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Message no. 1
From: James Dening james@************.force9.co.uk
Subject: Time-date stamp
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:54:46 +0100
I've just posted a message entitled Restaurant, a reply from DaveDaDrive
to Zenox - could one of the listmons change the time/date stamp before
it gets to TK-LOG....lazy cut-n-pasting on my behalf....

So, what's happening to Jett at the moment....????

J.
Message no. 2
From: Logan Graves logan1@*****.intercom.net
Subject: Time-date stamp
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:29:45 -0400
In our last episode, James Dening wrote:
>
> So, what's happening to Jett at the moment....????

Jett ("our Jett") hasn't returned home from GenCon, at the time of this
posting. The Jett-napping storyline's mostly her show at the moment.

--Logan
______________________________________________________logan1@*****.intercom.net
(>) Is it in the "mysterious employer credo" that
these little rendezvous always have to be in exotic
locales? I mean, just _once_ wouldn't you like to
sit down at a Denny's and plan an assassination over
a "French Slam" breakfast?
(>) Deadpool, merc-with-a-mouth
Message no. 3
From: Jett zmjett@*********.com
Subject: Time-date stamp
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:35:27 -0400
Logan Graves wrote:

> In our last episode, James Dening wrote:
> >
> > So, what's happening to Jett at the moment....????
>
> Jett ("our Jett") hasn't returned home from GenCon, at the time of this
> posting. The Jett-napping storyline's mostly her show at the moment.

Yep, it's mostly my show, however I have been wrecked on quite a few levels
recently so I haven't been up to writing too much. I should have a couple of
updates going on pretty soon. Jett is still a captive, of course, and there's been
no new developments...to be honest, I am sort of considering extending/pausing the
storyline a bit to have it wrap up around Halloween, which I think would make a
nice dramatic finish. Sorry to those I've left dangling in the wind recently, but
as Fenris says, I've been out of town for a while as well, and with going back to
school and all that...

--Jett
<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>

The new improved Shadowrun page: Shadow's Edge.
http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow/

Jett's Elfwood page
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/zone47/artists/jesgrota/jesgrota.html


"This is the worst place in the world. You shouldn't have come here. You'll die
here."
"Stay in the best place in the world, darling, and you'll die there, too."
-Lord Fanny, to Quimper, The Invisibles
Message no. 4
From: James Dening james@************.force9.co.uk
Subject: Time-date stamp
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:54:46 +0100
I've just posted a message entitled Restaurant, a reply from DaveDaDrive
to Zenox - could one of the listmons change the time/date stamp before
it gets to TK-LOG....lazy cut-n-pasting on my behalf....

So, what's happening to Jett at the moment....????

J.
Message no. 5
From: Logan Graves logan1@*****.intercom.net
Subject: Time-date stamp
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:29:45 -0400
In our last episode, James Dening wrote:
>
> So, what's happening to Jett at the moment....????

Jett ("our Jett") hasn't returned home from GenCon, at the time of this
posting. The Jett-napping storyline's mostly her show at the moment.

--Logan
______________________________________________________logan1@*****.intercom.net
(>) Is it in the "mysterious employer credo" that
these little rendezvous always have to be in exotic
locales? I mean, just _once_ wouldn't you like to
sit down at a Denny's and plan an assassination over
a "French Slam" breakfast?
(>) Deadpool, merc-with-a-mouth
Message no. 6
From: Jett zmjett@*********.com
Subject: Time-date stamp
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:35:27 -0400
Logan Graves wrote:

> In our last episode, James Dening wrote:
> >
> > So, what's happening to Jett at the moment....????
>
> Jett ("our Jett") hasn't returned home from GenCon, at the time of this
> posting. The Jett-napping storyline's mostly her show at the moment.

