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Message no. 1
From: Michael Loll <lolllee@*****.com>
Subject: The Damned Watcher thingy
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 07:22:18 -0400 (EDT)
Ok...as far as my 0.02$ goes...I'de have to say ditch the watcher internal.
ShadowLand is a board, there are some things that go on that can't be
transcribed onto data. Then again I guess the idea of a watcher decking
just scares me anyways.

How about if you wish to have a watcher tell someone something just send an
e-mail message, not an e-mail over the list, a private message telling them
about it.

<shrug>

Mike Loll.

P.S. I don't think Blademaster could change his TD Stamp. Any topic I
missed :)

Laterz.

Mike Loll <lolllee@*****.com>

"What is the Way of the Warrior?"
"The Way of the Warrior is Death!"
-- Ancient 17th Century Japanese Proverb
Message no. 2
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Damned Watcher thingy
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:07:39 -0600 (MDT)
Ok, this debate has gone on long enough, so here's why watchers can NEVER
post to the net.

Page 74, Grimoire 2, first column, first paragraph: "Watchers exist
SOLELY on the ETHERIC plane in astral space. They can never leave the
etheric plane, either to MANIFEST PHYSICALLY in the material world or to
ascend to a metaplane."(All emphasis is added by me)

Tell me, just how the hell can a being that can never manifest physically
interact with the Matrix? They can make themselves visible and speak in
the physical plane, but "...they cannot touch material things or affect
the physical plane directly."(same page, paragraph 2, column 1)

So have the watcher interact with a person and have the person tell the
list. That's the only way a watcher can have any contact with the list.

Period.

Brian

(Sorry if I seem a bit snotty about this. If anyone's nose got out of
whack because of it, too damn bad.)
Message no. 3
From: Michael Chartrand <jinx@*******.ca>
Subject: Re: The Damned Watcher thingy
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 23:19:55 -0400
ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD wrote:
>
> Ok, this debate has gone on long enough, so here's why watchers can NEVER
> post to the net.
>
> Page 74, Grimoire 2, first column, first paragraph: "Watchers exist
> SOLELY on the ETHERIC plane in astral space. They can never leave the
> etheric plane, either to MANIFEST PHYSICALLY in the material world or to
> ascend to a metaplane."(All emphasis is added by me)
>
> Tell me, just how the hell can a being that can never manifest physically
> interact with the Matrix? They can make themselves visible and speak in
> the physical plane, but "...they cannot touch material things or affect
> the physical plane directly."(same page, paragraph 2, column 1)
>
> So have the watcher interact with a person and have the person tell the
> list. That's the only way a watcher can have any contact with the list.
>
> Period.
>
> Brian
>
> (Sorry if I seem a bit snotty about this. If anyone's nose got out of
> whack because of it, too damn bad.)


I agree. Just whos' whatcher is this anyway? Wow am I out of it or
what?!

Michael
Message no. 4
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: The Damned Watcher thingy
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 96 14:28:18 EDT
ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD writes:
> Tell me, just how the hell can a being that can never manifest physically
> interact with the Matrix? They can make themselves visible and speak in
> the physical plane, but "...they cannot touch material things or affect
> the physical plane directly."(same page, paragraph 2, column 1)

Don't they manifest physically in a couple of the srun novels? (Burning
Bright?)


Evan Hughes | Webmaster
Honours Computer Science | Carleton Computer Science Society
http://chat.carleton.ca/~ehughes | http://omega.scs.carleton.ca/~ccss
.. code code code eat code code code code code sleep code code code code ..
Message no. 5
From: jaimie.nicholson@********.otago.ac.nz (Jaimie Nicholson)
Subject: Re: The Damned Watcher thingy
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:51:29 -0300
With regards to watchers, Evan Hughes said:

>Don't they manifest physically in a couple of the srun novels? (Burning
>Bright?)

No, they were able to be seen physically, but not effect the physical
world. I presume you're talking about when they were fighting with insect
spirits during the raid on the bus-gathering centre-thingy-place (where the
nuke went off). That was attacking spirits though, so they could have been
doing that on the astral.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD...
JAIMIE NICHOLSON
Message no. 6
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: The Damned Watcher thingy
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 96 22:06:05 EDT
Jaimie Nicholson writes:
> No, they were able to be seen physically, but not effect the physical
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*grin* My lack of sourcebook strikes again. I thought manifestation
meant being able to be seen physically...


Evan Hughes | Webmaster
Honours Computer Science | Carleton Computer Science Society
http://chat.carleton.ca/~ehughes | http://omega.scs.carleton.ca/~ccss
.. code code code eat code code code code code sleep code code code code ..
Message no. 7
From: winter@******.med.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: The Damned Watcher thingy
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:15:24 -0400
Yes, the apple is red.


But the fire-engine is not a fruit.


-winter
Message no. 8
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.com>
Subject: Re: The Damned Watcher thingy
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:40:06 PDT
>Jaimie Nicholson writes:
>> No, they were able to be seen physically, but not effect the physical
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> *grin* My lack of sourcebook strikes again. I thought manifestation
>meant being able to be seen physically...

AND physically affect things. Which watcher cannot do. Whitch I
presume you have already discovered. Another sentence fragment.

"It's really quite simple. With the revised mainframe pricing policy,
you'll be charged one-quarter of the previous price per CPU based on a
3-tiered site licensing agreement for up to 12 users, after which a
5-tiered system is employed for up to 64 users within the original
4-tiered system for new customers using old software or old customers
using new software on each of three CPUs running a new old operating
systems site licensed under the old new agreement but only on Thursdays
with less than 10 people in the room ..."
-5th Wave
Message no. 9
From: jaimie.nicholson@********.otago.ac.nz (Jaimie Nicholson)
Subject: Re: The Damned Watcher thingy
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:48:58 -0300
>Yes, the apple is red.
>
>But the fire-engine is not a fruit.

And I have been known to cluck, but I am not a chicken.

I presume you mean that as an apple hits you less hard than a fire engine,
so must watcher hit you less hard than something that is the same colour as
a watcher but bigger and heavier. I _think_ I tried to say just that.

PLAYTHING OF A CRUEL GOD...
JAIMIE NICHOLSON

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