even suggests they could.

>>If so, would they conjure hermetically or shamanically?

>Neither. Why should a free spirit be restricted by (meta)human patterns of
>thought?

Another thought: but there's nothing preventing a free spirit from popping over
to the appropriate metaplane, hunting down a spirit, and then cajoling,
bribing, threatening, or forcing it to help the free spirit...

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Justin Fang (justinf@****.caltech.edu)
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Message no. 4
From: Nightblade <wgreason@*****.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: technical question
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
What I was looking for (More specifically) is: Is it written anywhere
that free spirits cannot learn to conjure?

peace
Dave
Message no. 5
From: justinf@****.caltech.edu (Justin Fang)
Subject: Re: technical question
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:43:26 -0700 (PDT)
Nightblade wrote:

>What I was looking for (More specifically) is: Is it written anywhere
>that free spirits cannot learn to conjure?

Free spirits can have the conjuring skill (for instance, a mage could spend the
karma to give an allied spirit up to the mage's conjuring skill; the ally could
later go free.) Whethere or not they can actually do anything with it is
another question. As far as I know (I don't have access to the books right now)
it doesn't say anywhere that free spirits cannot conjure other spirits.
However, you shouldn't assume that everything not expressly forbidden is
permitted. ("The rules don't *say* I can't have a base 30D pistol with 12
points of recoil comp, internal smartlink 2, burst and autofire modes, 100
round clip, base concealability 12 and weight of 2 kg.")

My personal opinion is that conjuring is for (meta)humans to summon and control
spirits, and that spirits have other methods to deal with each other.

--
Justin Fang (justinf@****.caltech.edu)
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Message no. 6
From: "Kevin Prier" <PRIER@*******.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: technical question
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:59:03 PDT
I'm pretty sure it says somewhere in Grim II very specifically that
spirits (any kind) can never summon other spirits. Ever. I'll check
it out tonight and give a page number tomorrow.

Kevin Prier, aka Basilisk
Message no. 7
From: qwerty <qwerty@******.net>
Subject: Re: technical question
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 17:02:34 -0600
Justin Fang wrote:
>
> Nightblade wrote:
>
> >What I was looking for (More specifically) is: Is it written anywhere
> >that free spirits cannot learn to conjure?
>
> Free spirits can have the conjuring skill (for instance, a mage could spend the
> karma to give an allied spirit up to the mage's conjuring skill; the ally could
> later go free.) Whethere or not they can actually do anything with it is
> another question. As far as I know (I don't have access to the books right now)
> it doesn't say anywhere that free spirits cannot conjure other spirits.
> However, you shouldn't assume that everything not expressly forbidden is
> permitted. ("The rules don't *say* I can't have a base 30D pistol with 12
> points of recoil comp, internal smartlink 2, burst and autofire modes, 100
> round clip, base concealability 12 and weight of 2 kg.")
>
> My personal opinion is that conjuring is for (meta)humans to summon and control
> spirits, and that spirits have other methods to deal with each other.
>
> --
> Justin Fang (justinf@****.caltech.edu)
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what about insect spirits? the mantid for example, a famale mantid
spirit can summon male sirits sometimes causing conflict with the
shaman over who realy has control.
Message no. 8
From: justinf@****.caltech.edu (Justin Fang)
Subject: Re: technical question
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
qwerty wrote:
>Justin Fang wrote:

>> My personal opinion is that conjuring is for (meta)humans to summon and
>> control spirits, and that spirits have other methods to deal with each
>> other.

>what about insect spirits? the mantid for example, a famale mantid
>spirit can summon male sirits sometimes causing conflict with the
>shaman over who realy has control.

But that's not the standard-issue sort of conjuring used by mages, is it?
Which was what I was saying in the above paragraph.

--
Justin Fang (justinf@****.caltech.edu)
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Message no. 9
From: jaimie.nicholson@********.otago.ac.nz (Jaimie Nicholson)
Subject: Re: technical question
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:56:11 +1200 (NZST)
Nightblade:

>If so, would they conjure hermetically or shamanically?

IMHO they'd get the same thing as they were before going free... fire
elementals would summon other fire elementals, etc (former ally spirits
would have allies of their own... hmm...).

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD
JAIMIE NICHOLSON

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