Yep, it's mostly my show, however I have been wrecked on quite a few levels
recently so I haven't been up to writing too much. I should have a couple of
updates going on pretty soon. Jett is still a captive, of course, and there's been
no new developments...to be honest, I am sort of considering extending/pausing the
storyline a bit to have it wrap up around Halloween, which I think would make a
nice dramatic finish. Sorry to those I've left dangling in the wind recently, but
as Fenris says, I've been out of town for a while as well, and with going back to
school and all that...

--Jett
<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>

The new improved Shadowrun page: Shadow's Edge.
http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow/

Jett's Elfwood page
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/zone47/artists/jesgrota/jesgrota.html


"This is the worst place in the world. You shouldn't have come here. You'll die
here."
"Stay in the best place in the world, darling, and you'll die there, too."
-Lord Fanny, to Quimper, The Invisibles
Message no. 7
From: "Randy Nickel (General)" <a-randyn@*********.com>
Subject: Time/Date stamp
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:30:38 -0700
I don't know if we actually came to an agreement on that one
or not.. what was the general consensus?

I am of the mind that it is not quite as difficult as most believe. I also
do not see where it matters a whole lot. Since the point of this is to have
fun let's just continue to have fun.

- Otter
Message no. 8
From: Brad Shantz <BRADS@*********.com>
Subject: RE: Time/Date stamp
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:44:24 -0700
I agree to a point, that this is to have fun. But, for the purposes of
logging, it is easier to work into the logs that post X came at
<11:33:17/5-30-57> than at <BUGGERSMUST/DIE>

Brad Shantz (lurker extraordinaire)

>----------
>From: Randy Nickel (General)[SMTP:a-randyn@*********.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 30, 1996 10:30 AM
>To: 'plotd@********.itribe.net'; 'Mark A. Imbriaco'
>Subject: Time/Date stamp
>
>
>I am of the mind that it is not quite as difficult as most believe. I
>also
>do not see where it matters a whole lot. Since the point of this is to
>have
>fun let's just continue to have fun.
>
>- Otter
>
>
Message no. 9
From: Brian Rogers <rogers@****.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Time/Date stamp
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:10:50 -0500
The point is to, WITH IN THE LAID DOWN GUIDELINES, have fun.

Life is strange in that even the most "lawless" groups will have
their own laws which people will either follow or be ex-communicated from
the lawless group.

I see ShadowLand being pretty much that way. Yeah, most of us are
doing illegal things, but we usually follow the rules set down by the deckers
that are kind enough to run the service for us [In this case, the editors
who have to go back and format things in a way that makes reading the logs
useful].

> I am of the mind that it is not quite as difficult as most believe. I also
> do not see where it matters a whole lot. Since the point of this is to have
> fun let's just continue to have fun.
>
> - Otter
>
Message no. 10
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Time/Date stamp
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:40:01 -0500
>I am of the mind that it is not quite as difficult as most believe. I also
>do not see where it matters a whole lot. Since the point of this is to have
>fun let's just continue to have fun.
>
>- Otter

Read "shadowtech". Check some of the coversations between the doctor on
there and the smiling bandit. There's mention by the doc about bandit's t/d
stamp, and how she thought it was impossible to change it, that you only got
garbage. How many times do you see it in the books? Often? No. Does
Captain Chaos change his? Not that I've seen, and he's a sysop on the board.

(pardon me while I use some colorful vernacular)
No fucking mage is going to be able to deck shadowland and change his t/d
stamp, something that, as the shadowtalk in the books go, is extrodanarilly
difficult to do. I don't mind if a decker changes his, if the rest of the
lists agrees that he would be of high enough caliber to do it. Otherwise,
leave it alone. It serves a purpose, logging.

I will agree, the purpose of this is to have fun. But, when someone goes
outside the bounds of believability, they lessen the fun for other people.
Look at Jen and Gabe. These are characters who say they are
deckers/sams/mages and ungodly good at all three. Well, without cheating,
thats not possible. However, this never has an effect on the list other
than peole tellig them to shut up because Jen and Gabe never do anything on
the list that trys to show for a fact that they can do all this. Thats why,
other than bitching that they're annoying, no one really complains. When a
mage says "haha, screw all you deckers, I'm going to change my t/d because
I'm typing it in!" and we know that a mage can't deck well (add your magic
to every target number (it's in vr) while decking) then it lowers the
believability of the list. Thats also one of the reasons that the list uses
canon information or info that is agreed won't ruin anything.

The t/d is a small thing, but grows to be very annoying very quickly.
Eventually, everyone will just disregard it and post whatever they want, and
that lowers the veracity of the entire thing, that ruins it for me, at
least, if not others.

Hell, Blade wouldn't even be on here if he didn't have a friend who was a
decker who could set up a cold relay for him.

Mike Broadwater
"An object at rest cannot be stopped! Yeah, baby, yeah!" - The Evil
Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
Message no. 11
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Time/Date stamp
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:19:23 +0100
In message <199605301934.PAA24019@*****.itribe.net>, Mike Broadwater
<mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com> writes
>I will agree, the purpose of this is to have fun. But, when someone goes
>outside the bounds of believability, they lessen the fun for other people.
>Look at Jen and Gabe. These are characters who say they are
>deckers/sams/mages and ungodly good at all three. Well, without cheating,
>thats not possible. However, this never has an effect on the list other
>than peole tellig them to shut up because Jen and Gabe never do anything on
>the list that trys to show for a fact that they can do all this.

And just got grabbed by... someone :) Nicely done by Evan, not that it
seems to have dampened their enthusiasm for their own abilities much.

>Thats why,
>other than bitching that they're annoying, no one really complains. When a
>mage says "haha, screw all you deckers, I'm going to change my t/d because
>I'm typing it in!" and we know that a mage can't deck well (add your magic
>to every target number (it's in vr) while decking) then it lowers the
>believability of the list.

Have to agree a little there. None of my characters have the means,
themselves, to mess with a t/d stamp: Quinn would love to, but as a
coyote shaman who gets a headache even using a terminal let alone a deck
she has no way to do so. It is something that only characters of serious
matrix ability - dedicated deckers - should do. The two Agency types
might find the means, but you're going to divert resources for *that*?
Not a hope.

>Hell, Blade wouldn't even be on here if he didn't have a friend who was a
>decker who could set up a cold relay for him.

Lessee... Lilith and Lynch get access via the Agency. Quinn pays bribes
to a couple of near-otaku at the University who get her an account.
Easy, I have to admit I don't know how she makes it to Shadowland, but
her ShadowTK incarnation is still maturing: she may have a friend she
doesn't know about... and that gives me ideas.


--
"There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy."
Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 12
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Time/Date stamp
Date: Thu, 30 May 96 22:19:54 EDT
Mike Broadwater writes:
> Look at Jen and Gabe. These are characters who say they are
> deckers/sams/mages and ungodly good at all three. Well, without cheating,
> thats not possible. However, this never has an effect on the list other
> than peole tellig them to shut up because Jen and Gabe never do anything on
> the list that trys to show for a fact that they can do all this. Thats why,

*phew* I was afraid I was going to have to start defending them again... =)


Evan Hughes | Webmaster
Honours Computer Science | Carleton Computer Science Society
http://chat.carleton.ca/~ehughes | http://omega.scs.carleton.ca/~ccss
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Message no. 13
From: Michael Loll <lolllee@*****.com>
Subject: Time Date Stamp
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:48:10 -0400 (EDT)
I'd have to agree with Mike Broadwater on this one. If everyone could just
go and change their T/D Stamp then all the stuff in the books would be
changed also. But you don't see that. Also, if the sysop knew that
everyone could change it, why would he even have the stamp? Why not let
everyone else decide if your Decker, or sammie, or mage, or whatever can
change the T/D Stamp? If everyone else can deck as well as a "pure" decker
can, why be a decker when you could be a mage or something BUT also deck as
well?

Just my $.02

Mike Loll.

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